Season 108 - Are you ready?

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

I just find you can go on a long unbeaten run where the algorithm eventually increases the probability of a loss to 100%. Lose game before a cup final and that probability is much much lower.

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Yeah, I totally get your point.

Can anyone explain why in the CL only 5 teams out of 32 (including mine) are at level 25 and the others are at level 26? This is totally insane.

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Originally Posted by theclubber

Can anyone explain why in the CL only 5 teams out of 32 (including mine) are at level 25 and the others are at level 26? This is totally insane.

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Because when you get too good or spend money nordeus decide to make your life harder. They call it match making or challenge. But basically they hope to push you to spend more money or watch more videos to keep up with those +1 teams. Nuts.

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

Because when you get too good or spend money nordeus decide to make your life harder. They call it match making or challenge. But basically they hope to push you to spend more money or watch more videos to keep up with those +1 teams. Nuts.

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This keeps me from spending and is honestly one of the worst things about the game in my opinion. :D

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

Because when you get too good or spend money nordeus decide to make your life harder. They call it match making or challenge. But basically they hope to push you to spend more money or watch more videos to keep up with those +1 teams. Nuts.

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I've ended up in the super league for the 1st time, nearly every team in it is a level higher, luckily they're mainly ****, but the 1 good team is the 1 I am drawn with in the 1st knockout game, it's almost like a 2 legged final lol

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Originally Posted by Reece p FC

I've ended up in the super league for the 1st time, nearly every team in it is a level higher, luckily they're mainly ****, but the 1 good team is the 1 I am drawn with in the 1st knockout game, it's almost like a 2 legged final lol

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The same thing happened to me last season (or two seasons ago), it’s frustrating because that team surely wins the cup!

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

Because when you get too good or spend money nordeus decide to make your life harder. They call it match making or challenge. But basically they hope to push you to spend more money or watch more videos to keep up with those +1 teams. Nuts.

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True talk

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

This keeps me from spending and is honestly one of the worst things about the game in my opinion. :D

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It could also be for lack of active players in your level.
And surely it discourages one from investing more into their club. Because as costly as the Tokens are, they seam to be effective per the season of investment.

Absolutly true all comments. The worse (and are a lot) thing in the game. At the end of season I'm very frustated about lose with +1 level again and again. It doesn't matter if I dominate the game, the rival score so easy.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

It could also be for lack of active players in your level.
And surely it discourages one from investing more into their club. Because as costly as the Tokens are, they seam to be effective per the season of investment.

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Come to think of it, real players like Christiano Ronaldo, Messi, Modric, Neuer... they did not drop in quality in the past 4 - 5 years.
So I think Nordeous should also make some players to gain stars instead of loosing. Not all players though, because it is a fact that some players just get better or stay excellent even up till retirement. Take Zlatan Ibrahimovich for example.
This option will be a sure way to reward Token buyers.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

Come to think of it, real players like Christiano Ronaldo, Messi, Modric, Neuer... they did not drop in quality in the past 4 - 5 years.
So I think Nordeous should also make some players to gain stars instead of loosing. Not all players though, because it is a fact that some players just get better or stay excellent even up till retirement. Take Zlatan Ibrahimovich for example.
This option will be a sure way to reward Token buyers.

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I think the game will look more real when some players stay excellent and some loose 2*, and another gains a star, even after a level up. It will keep managers on their toes, speculating to sell or not to sell, will he get better or not.

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Originally Posted by Shirotsugg

Absolutly true all comments. The worse (and are a lot) thing in the game. At the end of season I'm very frustated about lose with +1 level again and again. It doesn't matter if I dominate the game, the rival score so easy.

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Depending on the goal margin, I think you can tell if they won because of higher quality, or better formation and managerial instructions.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

Depending on the goal margin, I think you can tell if they won because of higher quality, or better formation and managerial instructions.

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From what I have seen so far, managerial errors reflects in goal margins 2 to 3 goals. In other words, if someone beats you with 4 goals margin its not just because of higer quality, for formation and orders my be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

From what I have seen so far, managerial errors reflects in goal margins 2 to 3 goals. In other words, if someone beats you with 4 goals margin its not just because of higer quality, for formation and orders my be wrong.

