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ONE IS GREATER THAN ZERO


I noticed that there is a lot of complaining in the forum regarding new events. I don't completely agree with this. I think that every new event gives me an opportunity to get more tokens, players etc. The events are fairly rewarding. One of the last events KOTH and Ghosts helped me to get 7-9 star player the very first time in TE, many tokens and other stuff like greens and blues.

I think that we should understand the fact that 1>0. If I can earn even 5 tokens in an event I play it. Because 1>0. These events provide us so much opportunity and some of us are neglecting it. For example-

I recently completed Ghosts event and had INVESTED 113 tokens which gave me such a good return in a period of just 7 days; helping me earn 13tokens, 2 great players (will sell one of them at the end of the season), 30 rests, 20 blues. I feel this is a time well spent on this event. Now lets just calculate how much of all this would have cost us. 7-8 star player with special ability 25-30 tokens + at least 100 rests. Wow we just saved that much by playing 2/3 matches each day for 7 days. Isn't this good? What if there was no event like this? We would had stayed at same place that we were 7 days ago.

KOTH gave me many tokens and 8 star player. I know that it was too demanding so I first read my opponents that how much is the possibility of me winning the event and then I acted accordingly. Even in this KOTH I invested a few tokens to get me winning it. And I did win.
The autumn leaf challenge was difficult one. I got 2 troll results at the very start so I didnt used tokens as I thought that it would be a waste of precious tokens.

So i think that we have to figure out what the challenge is demanding(tokens or trolls :p) and act accordingly. Keeping in mind 1>0 :rolleyes:
Look for the opportunity and go all in. Patience is also very important factor. See what others are experiencing or make another account just for testing purpose(i haven't created such an account though).


Now talking about bugs, trolls, bot teams having super powers, bla bla bla bla -
if u are facing such an issue then the best solution is don't waste tokens or greens. thats as simply as that. and don't curse or complain because it isn't about the game it is about YOU. It is about you playing the game. Tell me how do you feel when someone curses you on your faults? Yes if you know you are wrong you will realize your mistake but how does it make you feel? Okay, tell me how often are you able to correct your children or spouse or friends by complaining or scolding them? Same goes with the people behind support in Noredus.

Now don't take me wrong. If you find some bug or unique issue do create awareness about it in the forum or support and do this by first thanking them for creating a game like TE and then stating your problem. This is wayyyyy more better than cursing them(developers/nordeus) and then asking them to correct your thing as if they(developers/nordeus) owe you something.

P.S. these are just my thoughts and opinion. You are entitled to your opinion and I deeply respect it.

Do not compare KOTH with Ghosts.
The second was a fail, maybe on purpose to take the reward of the first back.
Also, how do you explain that they changed the daily option of albums to weekly.
Because they were giving to many tokens free.

Totally agree with you,

We must be thankful for a great game and it depens on us how we play.

Agree with the prices ok , but the Main Problem for me is the "Engine", we are not against trolls match (better call it unlucky match ) but the way we get trolled is not realistic, ex. you 7 shots vs bot oppo 14 shots, you 60+ ball possesion , so how the hell he managed to shot twice than me ?, or other examples shot eff% more for bots even with weaker team. etcc..

Guys, you are totally wrong here. Most of us don't blame the supporters for the events they bring. The problem is not in the events. Anyway, if you don't like the event you can simply skip it and don't waste your time or tokens. But the problem is that each event or each update ruins the previous balance of the game, brings new bugs and glitches which destroy your everyday game process (like league, cup, etc.). And most of the bugs and problems remain for a long time. For example this season the number of troll or random results increased greatly. If previously it was some 2-3 match per season now it is some 6 or 7 results. And don't tell me it's my fault or I do smth wrong - it is really silly when you lose 3-5 playing against the bot from the last place of the league 45% lower than you who in previous 10 matches scored only 5 goals. Or when your team with great def. gets 25 goals in 10 league matches against much lower opponents and only 5 goals in 12 cup+ch.league matches against equal opponents.

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

Do not compare KOTH with Ghosts.

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It is not about comparing brother/sister. Its about how you respond to the given events. Keeping in mind your bugs/trolls and of course 1>0 :p.

