Team Conceding Too Many Goals

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08-23-2018
Tactician

Team Conceding Too Many Goals

Way back, I used to be able to shut teams out, but since I came back to this game (last season), I could not do it as such, no matter what approach - deep lying, defensive styles or high pressing styles or even combinations of both and even parking the bus. Of course, I have been reinforcing the defence too by buying defenders that should be good enough, but the problem is still there.

https://s15.postimg.cc/nfgcrw2ej/image.jpg

None of those opposing managers attended, and most of those opposing teams are weaker or close to same quality (except A.E live which was a bit stronger). I think this is alarming.

Maybe someone used to the current versions of the game can help?
08-23-2018
khris

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Way back, I used to be able to shut teams out, but since I came back to this game (last season), I could not do it as such, no matter what approach - deep lying, defensive styles or high pressing styles or even combinations of both and even parking the bus. Of course, I have been reinforcing the defence too by buying defenders that should be good enough, but the problem is still there.

https://s15.postimg.cc/nfgcrw2ej/image.jpg

None of those opposing managers attended, and most of those opposing teams are weaker or close to same quality (except A.E live which was a bit stronger). I think this is alarming.

Maybe someone used to the current versions of the game can help?

Players last 5 matches ratings page?.... and well... I would ask orders to see more or less what can occur... but I guess there are some bad programmed players there that give these chances to the oppo'-...still u won 5 of the 6 so not so bad xD
08-23-2018
Yengdenss

You tried playing three at the back or man-marking/zonal style changes?. Last season I stopped the best team in the league who had best attackers playing three at the back zonal.
08-23-2018
Tactician

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Originally Posted by khris

Players last 5 matches ratings page?.... and well... I would ask orders to see more or less what can occur... but I guess there are some bad programmed players there that give these chances to the oppo'-...still u won 5 of the 6 so not so bad xD

I know about such bad players but this should not be case for most if not all players I have now as best 11+7.

Last season, it was clearly evident that something was wrong because my team was still conceding goals against weak, inactive opponents, against 1 team that got two red cards and of course even against teams using what should be inferior formations.

2-3
https://s15.postimg.cc/dr7ym76aj/2-3.png

3-2
https://s15.postimg.cc/ype4k1dsb/3-2.jpg

4-1
https://s15.postimg.cc/3v6vmbvaz/4-1.jpg

3-2
https://s15.postimg.cc/alncvuihn/3-2_2.jpg
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yengdenss

You tried playing three at the back or man-marking/zonal style changes?. Last season I stopped the best team in the league who had best attackers playing three at the back zonal.

Maybe you stopped the best team by 'troll' or maybe something is just wrong with my account.

3 at the back, 3+2, 3+3... , zonal, man-on-man, high press, low press.... - all in vain as such. In other words, nothing seem work even decently or satisfactory when in fact some of those used should have done complete shut-outs, especially comparing to what the opposing teams been using as players and formations.
08-23-2018
khris

R u playing with a different formation in each match?^^
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

R u playing with a different formation in each match?^^

Well, 'nothing' worked decently since last season. My preferred formations of the past such as 3N-2W-2-1-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-5-2, 3-4-3 have been like fails since last season and preferred formations of many in this game, for example the 4-5-1 V, which you can see in the 4-1 case above clearly failed playing against a 4-1(MC)-3(WAM)-2 (with opposing manager absent).

I don't know what is going on but many things have not been making much sense in this game. I tried all sort of football styles, especially those that should be superior to what the opponents been using, but still a lot of unsatisfactory results.
08-23-2018
khris

Giuda as ST MoM 9,2... as aml 6,6 amc 7,9 and 7,7... hmmm the truth is that I ask often for the page that show the whole team stars (goals, MoM... etc) but thats interesting, because here I can develop 2 thesis:

1- when you play with a similar/or the same "base formation" you can win all, with good players
2- of course exist the method to, play with different formations in each match... with good players (well programmed) but this needs a little bit more effort knowing "where to allocate the players and with who next to them"....

It is complicated really.... but for own experience... "there's a point" in what u can see.. that the game goes fluid and the bar possession is in your favour constantly... sometimes one can notice about that factor just subbing' one player... -call it negative impact- so, I will go to the conslusion that, you have 1-2 players that allow these chances for the oppo' ...still but you have well programmed players cause the game resolve the matches in your favour...

