New cheat or old trolling random engine?!

I have already mentioned this problem in one of my previous posts here

https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-2019-a-2.html

The idea was that lower level and overall team suddenly beats me in the champions league twice after playing 2 friendly matches against me just before the game. It was in the previous season. And you can not imagine my surprise when the same BS has just happened in my champions league final taking a treble away from me.

To start with I played with this opponent twice on group stage and destroyed him accordingly 1-4 and 6-1. Just because I played my best and destroyed my last opponent he was able to pass to the playoff round.

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With some difficulties he was able to make it to the final. And today in the morning he puts me again 2 friendlies about which I was not informed so I didn't attend them.

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Once again 2 wins for me.

But then we play a champions league final and his team suddenly switches on superman mode and destroys all my plans and dreams for the treble

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How the hell is that possible?! After such trolling you simply lose any wish to play the game.

The strange thing here also is that when I enetered the game before the final (after his 2 friendlies) I suddenly saw his quality showing 125% instead of his
usual 105% with each line at 124-125% when for example in def he has only 5 stars players. I wish I had made any screenshot as a proof. But I restarted the application and it turned back to normal. So what is it?! New cheating method, just a glitch or new troll result? If this is a troll result then this season I had 9 of them losing or playing the draw even against the last places of the league. And don't you think trolling by ai must be stopped at least during the finals. Such results don't make you work harder on your tactics and team but simply create the wish to delete the game once and forever.

So dear developers, please, kindly check if this freindly bs is not a new cheating method. Because when you experiece such result once you may blame it on coincidence, twice you say - ok, it can be some trolling by the game engine, but 3 times in a row make you think of smth behind this

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Maybe it's a result by stats.
You know, he had 20% chance to beat you, played 4 times and won the 5th :p
What was your quality?
Also I see a balance bp.

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Why it wasn't approved?
New forum regulations?
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Why it wasn't approved?
New forum regulations?
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You can PM me or send a message to an active mod that you see as active at that moment, writing/posting in the forum.

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I get this same bull**** everytime; always the champions league final. I have only won it once, gone to the final 5 times. Everytime the assistant manager tells me we didn't have luck on our side. I see it as troll from the game. I will still play the final today again and I'm pretty sure it will be the same result.

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Maybe it's a result by stats.
You know, he had 20% chance to beat you, played 4 times and won the 5th :p
What was your quality?
Also I see a balance bp.

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I'm 113% and he is 105% and 1 level lower than me. But all my players have much better white stats and black stats close to 1%. So logically I shouldn't have any problems with this opponent

I guess in that case the game ignored the white/grey skills and set priority to other factors.
A 8% q difference it's not a big deal.
Over 20%, we can talk about it.


Two tips for the finals or critical games.
Don't make friends your final rivals.
Here's mine, in CH.L. final. He 's still waiting to accept him :p

Before the final, try to hide a little you (better) quality and maybe your formation.
I had about 120% quality.
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Ok, those are not the most important factors but some times the troll is in the details :rolleyes:

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I'm 113% and he is 105% and 1 level lower than me. But all my players have much better white stats and black stats close to 1%. So logically I shouldn't have any problems with this opponent

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I've never been that much of a believer in mutants, at least in terms of differentiating teams. They're definitely exploitable as an opponent and you can easily win without them. Never understood the obsession with them as the game will still troll you anyway.

My oppo on CL final tried to do the same thing. He added me one day before the final but I rejected. He added me again, then I waited to play (and win) the final before rejecting again :) glad I did it, maybe I would have got trolled.

Maybe something wrong or maybe the game just want to ruin your treble, it was happen to my team 2 season ago. Now my team achieve treble beating 150 mutant team, im not saying im better as my team is 120 team, im just lucky and "maybe this is my time lol". But in assoc match, im beaten over and over by lower rate team. Time to rise in normal match, down in assoc match lol.

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The strange thing here also is that when I enetered the game before the final (after his 2 friendlies) I suddenly saw his quality showing 125% instead of his
usual 105% with each line at 124-125% when for example in def he has only 5 stars players. I wish I had made any screenshot as a proof. But I restarted the application and it turned back to normal. So what is it?! New cheating method, just a glitch or new troll result? If this is a troll result then this season I had 9 of them losing or playing the draw even against the last places of the league. And don't you think trolling by ai must be stopped at least during the finals. Such results don't make you work harder on your tactics and team but simply create the wish to delete the game once and forever.

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This part at least: I think that since he is a level below you, what appears to you to be a 105% overall quality team is a 125% team at his level. On occasion, the game interface will show you the as-is stats of a team or player without adjusting for the level difference. As you said however, when you restarted, the interface correctly adjusted his quality to reflect the level difference (as if his team had just promoted and lost a star).

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I've never been that much of a believer in mutants, at least in terms of differentiating teams. They're definitely exploitable as an opponent and you can easily win without them. Never understood the obsession with them as the game will still troll you anyway.

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gotta agree with this... After keeping same 11 players for 5-6 season long, they all become mutant... Yet last season we were beaten few times with lesser quality team (normal teams, those without mutants)

I did this on purpose against main rival... Lost on friendlies, but smashed em on real match...

Seems now we can find the use of friendlies...

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This part at least: I think that since he is a level below you, what appears to you to be a 105% overall quality team is a 125% team at his level. On occasion, the game interface will show you the as-is stats of a team or player without adjusting for the level difference. As you said however, when you restarted, the interface correctly adjusted his quality to reflect the level difference (as if his team had just promoted and lost a star).

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It seems you may be right. The difference between 105 and 125 is exactly 20% so it is quite possible that the game simply considered his quality on his level. The question now is why it happens and if this affects the match itself

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Maybe something wrong or maybe the game just want to ruin your treble, it was happen to my team 2 season ago. Now my team achieve treble beating 150 mutant team, im not saying im better as my team is 120 team, im just lucky and "maybe this is my time lol". But in assoc match, im beaten over and over by lower rate team. Time to rise in normal match, down in assoc match lol.

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Also need to agree with this according to my experience. I always easily win 3-4 trebles in a row winning easily even against much better opponents but after that for some 4-5 seasons my players suddenly play like crap losing to the last places of the league, etc.

As for the trolling and randomness of the game - the end of the previous season was crazy in troll results. In my first 3 weeks my players were playing in god mode and I had only 1 defeat in the second day of the season in my 2 cup match. The 1st away match I easily won 0-4 and in home game was lucky to escape the problems during last minutes of the game scoring the goal 1-4. This was the definite trolling as the difference between the teams was great but in the 2nd game I couldn't do anything playing just with the same tactics. That was my only defeat in 3 first weeks.

The pick of the troll results was during the last week when I lost 4 matches and got 3 draws out of 10 matches playing with the last teams of the league. And if previously the number of such results during the season was 2 max 3 during the last 2-3 seasons the number of such matches increased to 8-10 each season.

Just hope for some changes in TE2019 (if it certainly comes which I really doubt recently). But 6 years experience of the game tells that all the updates bring only new problems

This "treble nemesis" happened to me 4 or 5 times this year. A flawless series of victories and sudenly, out of nowhere, came this defeat against this kind of oppo (one level below you, 20-30% lower quality, active but not playing the games) that ruined your treble hopes. I am sure this is a pattern that was implemented to the game. About the "friend" trick, I always reject friendship applications that come just before a match against the manager's team.