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

Also, how do you explain that they changed the daily option of albums to weekly.

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It comes down to perspective.
I don't know why they did that but at least you have the opportunity once a week. What if you don't have this event at all? What if the International Cup was the only event for national team? Then no tokens. ZERO.
Although I don't like their decision at all and Being grateful for that is better.

Hope you get my pov. I am not blindly supporting every decision of Nordeus cuz I can't control that but I can control my response to it.

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Originally Posted by IImaestroII

Agree with the prices ok , but the Main Problem for me is the "Engine", we are not against trolls match (better call it unlucky match ) but they way get trolled is not realistic, ex. you 7 shots vs bot oppo 14 shots, you 60+ ball possesion , so how the hell he managed to shot twice than me ?, or other examples shot eff% more for bots even with weaker team. etcc..

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Totally agree with u. The engine sucks many times. We all face that kind of thing.

I just wanted to draw the attention towards the fact that at this particular moment the opportunity to earn tokens is the best. When I started playing TE there weren't so many events that bring to us big rewards(along with bugs lol).

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Originally Posted by a.gavrilin

Guys, you are totally wrong here. Most of us don't blame the supporters for the events they bring. The problem is not in the events. Anyway, if you don't like the event you can simply skip it and don't waste your time or tokens. But the problem is that each event or each update ruins the previous balance of the game, brings new bugs and glitches which destroy your everyday game process (like league, cup, etc.). And most of the bugs and problems remain for a long time. For example this season the number of troll or random results increased greatly. If previously it was some 2-3 match per season now it is some 6 or 7 results. And don't tell me it's my fault or I do smth wrong - it is really silly when you lose 3-5 playing against the bot from the last place of the league 45% lower than you who in previous 10 matches scored only 5 goals. Or when your team with great def. gets 25 goals in 10 league matches against much lower opponents and only 5 goals in 12 cup+ch.league matches against equal opponents.

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Yes there are increased number of such cases but it is what it is. We can inform the devs here or at support to maybe slow down a little bit and take time to correct previous issues and bugs or be more diligent in making new ones.

And its not your fault. Sometimes Real Madrid also lose to weaker team or just decide to tank and Man United sucks (joking lol :p). I think that the engine is not that stable as much as we all expect it to be.

I meant that keep informing the devs about bugs and don't take losing due to these bugs/trolls/bad luck too seriously. After all this just a game.

@Hunter, I started this contest by giving to my basic team double blue packs so to have a superb preparation.
The morale of my players dropped again and then gave more.
I finished the 3rd round and got a 5* player useless for my team.
Then I bought some tickets because I got trolled from bot teams.
Then I could not play because there was a bug
and today my 3 tickets was exchanged by 3 blue packs.
So, for me it was 0<1 :p

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

@Hunter, I started this contest by giving to my basic team double blue packs so to have a superb preparation.
The morale of my players dropped again and then gave more.
I finished the 3rd round and got a 5* player useless for my team.
Then I bought some tickets because I got trolled from bot teams.
Then I could not play because there was a bug
and today my 3 tickets was exchanged by 3 blue packs.
So, for me it was 0<1 :p

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Thats pretty bad though. I can understand your frustration level. Like you my friends too were a victim of the bugs.
Morale thing happened with me too :( Like you I too got trolled by bot teams many times.
But I bought tickets worth 113 tokens completed the event on the very last day. I waited till the 2nd last day to buy tickets reading everything going on in forum. And then went all in on the 2nd last and last day.

For everyone 1>0 will work because it is a universal law. Maybe you were unlucky this time.

There is no defense for nordeus on players not being able to connect in the final days. A smart and disciplined manager will wait for the final day to buy tokens. Reason being, any tokens being left over is a waste because 1 ticket = 1 morale booster.

I completed the event with 75 tokens spent, so made a profit of 51 tokens and 51 rest (30 + 21 matches played). When event was over I had 2 tickets left. So proper resource management would have left me with 17 additional tokens for a net gain of 68 token and 51 rest.

So I do agree with your post Hunter. Only exception being the horrible bug that kept players from connecting.