...If this was my situation... and moving the formation I would do a little scheme... X player better Y position... Z, A,B contributes with goals-assists... or defensive actions... C,D, are aggresive or fail too much/or do not appear... /when F player plays the possession bar is hard to control... and then... maybe I would touch something... even after 1-2 friendlies vs 1*'s to oversize the internal programming and check out the most contributive players and the negative impact ones...

edit:

well u see... formations are just strange forms xD Im experimenting with the 5-2-3 and 2-1-4-3 and you can see ... both teams won +20%'s xD so... players r all...
08-23-2018
Mitja fc

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Played same formation game this season...it was my first league match ...
I play 4-5-1v and opp had the same 4d-1mc-3amw-2s
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But well result was different...i played him with low pressure easy tackling so I still had some reservs or maybe I changed to high at halftime forgot that detail...

I have 5% stronger team than this guy
Got equal opp teams in CHL and league...

We were both spectating the game...
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitja fc

Played same formation game this season...it was my first league match ...
I play 4-5-1v and opp had the same 4d-1mc-3amw-2s
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But well result was different...i played him with low pressure easy tackling so I still had some reservs or maybe I changed to high at halftime forgot that detail...

I have 5% stronger team than this guy
Got equal opp teams in CHL and league...

We were both spectating the game...

Yes, and 4-5-1 V or 4-1-4-1 or even those through the middle with good cover at the back should be working, but not for my case. I met this team 3 times already, twice last season, one of which I won narrowly 2-1 at home with a 5-1-2-1-1 type of formation and lost 3-0 away with another approach, and this season, 1 away match 4-1 lost. Attacking, high pressing or defensive, force counter-attacks, and even the nonsense such as attacking and force counter-attacks - all fail as such. Another formation that I have been having trouble against - those like mid- way 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2 hexagon, but as shown above I cannot even shut out teams using other formation or even inferior ones with whatever approach I have been using.

Something clearly is wrong.
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

Giuda as ST MoM 9,2... as aml 6,6 amc 7,9 and 7,7... hmmm the truth is that I ask often for the page that show the whole team stars (goals, MoM... etc) but thats interesting, because here I can develop 2 thesis:

1- when you play with a similar/or the same "base formation" you can win all, with good players
2- of course exist the method to, play with different formations in each match... with good players (well programmed) but this needs a little bit more effort knowing "where to allocate the players and with who next to them"....

It is complicated really.... but for own experience... "there's a point" in what u can see.. that the game goes fluid and the bar possession is in your favour constantly... sometimes one can notice about that factor just subbing' one player... -call it negative impact- so, I will go to the conslusion that, you have 1-2 players that allow these chances for the oppo' ...still but you have well programmed players cause the game resolve the matches in your favour...

...If this was my situation... and moving the formation I would do a little scheme... X player better Y position... Z, A,B contributes with goals-assists... or defensive actions... C,D, are aggresive or fail too much/or do not appear... /when F player plays the possession bar is hard to control... and then... maybe I would touch something... even after 1-2 friendlies vs 1*'s to oversize the internal programming and check out the most contributive players and the negative impact ones...

edit:

well u see... formations are just strange forms xD Im experimenting with the 5-2-3 and 2-1-4-3 and you can see ... both teams won +20%'s xD so... players r all...

I guess everyone else, including inactive managers, are getting well-programmed players, and it is only my team that gets the bad ones or maybe they just become bad as soon as they joined the club. And the thing is I have been buying players not just like that but carefully chosen with attention to the information already provided on their profiles. Seriously, so far, I think something is wrong and alarming. Oh well... maybe I will quit after this season; I am not satisfied at all with the current game versions - too many negatives.
08-23-2018
khris

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Originally Posted by Tactician

I guess everyone else, including inactive managers, are getting well-programmed players, and it is only my team that gets the bad ones or maybe they just become bad as soon as they joined the club. And the thing is I been buying players not just like that but with attention to the information already provided on their profiles. Seriously, so far, I think something is wrong and alarming. Oh well... maybe I will quit after this season; I am not satisfied at all with the current game versions.

"but with attention to the information already provided on their profiles."

Remember that is a bot who adds the players in the market and that the stats are fake... not from the players performance in any club.... really, I would not worry.... play light Tactician, play light...
08-23-2018
Mitja fc

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You need hidden gems players...to get them buy players with higher transfer value even tho they might hide at normal value aswell
Example:
I think that my aml and amr are both hidden gems while my striker is normal player
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None of them is taking penalties or free kicks...you can see their efficiency in stats...wingers scored way more goals per game compared to my striker whos job should be to score most goals...