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Love how you have a conversation with yourself lol [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Shirotsugg

Absolutly true all comments. The worse (and are a lot) thing in the game. At the end of season I'm very frustated about lose with +1 level again and again. It doesn't matter if I dominate the game, the rival score so easy.

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I've had a lot of past success v +1. Many times they are not so active or good managers. If they were to become more active or they have manipulated draw I'd be screwed due to them having access to stronger auctions, recommended players and better training speed. Would be hard to keep up then.

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

Love how you have a conversation with yourself lol [emoji23]

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No dull moments with me-self ;););)

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Originally Posted by Nebu

I think the game will look more real when some players stay excellent and some loose 2*, and another gains a star, even after a level up. It will keep managers on their toes, speculating to sell or not to sell, will he get better or not.

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it is working like this.
It's about fast trainers , who can gain 1* per season so you can keep them for some extra years (and here is the challenge to find them and train them) and the slow trainers.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

it is working like this.
It's about fast trainers , who can gain 1* per season so you can keep them for some extra years (and here is the challenge to find them and train them) and the slow trainers.

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Yes, speaking of fast trainers: do you think this guy is a fast learner:
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In my market I have seen some young lads 5* going for $3m - $4m. I figured those are the fast guys. And this fellow from my Assistant looks cheap.

13 Matches, 13 Wins, 1 Goal Against.

Ookay...

yes @Nebu , he is a fast trainer but you know, we have two recommendations
1) the weekly
2) the assistance's for a match.
In this case (like yours) you must pay also the money besides the tokens and you 're sort of it in that lv.
if it was like the 1st case, I would recommend to buy him.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

it is working like this.
It's about fast trainers , who can gain 1* per season so you can keep them for some extra years (and here is the challenge to find them and train them) and the slow trainers.

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what happen after they reach age of 22 above? Can they still gain 1* per season?

Are all expensive youngster fast trainer?

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Originally Posted by Aku Papua

what happen after they reach age of 22 above? Can they still gain 1* per season?

Are all expensive youngster fast trainer?

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Yes all expensive players train fast, the value of a player tells you how fast he develops. And after they are 22 they don't train fast anymore. They cant get 1* by their own at this point.
But I still keep my players beyond 22 most of the times. If they are unbalanced you can easily train them every season a bit with some rests so that they reach the star again and keep them up to 25 years old.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

yes @Nebu , he is a fast trainer but you know, we have two recommendations
1) the weekly
2) the assistance's for a match.
In this case (like yours) you must pay also the money besides the tokens and you 're sort of it in that lv.
if it was like the 1st case, I would recommend to buy him.

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Thanks Nikolgiorgos, I would love to try him. But I've already made my last purchase of the season, a 23yr old MC/AMC with crossing SA. My assistant called him a legendary playmaker. It cost me about 44T. Am yet to see him shine his worth.

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There he is. Sorry he is 21 years. Not bad stats though.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

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There he is. Sorry he is 21 years. Not bad stats though.

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Wow! I just played my league game and Pablo Alcolea just proved his worth. In this away match we were at 1-1 draw when he stepped up and scored a free kick, gave an assist, and scored 5 more free kicks. He literally turned the game around, to end a whooping 1-9.

Pablo, Pablo Pablo Pablo...hear the crowd chanting

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Originally Posted by Nebu

Wow! I just played my league game and Pablo Alcolea just proved his worth. In this away match we were at 1-1 draw when he stepped up and scored a free kick, gave an assist, and scored 5 more free kicks. He literally turned the game around, to end a whooping 1-9.

Pablo, Pablo Pablo Pablo...hear the crowd chanting

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He didn't use to be my free kick taker until he scored a free kick in my association match. So I tried him out today...

Man, I had a god awful game. Despite being the home team with a little better avQ and statistically higher possession, I counted having 4 animated attacks the whole game. It was 1-1 until my opponent got a red card in the 55th minute and I scored from a penalty. Then I continued being under pressure even more badly. Of course he eventually made it even so it ended 2-2. On the bright side my main competitor for the title lost and I extended my League lead to two points.

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Originally Posted by VFK

Man, I had a god awful game. Despite being the home team with a little better avQ and statistically higher possession, I counted having 4 animated attacks the whole game. It was 1-1 until my opponent got a red card in the 55th minute and I scored from a penalty. Then I continued being under pressure even more badly. Of course he eventually made it even so it ended 2-2. On the bright side my main competitor for the title lost and I extended my League lead to two points.