The other thing I will add is that nordeus needs to be more transparent about the mechanics of the game engine if they want to make OP bot teams. They are causing to large a percentage of there player base to get frustrated with these events.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

ONE IS GREATER THAN ZERO

(this is a big post with some message in it. be patient and read it. forgive me if there are some mistakes in writing as this is one of my first few posts. Thank you)


I noticed that there is a lot of complaining in the forum regarding new events. I don't completely agree with this. I think that every new event gives me an opportunity to get more tokens, players etc. The events are fairly rewarding. One of the last events KOTH and Ghosts helped me to get 7-9 star player the very first time in TE, many tokens and other stuff like greens and blues.

I think that we should understand the fact that 1>0. If I can earn even 5 tokens in an event I play it. Because 1>0. These events provide us so much opportunity and some of us are neglecting it. For example-

I recently completed Ghosts event and had INVESTED 113 tokens which gave me such a good return in a period of just 7 days; helping me earn 13tokens, 2 great players (will sell one of them at the end of the season), 30 rests, 20 blues. I feel this is a time well spent on this event. Now lets just calculate how much of all this would have cost us. 7-8 star player with special ability 25-30 tokens + at least 100 rests. Wow we just saved that much by playing 2/3 matches each day for 7 days. Isn't this good? What if there was no event like this? We would had stayed at same place that we were 7 days ago.

KOTH gave me many tokens and 8 star player. I know that it was too demanding so I first read my opponents that how much is the possibility of me winning the event and then I acted accordingly. Even in this KOTH I invested a few tokens to get me winning it. And I did win.
The autumn leaf challenge was difficult one. I got 2 troll results at the very start so I didnt used tokens as I thought that it would be a waste of precious tokens.

So i think that we have to figure out what the challenge is demanding(tokens or trolls :p) and act accordingly. Keeping in mind 1>0 :rolleyes:
Look for the opportunity and go all in. Patience is also very important factor. See what others are experiencing or make another account just for testing purpose(i haven't created such an account though).


Now talking about bugs, trolls, bot teams having super powers, bla bla bla bla -
if u are facing such an issue then the best solution is don't waste tokens or greens. thats as simply as that. and don't curse or complain because it isn't about the game it is about YOU. It is about you playing the game. Tell me how do you feel when someone curses you on your faults? Yes if you know you are wrong you will realize your mistake but how does it make you feel? Okay, tell me how often are you able to correct your children or spouse or friends by complaining or scolding them? Same goes with the people behind support in Noredus.

Now don't take me wrong. If you find some bug or unique issue do create awareness about it in the forum or support and do this by first thanking them for creating a game like TE and then stating your problem. This is wayyyyy more better than cursing them(developers/nordeus) and then asking them to correct your thing as if they(developers/nordeus) owe you something.

P.S. these are just my thoughts and opinion. You are entitled to your opinion and I deeply respect it.

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You are the only one that agree with the game

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I won the challenge with 2 teams,easy,very easy(the dice roll favoured me i guess as with the 2nd team i won the last day,7 straight games with the same formation/tactics,and without changing anything during these games)so i must be happy and i should agree with you ,1>0...but..the point is what expectations do you have,do you like what you play when you set your team and win every game without doing nothing?
Or do you like to fool yourself,changing formation,tactics every game and believe that you can influence the outcome of a match in a big %?
Also you won,i won,some others too,but how many users lost their tokens?(and for them 1 is not greater than 0)
You can not ask someone who lost to be happy with this challenge because you won(especially if he was not able to play last days,because of the bug)
And of course,your title(1>0) is wrong in the view of many users,it's all right in your view,so THANK YOU NORDEUS would reflect better your point of view.

KOTH by far the best event imo. It does not require player to spend any T to play, unlike ghost event. Opponent is real player not the bot team. The reward is surreal. I enjoyed it so much and hope more event like KOTH to come!