This is just an example I have other players doing good job aswell in other positions :D and some players whom are just average
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitja fc

You need hidden gems players...to get them buy players with higher transfer value even tho they might hide at normal value aswell
Example:
I think that my aml and amr are both hidden gems while my striker is normal player
Attachment 108116
Attachment 108118
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None of them is taking penalties or free kicks...you can see their efficiency in stats...wingers scored way more goals per game compared to my striker whos job should be to score most goals...

This is just an example I have other players doing good job aswell in other positions :D and some players whom are just average

My problem is not offence, but defence, and even with what should be good defenders do not help much, as if, according to game engine, it a must for my team to concede a lot of goals. My goalkeeper has been active and saving a lot too but still a lot of goals conceded.
08-23-2018
Mitja fc

Dnt know how to help you there...I am playing attacking mentality with offside trap...I only conceded one goal so far this season and scored 27 and 4 of my 7 opp were equal
My deffenders have best value in tackling marking positioning and my deffence is the strongest part of my team if I check %stats of def/mid/att

I kinda know my forwards will strike alot so I boost deffence little more in preseason...
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitja fc

Dnt know how to help you there...I am playing attacking mentality with offside trap...I only conceded one goal so far this season and scored 27 and 4 of my 7 opp were equal
My deffenders have best value in tackling marking positioning and my deffence is the strongest part of my team if I check %stats of def/mid/att

I kinda know my forwards will strike alot so I boost deffence little more in preseason...

No worries. I thought of asking on the forum as I have returned to the game after about a year or more of absence and maybe there are new things that I am not aware about. I have been checking around and it seems the problem is with my team or with my account. I will try to fix things and do what I can and should be doing as a manager but if nothing help much then I quit after this season instead of 'banging my head against a wall'.

Concerning separate attributes or maybe even group of attributes, all maybe just visual and not matter much if not at all. This game is very deceiving.
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

"but with attention to the information already provided on their profiles."

Remember that is a bot who adds the players in the market and that the stats are fake... not from the players performance in any club.... really, I would not worry.... play light Tactician, play light...

I know they are not from any club but at least certain information provided should be of some use. If all is just visual, cosmetic or fake and not of any use in the football sense, then this game has gone complete 'bull****' as a football managing game. Formations not matter, tactics not matter, profile of players not matter - many things that should be of some use for the football manager not matter, many things that should be of some significance in terms of affecting match outcomes or results not matter, then why I am even playing such a game that called itself Top Eleven - Be A Football Manager? Like many users said, they should be focusing on fixing what is wrong in the game instead of putting **** events every now and then. I just been invited to the association that I founded way back, and I cannot even quit like this immediately now else would be disappointing the others.
08-23-2018
khris

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactician

I know they are not from any club but at least certain information provided should be of some use. If all is just visual, cosmetic or fake and not of any use in the football sense, then this game has gone complete 'bull****' as a football managing game. Formations not matter, tactics not matter, profile of players not matter - many things that should be of some use for the football manager not matter, many things that should be of some significance in terms of affecting match outcomes or results not matter, then why I am even playing such a game that called itself Top Eleven - Be A Football Manager? Like many users said, they should be focusing on fixing what is wrong in the game instead of putting **** events every now and then. I just been invited to the association that I founded way back, and I cannot even quit like this immediately now else would be disappointing the others.

Understand that the game calibrates the team, so you can never have 11 players scoring 40 goals each... max 2-3 determinant ones... then some are neutral, been invisible and some impact in negative and, finally, some do small contributions... all is part of a calibration to keep the teams inside some parameters...

Then we can discuss what is correct and what not... if +20 should win always or X formation vs Y should have BP... but this would mean fixed results and thats why it is important understand all the "hidden side" of the game... because all is hidden in T11...
08-23-2018
Tactician

Quote:

Originally Posted by khris

Understand that the game calibrates the team, so you can never have 11 players scoring 40 goals each... max 2-3 determinant ones... then some are neutral, been invisible and some impact in negative and, finally, some do small contributions... all is part of a calibration to keep the teams inside some parameters...

Then we can discuss what is correct and what not... if +20 should win always or X formation vs Y should have BP... but this would mean fixed results and thats why it is important understand all the "hidden side" of the game... because all is hidden in T11...

