Top 10 Associations - Week 40

Congratulations to Top 10 associations in week 40 of the year!

1st. top five - #2ETQTN

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2nd. EliteStars - #9NBMVP

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3rd. ArhAngel - #213CET

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4th. #M2QPOR

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5th. LN DO - #YKABS7

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6th. The grand tour - #0XYZCS

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7th. ASTALAVISTA - #VLE3X6

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8th. HUKUMDAR - #1DEXT8

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9th. MANAVGAT - #TD20ME
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10th. VENI VIDI VICI
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Now imagine this obviating the 1-2*'s.

We all know that since last year, whan the draw system that counted the best 11 was broken it is a pure joke.

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Originally Posted by khris

Now imagine this obviating the 1-2*'s.

We all know that since last year, whan the draw system that counted the best 11 was broken it is a pure joke.

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Best 11 or best 14 wouldn't matter if the game engine took a teams highest average quality from the previous season (or week in the case of associations) as the base for deciding draws.
Manipulating would be pointless if for the following season an average of 120% rather than 80% after selling players and putting 1 star players with negative attributes into the calculations were used to decide the draws.

Maybe Top 11 should secretly rotate how they do association draws. One week do starting 11, one week do first 18, one week do the top 11 by quality (including reserves), one week do just reserves and subs. If you keep the associations guessing, they can't use just one exploit!

The top association are a joke.

First, the author needs to look into the game and see the top10. )))



#NormandieNiemen #LACEDAEMON_XXX

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Originally Posted by lalexrus

First, the author needs to look into the game and see the top10. )))



#NormandieNiemen #LACEDAEMON_XXX

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First, check when the post was made :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jcohen42

Maybe Top 11 should secretly rotate how they do association draws. One week do starting 11, one week do first 18, one week do the top 11 by quality (including reserves), one week do just reserves and subs. If you keep the associations guessing, they can't use just one exploit!

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Indeed this can be a smart movement from T11 but people will still manage to bypass it at some point. Hopefully they can come with a general fix. A much better one :) like a permanent fix.

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

First, check when the post was made :rolleyes:

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23 hrs later (Tapatalk don’t write date) - it's too early to congratulate :)
and you need to make a screen on Thursday evening and Saturday morning - then you will see the whole picture, such as the Turkish associations get players through the negotiations (they are not even trainers, but simply because they sell players)

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Originally Posted by lalexrus

23 hrs later (Tapatalk don’t write date) - it's too early to congratulate :)
and you need to make a screen on Thursday evening and Saturday morning - then you will see the whole picture, such as the Turkish associations get players through the negotiations (they are not even trainers, but simply because they sell players)

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I don't think you get the point here. I do congratulate them but at the same time this thread is a bit sarcastic, is a sign of alarm for developers to see reality and hopefully come with a fix.

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

I don't think you get the point here. I do congratulate them but at the same time this thread is a bit sarcastic, is a sign of alarm for developers to see reality and hopefully come with a fix.

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I wrote in the last post how to do what would be clear to the developers. and then - you focus on the top 10, but in fact everything is much sadder - we played with the Greeks at the weekend who were not in the top 100 and were on average 5 * before the draw and on Sunday in the final - already 6 * and this is not the limit. cunning much more than the top 100. About this I have repeatedly written. until the negotiations are closed and the auction for the time of the tournament of associations will not change anything.

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

Best 11 or best 14 wouldn't matter if the game engine took a teams highest average quality from the previous season (or week in the case of associations) as the base for deciding draws.
Manipulating would be pointless if for the following season an average of 120% rather than 80% after selling players and putting 1 star players with negative attributes into the calculations were used to decide the draws.

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we have many formulas really, and yes, have a info like "Last season max. AvQ used" saved, and used as margin, would help too, still I'm not sure of what formula is more easy to implement... we have not even saved the tops and old records so I really dont expect the avq to be saved xD but obviate 1-2*s in the calcuation can be done, same as obvitate the main avq individually in the players to regulate the XP gain in trainings....^^

I am not angry because of people taking advantage of the rule. But because of Top 11 team. Assos are just a caricature of the whole game itself: why on earth good and dedicated managers who spend their time and energy in building strong teams are rewarded with always getting stronger opponents to face ? This just drives me mad. The biased draw system, which is ubiquitous in this game (assos, cup, CL, league, challenges, international teams, etc...) is just silly: is there another game on the market that treats its good players this way ?

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

I am not angry because of people taking advantage of the rule. But because of Top 11 team. Assos are just a caricature of the whole game itself: why on earth good and dedicated managers who spend their time and energy in building strong teams be rewarded with always getting stronger opponents to face ? This just drives me mad. The biased draw system, which is ubiquitous in this game (assos, cup, CL, league, challenges, international teams, etc...) is just silly: is there another game on the market that treats its good players this way ?