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Have you considered that your players may have been low in morale?

Wow this game really sucks right now. Drew 1 1 in league. Me 124% v 87% non present opponent. My gk injured near the end after my final sub just to add insult to injury. I was 2nd v 3rd (yes it's a weak league). League seems to ignore quality altogether.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...079550b5e6.jpg

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Solid start to the season. Although, not many potential hiccups normally, during the first couple of weeks, the difficulty level will rev up to another gear come on Thursday.
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Associations is infuriating. We did win 1st, and ended the weekend at 1550 points which is very good. My games were 2-2 and 7-1 in the semi's (more on this later). 2-0 and 1-1 in the finals. Nordeus have buffed correct tactics in the game engine, so players with mutants or a big quality advantage are losing more often. I doubt many care about mutants struggling, that's probably a welcome change. However, a 125% scout buyer shouldn't be having a bunch of trouble with a 90% free player, and if this is nordeus solution to fixing the mutant problem, they risk alienating the scout buyers. That said, if a manager knows how to setup correctly tactical, they should still do very well. Associations is largely frustrating because most associations have to have a pretty good idea about tactics to reach and perform well in the platinum division, so getting the tactics correct against them is difficult. If skills/quality matter significantly less, it'll frequently be a dogfight, unless playing against Morons with Mutants.

The semi-final was irritating because I was a 24% favorite against an opponent with 14 players. I have several players that are well-trained (key stats above 200%, with a few above 300%). This was especially true for my AML, AMR and ST. But opponent was playing a 5-3w-2 normal or attack/flanks/long/off/high. I expected a defense + counters approach with that tactic, as a 24% underdog. But it didn't happen, and I found myself down 0-1 @ 60' when I finally worked out the bulk of the opposing managers settings. I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea the opponent had counter-attacks OFF in this situation. Rallied to take 2-1 lead, before leaking equalizer at 89'. Still shouldn't have struggled so much w/ incorrect tactics considering the quality advantage.

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

Solid start to the season. Although, not many potential hiccups normally, during the first couple of weeks, the difficulty level will rev up to another gear come on Thursday.
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Associations is infuriating. We did win 1st, and ended the weekend at 1550 points which is very good. My games were 2-2 and 7-1 in the semi's (more on this later). 2-0 and 1-1 in the finals. Nordeus have buffed correct tactics in the game engine, so players with mutants or a big quality advantage are losing more often. I doubt many care about mutants struggling, that's probably a welcome change. However, a 125% scout buyer shouldn't be having a bunch of trouble with a 90% free player, and if this is nordeus solution to fixing the mutant problem, they risk alienating the scout buyers. That said, if a manager knows how to setup correctly tactical, they should still do very well. Associations is largely frustrating because most associations have to have a pretty good idea about tactics to reach and perform well in the platinum division, so getting the tactics correct against them is difficult. If skills/quality matter significantly less, it'll frequently be a dogfight, unless playing against Morons with Mutants.

The semi-final was irritating because I was a 24% favorite against an opponent with 14 players. I have several players that are well-trained (key stats above 200%, with a few above 300%). This was especially true for my AML, AMR and ST. But opponent was playing a 5-3w-2 normal or attack/flanks/long/off/high. I expected a defense + counters approach with that tactic, as a 24% underdog. But it didn't happen, and I found myself down 0-1 @ 60' when I finally worked out the bulk of the opposing managers settings. I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea the opponent had counter-attacks OFF in this situation. Rallied to take 2-1 lead, before leaking equalizer at 89'. Still shouldn't have struggled so much w/ incorrect tactics considering the quality advantage.

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Agree very little seems to matter this season. Quality or tactics wise. More random than ever. So in nerfing mutants they are pretty much killing all active players.

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Originally Posted by Nebu

Have you considered that your players may have been low in morale?

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Everyone had full morale. Just one of these games where not much anything could've helped, though maybe I should've started playing defensive after 2-1. Didn't think I needed to because of the man advantage. The red card and penalty probably saved me from a certain loss.