I am not complaining about a stronger team or 20% + team losing versus a weaker team or things like this, nor I am complaining about facing stronger opponents unlike many of the posts here and there and nor about players not scoring enough goals. My problem is as described by the title and further in the discussion that this game has gone complete 'bull****' it seems. Currently, something is clearly wrong for my case, and of course, something is wrong in Nik's post concerning possession, and a lot of others things are wrong in this game - way too much.

I guess the 'calibration' for my team since last season is like 0 for defence. :D
08-23-2018
pcmacdaniel

The key thing to understand about playing defensive, is to realize that you are inviting pressure. A defensive manager that can't release the pressure will struggle getting the ball across the midfield line when they have possession. Hence, the opponent ends up forcing bad passes and winning tackles deep in your half of the pitch. If you don't have a means of releasing the pressure, the entire game will be played in your defensive third, so conceding several goals shouldn't be a surprise.
08-23-2018
IImaestroII

We need more infos , can you post your defenders attributes (the back 4 line )? match reports ( stats ) ? how do you play each match ( mentality , off side trap, tackling style, tipe of pressusre and ect.. ) ?
08-24-2018
Tactician

https://s33.postimg.cc/5ciuxv28v/A.M.M_1.jpg

I got this message when the score was 2-1 in favor of the opposing team.

https://s33.postimg.cc/ch0o6smbz/A.M.R_1.jpg

Yes, 'fair result' when opposing manager did not attend both matches.
08-24-2018
khris

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Originally Posted by Tactician

https://s33.postimg.cc/5ciuxv28v/A.M.M_1.jpg

I got this message when the score was 2-1 in favor of the opposing team.

https://s33.postimg.cc/ch0o6smbz/A.M.R_1.jpg

Yes, 'fair result' when opposing manager did not attend both matches.

What was the AvQ differance? for curiosity..
08-24-2018
John Grant

Its quite simple from what I see , your team is rubbish.
08-24-2018
Altiplano

I can't help but wonder if your choice of team name might not have been spotted by Nordeus? And if that might have influenced your poor run of form?
08-24-2018
Tactician

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

I can't help but wonder if your choice of team name might not have been spotted by Nordeus? And if that might have influenced your poor run of form?

Maybe. I already suspected such a thing before, and I already said maybe the problem is with my team only. Like I said once, it is as if it a must for the game engine to make my team concede goals. But it should not be like this and seriously, who from there would do such a thing unless maybe it would be as easy and fast to do as a matter of clicks and few other inputs. As you can see on my signature, I have been playing this game during different periods in the past. I changed the team name to this name at the end of one of those periods with good reasons, where I have made several experiments and found out the game was really **** during that period (but much later more people found out about things, for example like associations games just random or decided before matches played). The team still went on to win a lot of competitions by itself later or when I was back for the other periods, but since I came back last season, things clearly gone bonkers despite I still managed to win a league and a bronze and silver plate from the other competitions. But there are other negatives too such a poor controls, inconvenient transfer market, bugs and flaws and so on but many have already been discussed by other users of the forum itself. But, the positive is that I got my refund for my recent purchase, and I am satisfied with Google's support :). If the suspicion is true, then they can go ahead to mess it more or even delete the whole account; I don't care.
08-24-2018
Altiplano

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Maybe. I already suspected such a thing before, and I already said maybe the problem is with my team only. Like I said once, it is as if it a must for the game engine to make my team concede goals.But this should not be like this and seriously, who from there would do such a thing unless maybe it would be as easy and fast to do as a matter of clicks and few other inputs. As you can see on my signature, I have been playing this game during different periods in the past. I changed the team name to this name at the end of one of those periods with good reasons where I have made several experiments and found out the game was really **** during that period (but much later more people found out about things, for example like associations games just random or decided before matches played). The team still went on to win a lot of competitions by itself later or when I was back for the other periods, but since I came back last season, things clearly gone bonkers despite I still managed to win a league and a bronze and silver plate from the other competitions. But there are other negatives too such a poor controls, inconvenient transfer market, bugs and flaws and so on but many have already been discussed by other users of the forum itself. But, the positive is that I got my refund for my recent purchase, and I am satisfied with Google's support :). If the suspicion is true, then they can go ahead to mess it more or even delete the whole account; I don't care.

I agree with you about the current state of the game. Or then again................perhaps I don't agree with anything you say, depends if big brother Nordeus is watching and takes offence.
But still, I wouldn't advertise my thoughts on the game by renaming my team to reflect those thoughts...........unless I really was leaving.
Good luck in whatever you chose to do next.

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