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I really want to receive answer of your question from Nordeus. Why they punish dedicated managers? And one more: Why they don't stop tanking?

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

I really want to receive answer of your question from Nordeus. Why they punish dedicated managers? And one more: Why they don't stop tanking?

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To begin with, answer the question - who knows the game more, who spends more time in it - the captain of the top1 association or you? but it turns out that the top 10 are solid egoists, parasites, lazy people who kill the game.

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Originally Posted by lalexrus

To begin with, answer the question - who knows the game more, who spends more time in it - the captain of the top1 association or you? but it turns out that the top 10 are solid egoists, parasites, lazy people who kill the game.

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After 6 years in this game and more than 150 titles, including more than 20 trebles WITHOUT TANKING and as captain of a very successful association, I will answer you - I know the game more, spend more time and invest more effort in the game. I know how to use exploits, how to cheat system and play easy, but prefer fair play.

So, do you happy?

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

After 6 years in this game and more than 150 titles, including more than 20 trebles WITHOUT TANKING and as captain of a very successful association, I will answer you - I know the game more, spend more time and invest more effort in the game. I know how to use exploits, how to cheat system and play easy, but prefer fair play.

So, do you happy?

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In this game, unfortunately, treble is no longer an achievement - it’s too easy to get ....
game (or rather, Nordeus) really doesn’t support such players - it’s just for the reason that you don’t invest money in it .... you win league-cup associations you get tokens for it - you train 3 * players and you don’t buy scouts or mutants for 2k tokens - you don’t need the game (Nordeus) - why support you? this is just a sharp contrast with some associations that spend a huge amount of tokens in each association tournament
just take a look at the last challenge - a simple waste of resources from the teams (those that lose). In the past challenges, we really played with strong rivals. Now it's 1 hour and the challenge is no problem. just because it's easier - someone will give up the rests, someone will spend and tokens - all the same, the winners will be less than the defeated. Competitive meaning is gone.

I won every single challenge (including IC). My inventory is full of shirts and emblems - rewards from this wins:

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and can say that I won more than I invest in this challenges.

I miss only one wins in this game - to see it fair for dedicated managers.

But none won the OMA Championship Khris - lol

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

I won every single challenge (including IC). My inventory is full of shirts and emblems - rewards from this wins:

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and can say that I won more than I invest in this challenges.

I miss only one wins in this game - to see it fair for dedicated managers.

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I have 75 shirts and 13 emlems :) (include official)

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treble is no longer an achievement - it’s too easy to get ....

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c'mon guys, let's be serious
Top hundred it's the vitrine of TE.
Being there, gives a publicity to provide your country, your ideas or to earn more token and sell the group for real money.
TE still has challenges.

Do you believe that anyone can win the treble
Without downgrading the team's q ?
Without upgrading the team after few tanking seasons ?
Without spending money ?
Without using extra tokens or greens from the stock ?
Without playing a bunch of friendlies daily ?
Without using mutants , only simple 100% players ?

Personally I don't remember any case, specially for 2 or more seasons in a row .
Maybe some cases in the first levels where there are many amateur managers.

how about a random pairing not based on quality cause that is what happens in real life since the programmers are so obsessed with making the game realistic

random pairing is not fair.
In a cup or a CH.L. of 32 or 64 teams, there will be 3-4 very strong so it will be hopeless for the rest.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

random pairing is not fair.
In a cup or a CH.L. of 32 or 64 teams, there will be 3-4 very strong so it will be hopeless for the rest.

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This is the way that football works in real live. And it is fairer than current draw system

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

random pairing is not fair.
In a cup or a CH.L. of 32 or 64 teams, there will be 3-4 very strong so it will be hopeless for the rest.

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how do you mean not fair if both teams are at the same level or same Association level

currently CH. L. and cup are aleardy skewed to a few strong teams

do you think its fair to managers who put in the necessary effort to sit by and watch teams with low AVQs paired against each other and be in top 10 associations?

PS. regarding tankers it will be best if Nordeus does a -30% at end of season if you did not qualify for promotion.

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

This is the way that football works in real live. And it is fairer than current draw system

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exactly

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PS. regarding tankers it will be best if Nordeus does a -30% at end of season if you did not qualify for promotion.

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don't do that. I explain - you create a team at the first level, at the second level you leave it to tanking. in 10 seasons this will be a team of about -250 -270 rated (but you see 1 in game). get her into an association. For example, there are 5 teams with a rating of 200 and one with a rating of -250. the average rating will be 124. This association will always score at least 110 points. and you will always lose. and it's simple math why you can't do that. (For example see top49 asso - current version)

It seems to me that the only option to defeat tanking and such frauds is to impose a minimum skill limit restriction, for example at 20 (like max 340) and then you can already talk about withdrawing at least 20%-40% from players.