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Good post.
The problem with forums is that 'happy' players tend not to post as much. When we win we think it's all down to 'good management' and our skill. A loss however is always the fault of the game and can easily cause an outburst of emotion that needs to be shared with others, hence, while there are probably many tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of contented players, the perception is that the game is 'broke' because that is the consensus on the forum.
When I started playing 5 years ago there were just as many complaints on here, and a constant theme of 'Nordeus will suffer as everyone stops playing'. Oddly enough Nordeus are still here!
Don't get me wrong, there are a good few things I'd change, but it's still the best free to play game I've tried

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Good post.
The problem with forums is that 'happy' players tend not to post as much. When we win we think it's all down to 'good management' and our skill. A loss however is always the fault of the game and can easily cause an outburst of emotion that needs to be shared with others, hence, while there are probably many tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of contented players, the perception is that the game is 'broke' because that is the consensus on the forum.
When I started playing 5 years ago there were just as many complaints on here, and a constant theme of 'Nordeus will suffer as everyone stops playing'. Oddly enough Nordeus are still here!
Don't get me wrong, there are a good few things I'd change, but it's still the best free to play game I've tried

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you got my point. although I am not an old player but I am a happy player. LOL

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Originally Posted by Hunter

ONE IS GREATER THAN ZERO If I can earn even 5 tokens in an event I play it. Because 1>0

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Take a look at the Club Shop/Buy Tokens//Free Tokens/TapJoy (Fyber is less rewarding, and IronSource is scam, at least in my experience). Chances are, you will find quite different ratio of the tokens you earn to the time you spend.

The point of a Halloween event is to entertain the people and let them play a interesting event, once there's people experiencing fixed scenarios that are repeated 7 or 9 times in a row vs the same team that they can't win, this shows s weakness in the own calibration of that event.
The majority reaction of an event can't be the rage and frustration, at least this is what it seems, sadly this rection exists in many game aspects, more clear in those who've been playing for years because this did not happen at this scale.
This needs a solution really...

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Originally Posted by vad

Take a look at the Club Shop/Buy Tokens//Free Tokens/TapJoy (Fyber is less rewarding, and IronSource is scam, at least in my experience). Chances are, you will find quite different ratio of the tokens you earn to the time you spend.

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It's free so not much to whine about.

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Originally Posted by madflo19

I won the challenge with 2 teams,easy,very easy(the dice roll favoured me i guess as with the 2nd team i won the last day,7 straight games with the same formation/tactics,and without changing anything during these games)so i must be happy and i should agree with you ,1>0...but..the point is what expectations do you have,do you like what you play when you set your team and win every game without doing nothing?
Or do you like to fool yourself,changing formation,tactics every game and believe that you can influence the outcome of a match in a big %?
Also you won,i won,some others too,but how many users lost their tokens?(and for them 1 is not greater than 0)
You can not ask someone who lost to be happy with this challenge because you won(especially if he was not able to play last days,because of the bug)
And of course,your title(1>0) is wrong in the view of many users,it's all right in your view,so THANK YOU NORDEUS would reflect better your point of view.

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Expectations - As khris stated in #18 & A more stable engine especially in bot games.

As far as 1>0 is concerned it will always hold true because this is the Law of the Universe just like law of gravity. I might be sounding a little bit philosophical but trust me this is a perfect scientific law. 1>0 in the MACRO. The bigger picture - after 6 months of a series of events like these we all are better off than without them. We see small defeats at start dwelling on them forgetting that we are playing the long term game(for me in TE it's like 1-2 years). So if we get many new bugs with these events it's our choice to participate or not.

1>0

Don't take me wrong. Do you really think that being a TE player I would be happy with new and increased amount of bugs? The bugs should be minimal. Bugs like not able to play games are frustrating especially if you invest real money.

I just want to draw the attention to the positive aspects of the game so that we all are able to enjoy it even more. These are just my thoughts and opinions. You may or may not agree.

Thanks for your attention.

With my main team I didn't play any game so I exchanged today 9 free tickets for 9 blue packs.
So I guess 1>0 for me :o
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I played some rounds with my 2nd team but had a bug and stop.


really now, those contests reward the super tanking teams of 8*-9*, teams with mutants or semi-mutants, and managers who have reserves and doing manipulations (I won't hide that I did that in some contests like the European tours).
There are also few lucky guys who can win at once or some who will invest many tokens and time and at the end will have some profit.
KOTH was the only contest I enjoy and was hopping for more contests like that :(

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

With my main team I didn't play any game so I exchanged today 9 free tickets for 9 blue packs.
So I guess 1>0 for me :o
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I played some rounds with my 2nd team but had a bug and stop.


really now, those contests reward the super tanking teams of 8*-9*, teams with mutants or semi-mutants, and managers who have reserves and doing manipulations (I won't hide that I did that in some contests like the European tours).
There are also few lucky guys who can win at once or some who will invest many tokens and time and at the end will have some profit.
KOTH was the only contest I enjoy and was hopping for more contests like that :(

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To be fair, you were down to your last 6550 blue packs.