Disappointing league game today again. Me 1st vs 13th placed team in the league. Sometimes I don't understand the game. Everyone on full morale and full condition, 23% better team with skilled players vs not trained players. Anyone sees why I loose this game except "it was a lucky game for our rivals"?
He wasn't even watching the game again. There was nothing I could do, I changed tactics everything after going down 1-3... :(

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

Solid start to the season. Although, not many potential hiccups normally, during the first couple of weeks, the difficulty level will rev up to another gear come on Thursday.
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Associations is infuriating. We did win 1st, and ended the weekend at 1550 points which is very good. My games were 2-2 and 7-1 in the semi's (more on this later). 2-0 and 1-1 in the finals. Nordeus have buffed correct tactics in the game engine, so players with mutants or a big quality advantage are losing more often. I doubt many care about mutants struggling, that's probably a welcome change. However, a 125% scout buyer shouldn't be having a bunch of trouble with a 90% free player, and if this is nordeus solution to fixing the mutant problem, they risk alienating the scout buyers. That said, if a manager knows how to setup correctly tactical, they should still do very well. Associations is largely frustrating because most associations have to have a pretty good idea about tactics to reach and perform well in the platinum division, so getting the tactics correct against them is difficult. If skills/quality matter significantly less, it'll frequently be a dogfight, unless playing against Morons with Mutants.

The semi-final was irritating because I was a 24% favorite against an opponent with 14 players. I have several players that are well-trained (key stats above 200%, with a few above 300%). This was especially true for my AML, AMR and ST. But opponent was playing a 5-3w-2 normal or attack/flanks/long/off/high. I expected a defense + counters approach with that tactic, as a 24% underdog. But it didn't happen, and I found myself down 0-1 @ 60' when I finally worked out the bulk of the opposing managers settings. I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea the opponent had counter-attacks OFF in this situation. Rallied to take 2-1 lead, before leaking equalizer at 89'. Still shouldn't have struggled so much w/ incorrect tactics considering the quality advantage.

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Please what do you mean by mutants.

On the other hand Nordeous seems to rank tactics high above quality

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Please what do you mean by mutants.

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an interesting way of exploring the forum (so the game too), is to use the advanced search.
It's in the upper right corner of the forum page.
There, you put as key word
"mutant" and it will give some threads with this word.
Read them .
The more, the better picture you 'll have about this case (and note only this).
If you get the general idea, then you can make specific questions for some details you missed in the relative thread or post.
That's a personal and friendly advice if you want to take advantage of the knowledge and experience of the forum members and go deeper in the game ;)

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Originally Posted by Nebu

Please what do you mean by mutants.

On the other hand Nordeous seems to rank tactics high above quality

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Mutants are players with abnormally high white skills and abnormally low gray skills.
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As for tactics, it's complicated. Basically, nordeus did something stupid that someone in a computer science/programming 101 course could potentially pickup on. Probably a better conversation for private message though since I don't want to risk future opponents reading the forum to learn my tactics.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

an interesting way of exploring the forum (so the game too), is to use the advanced search.
It's in the upper right corner of the forum page.
There, you put as key word
"mutant" and it will give some threads with this word.
Read them .
The more, the better picture you 'll have about this case (and note only this).
If you get the general idea, then you can make specific questions for some details you missed in the relative thread or post.
That's a personal and friendly advice if you want to take advantage of the knowledge and experience of the forum members and go deeper in the game ;)

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I have searched and couldn't find anything congent.

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

Mutants are players with abnormally high white skills and abnormally low gray skills.
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As for tactics, it's complicated. Basically, nordeus did something stupid that someone in a computer science/programming 101 course could potentially pickup on. Probably a better conversation for private message though since I don't want to risk future opponents reading the forum to learn my tactics.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Nebu

I have searched and couldn't find anything congent.

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as I said, if you want to deeper, read
and this is the most important thread of the forum (ok, I mean the contents, the other threads included there)
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...-2017-a-2.html

So Khris added that there
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...abilities.html

and this is an older one
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...ordeus%5D.html

Some of my defenders are randomly having a massive season. My non-set piece taker DR is 4th in League avg ratings while all the others are attacking set piece specialists like every season. Also a DC/DL who hasn't even played that much, 14 games in all competitions, has been MOM in 5 of them.