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Originally Posted by lalexrus

don't do that. I explain - you create a team at the first level, at the second level you leave it to tanking. in 10 seasons this will be a team of about -250 -270 rated (but you see 1 in game). get her into an association. For example, there are 5 teams with a rating of 200 and one with a rating of -250. the average rating will be 124. This association will always score at least 110 points. and you will always lose. and it's simple math why you can't do that. (For example see top49 asso - current version)

It seems to me that the only option to defeat tanking and such frauds is to impose a minimum skill limit restriction, for example at 20 (like max 340) and then you can already talk about withdrawing at least 20%-40% from players.

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Against tanking there is simple decision - make tokens reward for first 4 places in leagues. Decrease token rewards for association tournament and voala!!

Just make league competition important as association tournament.

@stra, I'm not talking about asso draws.
I 'm talking about Cup and CH.L. .
In a random draw, a 5*-6* team will never win the cup as there will be at least 4-5 7*-8* teams in the competition.
Ok, a manager wit a 7*-8* team is asking "Why me, who 's spending time and money to play vs also 7* teams and those ftp teams playing with each other ?"
Because those managers if playing and disqualify in every season from 7*-8* teams, they will leave the game.

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This is the way that football works in real live.

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In real football there aren't exactly "random" draws.
Or else we would see a group with Real, Juventus, Bayern and PSG and another group with Viktoria Plzeň, AEK Athens, Young Boys and Hoffenheim :p
But it's big business to let it be random :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

In real football there aren't exactly "random" draws.
Or else we would see a group with Real, Juventus, Bayern and PSG and another group with Viktoria Plzeň, AEK Athens, Young Boys and Hoffenheim :p
But it's big business to let it be random :rolleyes:

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Even better! Just don't draw weak against weak and strong against strong. This is so, so unfair

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Originally Posted by po_zdrach

Even better! Just don't draw weak against weak and strong against strong. This is so, so unfair

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But that's where the money is. Drawing weak against weak and more importantly strong against strong Nordeus are encouraging us to spend. You see a stronger team in your league on the opening Tuesday of the season and you think "how do I become stronger?" Answer? Spend! Be it tokens or rest packs or hard cash, you will be tempted to spend.

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treble is no longer an achievement - it’s too easy to get ....

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

c'mon guys, let's be serious
Top hundred it's the vitrine of TE.
Being there, gives a publicity to provide your country, your ideas or to earn more token and sell the group for real money.
TE still has challenges.

Do you believe that anyone can win the treble
Without downgrading the team's q ?
Without upgrading the team after few tanking seasons ?
Without spending money ?
Without using extra tokens or greens from the stock ?
Without playing a bunch of friendlies daily ?
Without using mutants , only simple 100% players ?

Personally I don't remember any case, specially for 2 or more seasons in a row .
Maybe some cases in the first levels where there are many amateur managers.

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btw, if anyone want's to take that challenge (with the conditions above), I offer a tempting bet ;)

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

btw, if anyone want's to take that challenge (with the conditions above), I offer a tempting bet ;)

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What you mean with:

"Without using extra tokens or greens from the stock"

Because I have two trebles in row before 3 season according other requirements. No tanking, no quality manipulation, no mutants, no exploits, no money investment. Just free videos

I mean using those 70-80 tokens a simple ftp manager per season can earn, not using tokens from the previous stock.
So cannot buy a 79 tokens recommended or an expensive scout .
Can buy a 39t scout or a 1-2 players from nego.

And using those 600 greens he 's earning from vids.
But must be at least lv12-13, not playing vs noobs of lv4 for example.

If someone is interest, I will write in another thread conditions and terms .
The bet is serious , not real money, but I would say a 20/1 for you.

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Originally Posted by stra

how about a random pairing not based on quality cause that is what happens in real life since the programmers are so obsessed with making the game realistic

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Honestly would be by far the most fairly system. Just like CL in the K.O stage, is pure random and that's the whole fun in it!

Thank you guys for entertaining this thread and keep it alive but please stay on subject, let's focus on Associations and maybe we can fix something! I know we will :D Please come with suggestions, ideas or personal opinions about Associations and how to improve it so people can play it fairly.

Nordeus..

Just close the transfer market after the association draws!!

And if teams buy a new player after the draw for the League then that player should be NOT playable for the asso games..

Simple as that...

More realistic draws

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Originally Posted by maloukees

Nordeus..

Just close the transfer market after the association draws!!

And if teams buy a new player after the draw for the League then that player should be NOT playable for the asso games..

Simple as that...

More realistic draws

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if you knew how many tokens are spent by some associations after the draw - you would understand why nordeus does not. although this would be an ideal solution to rating manipulations in associations.
ps in fact, in passing, it is necessary to close the negotiations for the period of the tournaments associations

Why not to play asso with national teams ?
No more problems with mutants, tanking, no tricks, selling groups for money, not affecting the main team and the official competitions.