I got a bot team three times in a row when it should have been a human player. Lost all three. There was no way I was investing 9 tokens for 1 ticket after that.

As others have said KOTH was great but likely won't be repeated since the rewards were decent and achievable. The sticker album was also a good side event until it was compressed into one day in an attempt to grab rests and slow down how quickly you could win tokens.

This event was basically gambling with our tokens. We had a maximum of 15 free tokens, so it was possible to win it w/o buying any tokens. But the odds of going 15-0 was highly unlikely.

So we basically were forced to spend our tickets on tokens, for a chance to win up to 126 tokens, 30 rests, a 7* player and whatever else could be farmed.

Now, if we run the math, it'll be clear that an average performance would result in a profit. 16 tickets purchased + 15 earned for free = 128 tokens spent. If a 15-16 record, that's 126 tokens + 30 rests + 31 rests from substitutions, for a net gain of -2 token and +61 rests. Ultimately, 59 rests is still a pretty good profit.

But buying tickets is still a risk. If hitting a bad stretch, we have to ask questions of ourselves. Should I push on? When is it time to cut our losses? Some people love to gamble, others are more risk adverse.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

So if we get many new bugs with these events it's our choice to participate or not.

1>0

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You know that even if you don't participate to these events,you still have all these bugs?and as we have seen in the past,it can ruin your cup or ch.league,or league competition.
But again,then you can say that it's our choice to play this game or not.

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Originally Posted by madflo19

You know that even if you don't participate to these events,you still have all these bugs?and as we have seen in the past,it can ruin your cup or ch.league,or league competition.
But again,then you can say that it's our choice to play this game or not.

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Exactly. You are 100% correct. These things affect us.

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

This event was basically gambling with our tokens. We had a maximum of 15 free tokens, so it was possible to win it w/o buying any tokens. But the odds of going 15-0 was highly unlikely.

So we basically were forced to spend our tickets on tokens, for a chance to win up to 126 tokens, 30 rests, a 7* player and whatever else could be farmed.

Now, if we run the math, it'll be clear that an average performance would result in a profit. 16 tickets purchased + 15 earned for free = 128 tokens spent. If a 15-16 record, that's 126 tokens + 30 rests + 31 rests from substitutions, for a net gain of -2 token and +61 rests. Ultimately, 59 rests is still a pretty good profit.

But buying tickets is still a risk. If hitting a bad stretch, we have to ask questions of ourselves. Should I push on? When is it time to cut our losses? Some people love to gamble, others are more risk adverse.

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i think if one decided to spend token (assume 4 tix for 32 token at first), i say one shud keep going to win it rather let the 32 token wasted for nothing, even if it cost more...

No matter how bad u are, i think at most u wud only lose 50-70 token, and got the rare jersey, 2 players, green and blue... For 70 token i think tat is fine... Especially the rare jersey

I noticed that there is a lot of complaining in the forum regarding new events. I don't completely agree with this. I think that every new event gives me an opportunity to get more tokens, players etc. The events are fairly rewarding. One of the last events KOTH and Ghosts helped me to get 7-9 star player the very first time in TE, many tokens and other stuff like greens and blues.

A: Indeed 1>0 in this case, even if you play these events with the free entries at the end you will end up more then likely on plus.

I recently completed Ghosts event and had INVESTED 113 tokens which gave me such a good return in a period of just 7 days; helping me earn 13tokens, 2 great players (will sell one of them at the end of the season), 30 rests, 20 blues. I feel this is a time well spent on this event. Now lets just calculate how much of all this would have cost us. 7-8 star player with special ability 25-30 tokens + at least 100 rests. Wow we just saved that much by playing 2/3 matches each day for 7 days. Isn't this good? What if there was no event like this? We would had stayed at same place that we were 7 days ago.

