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    Quote Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel View Post
    Solid start to the season. Although, not many potential hiccups normally, during the first couple of weeks, the difficulty level will rev up to another gear come on Thursday.
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    Associations is infuriating. We did win 1st, and ended the weekend at 1550 points which is very good. My games were 2-2 and 7-1 in the semi's (more on this later). 2-0 and 1-1 in the finals. Nordeus have buffed correct tactics in the game engine, so players with mutants or a big quality advantage are losing more often. I doubt many care about mutants struggling, that's probably a welcome change. However, a 125% scout buyer shouldn't be having a bunch of trouble with a 90% free player, and if this is nordeus solution to fixing the mutant problem, they risk alienating the scout buyers. That said, if a manager knows how to setup correctly tactical, they should still do very well. Associations is largely frustrating because most associations have to have a pretty good idea about tactics to reach and perform well in the platinum division, so getting the tactics correct against them is difficult. If skills/quality matter significantly less, it'll frequently be a dogfight, unless playing against Morons with Mutants.

    The semi-final was irritating because I was a 24% favorite against an opponent with 14 players. I have several players that are well-trained (key stats above 200%, with a few above 300%). This was especially true for my AML, AMR and ST. But opponent was playing a 5-3w-2 normal or attack/flanks/long/off/high. I expected a defense + counters approach with that tactic, as a 24% underdog. But it didn't happen, and I found myself down 0-1 @ 60' when I finally worked out the bulk of the opposing managers settings. I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea the opponent had counter-attacks OFF in this situation. Rallied to take 2-1 lead, before leaking equalizer at 89'. Still shouldn't have struggled so much w/ incorrect tactics considering the quality advantage.
    Agree very little seems to matter this season. Quality or tactics wise. More random than ever. So in nerfing mutants they are pretty much killing all active players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebu View Post
    Have you considered that your players may have been low in morale?
    Everyone had full morale. Just one of these games where not much anything could've helped, though maybe I should've started playing defensive after 2-1. Didn't think I needed to because of the man advantage. The red card and penalty probably saved me from a certain loss.

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    Disappointing league game today again. Me 1st vs 13th placed team in the league. Sometimes I don't understand the game. Everyone on full morale and full condition, 23% better team with skilled players vs not trained players. Anyone sees why I loose this game except "it was a lucky game for our rivals"?
    He wasn't even watching the game again. There was nothing I could do, I changed tactics everything after going down 1-3...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel View Post
    Solid start to the season. Although, not many potential hiccups normally, during the first couple of weeks, the difficulty level will rev up to another gear come on Thursday.
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    Associations is infuriating. We did win 1st, and ended the weekend at 1550 points which is very good. My games were 2-2 and 7-1 in the semi's (more on this later). 2-0 and 1-1 in the finals. Nordeus have buffed correct tactics in the game engine, so players with mutants or a big quality advantage are losing more often. I doubt many care about mutants struggling, that's probably a welcome change. However, a 125% scout buyer shouldn't be having a bunch of trouble with a 90% free player, and if this is nordeus solution to fixing the mutant problem, they risk alienating the scout buyers. That said, if a manager knows how to setup correctly tactical, they should still do very well. Associations is largely frustrating because most associations have to have a pretty good idea about tactics to reach and perform well in the platinum division, so getting the tactics correct against them is difficult. If skills/quality matter significantly less, it'll frequently be a dogfight, unless playing against Morons with Mutants.

    The semi-final was irritating because I was a 24% favorite against an opponent with 14 players. I have several players that are well-trained (key stats above 200%, with a few above 300%). This was especially true for my AML, AMR and ST. But opponent was playing a 5-3w-2 normal or attack/flanks/long/off/high. I expected a defense + counters approach with that tactic, as a 24% underdog. But it didn't happen, and I found myself down 0-1 @ 60' when I finally worked out the bulk of the opposing managers settings. I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea the opponent had counter-attacks OFF in this situation. Rallied to take 2-1 lead, before leaking equalizer at 89'. Still shouldn't have struggled so much w/ incorrect tactics considering the quality advantage.
    Please what do you mean by mutants.

    On the other hand Nordeous seems to rank tactics high above quality

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    Please what do you mean by mutants.
    an interesting way of exploring the forum (so the game too), is to use the advanced search.
    It's in the upper right corner of the forum page.
    There, you put as key word
    "mutant" and it will give some threads with this word.
    Read them .
    The more, the better picture you 'll have about this case (and note only this).
    If you get the general idea, then you can make specific questions for some details you missed in the relative thread or post.
    That's a personal and friendly advice if you want to take advantage of the knowledge and experience of the forum members and go deeper in the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebu View Post
    Please what do you mean by mutants.

    On the other hand Nordeous seems to rank tactics high above quality

    Mutants are players with abnormally high white skills and abnormally low gray skills.
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    As for tactics, it's complicated. Basically, nordeus did something stupid that someone in a computer science/programming 101 course could potentially pickup on. Probably a better conversation for private message though since I don't want to risk future opponents reading the forum to learn my tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    an interesting way of exploring the forum (so the game too), is to use the advanced search.
    It's in the upper right corner of the forum page.
    There, you put as key word
    "mutant" and it will give some threads with this word.
    Read them .
    The more, the better picture you 'll have about this case (and note only this).
    If you get the general idea, then you can make specific questions for some details you missed in the relative thread or post.
    That's a personal and friendly advice if you want to take advantage of the knowledge and experience of the forum members and go deeper in the game
    I have searched and couldn't find anything congent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel View Post
    Mutants are players with abnormally high white skills and abnormally low gray skills.
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    As for tactics, it's complicated. Basically, nordeus did something stupid that someone in a computer science/programming 101 course could potentially pickup on. Probably a better conversation for private message though since I don't want to risk future opponents reading the forum to learn my tactics.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebu View Post
    I have searched and couldn't find anything congent.
    as I said, if you want to deeper, read
    and this is the most important thread of the forum (ok, I mean the contents, the other threads included there)
    https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...-2017-a-2.html

    So Khris added that there
    https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...abilities.html

    and this is an older one
    https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...ordeus%5D.html
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    Some of my defenders are randomly having a massive season. My non-set piece taker DR is 4th in League avg ratings while all the others are attacking set piece specialists like every season. Also a DC/DL who hasn't even played that much, 14 games in all competitions, has been MOM in 5 of them.

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