A: Almost everyone I know, including I used around 100 plus tokens to finish this challenge but not everyone have 100 tokens to risk it. Anyway if you put the problem like this is pointless cause we go above where 1>0.

I would like to go thru the others but is pointless in the end right cause no matter what I will say 1>0 just as you said.

Yet, regarding the challenges there is still lots to say, you can approach this from another angle ... What I do not like for example is that everyone have equal chances which doesn't make sense at all. Opponents are scaled according to your quality and I am totally against this as it makes your investment to be totally pointless and I think this is a serious issue for the challenges .

Just cause you win something doesn't mean is always OK, indeed is something in plus, something for free but still ... Also challenges are manipulated extremely bad and this is sad, lots of the managers are struggling while others win it without much effort cause they managed to manipulate the opponents.

Anyway, good point of view and I liked a lot what you said at the end, rather then start to insult, better come and report.

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ONE IS GREATER THAN ZERO

I recently completed Ghosts event and had INVESTED 113 tokens which gave me such a good return in a period of just 7 days; helping me earn 13tokens, 2 great players (will sell one of them at the end of the season), 30 rests, 20 blues. I feel this is a time well spent on this event. Now lets just calculate how much of all this would have cost us. 7-8 star player with special ability 25-30 tokens + at least 100 rests. Wow we just saved that much by playing 2/3 matches each day for 7 days. Isn't this good? What if there was no event like this? We would had stayed at same place that we were 7 days ago.

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Regarding 2 great players it is the funniest thing in the world. These 2 players may be considered good when you only start playing the game. For the rest even the 7 stars players are crap. Their performance is always among the worst in every match as they have low white skills (always same as grey skills). And the only thing they do is raising your team overall which leads to more difficult opponents during the draws of both daily competitions/events and FA matches. So with these useless players Nordeus itself creates clubs with high overall which makes later problems with draws

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Yet, regarding the challenges there is still lots to say, you can approach this from another angle ... What I do not like for example is that everyone have equal chances which doesn't make sense at all. Opponents are scaled according to your quality and I am totally against this as it makes your investment to be totally pointless and I think this is a serious issue for the challenges .

Just cause you win something doesn't mean is always OK, indeed is something in plus, something for free but still ... Also challenges are manipulated extremely bad and this is sad, lots of the managers are struggling while others win it without much effort cause they managed to manipulate the opponents.

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Thank you.
Great point of view mate.


About second paragraph - could you please elaborate? And how do they manipulate draws/opponents in events like these?

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Originally Posted by a.gavrilin

Regarding 2 great players it is the funniest thing in the world. These 2 players may be considered good when you only start playing the game. For the rest even the 7 stars players are crap. Their performance is always among the worst in every match as they have low white skills (always same as grey skills). And the only thing they do is raising your team overall which leads to more difficult opponents during the draws of both daily competitions/events and FA matches. So with these useless players Nordeus itself creates clubs with high overall which makes later problems with draws

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Oh but the players(both 5* and 7*) I have got in these events are superb. They score goals, have good ratings and get man of the match(striker does)

My team is 110% and I don't have any mutants. I never tank. So is that the reason that they are so good for me?

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Thank you.
Great point of view mate.


About second paragraph - could you please elaborate? And how do they manipulate draws/opponents in events like these?

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You are asking me to post how to cheat, well I can't do that but do some research on forum and you will see lots of people speaking of that.

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Oh but the players(both 5* and 7*) I have got in these events are superb. They score goals, have good ratings and get man of the match(striker does)

My team is 110% and I don't have any mutants. I never tank. So is that the reason that they are so good for me?

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Those players should be scaled based on your team quality. Giving a 5 stars player to somebody who have a 7 stars team is quite useless.

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

You are asking me to post how to cheat, well I can't do that but do some research on forum and you will see lots of people speaking of that.

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lol sorry about that. I was just curious. :p

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

Those players should be scaled based on your team quality. Giving a 5 stars player to somebody who have a 7 stars team is quite useless.

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Yes. Will help me get extra 100 million though.