Home game disadvantage

Since mid-last season, in most of my games (not every), the home teams have had a huge possession disadvantage although the nominal possession bonuses may be even 15% into the home side's advantage.

Examples. My possession numbers against the same, fairly equally rated team: 44% home, 57% away. Against another club of similar quality: neutral Cup final 50%, away in League 61%. Home against a two whole stars weaker team with 15% bonus for me: 52%.

Have you experienced the same?

Also I've noticed that this hasn't happened when the home manager isn't present. (Which is why I've stopped watching my home games). Coincidence or not?

Maybe your opponent has a heavy load (more) midfielders in the game??

I find it all very random, sometimes I win against stronger teams and sometimes I lose against weaker teams.

There has always been randomness but this is a new thing. Differences in tactics aren't enough to explain such a consistent trend either. I looked at last two league rounds, the home team had more possession in only 2 of 14 games, with a red card for away team involved in other of them.

So at least in my server, there's definitely a home team possession disadvantage, and I think this is an unintentional bug. Interesting if other servers don't have the same.

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Originally Posted by VFK

There has always been randomness but this is a new thing. Differences in tactics aren't enough to explain such a consistent trend either. I looked at last two league rounds, the home team had more possession in only 2 of 14 games, with a red card for away team involved in other of them.

So at least in my server, there's definitely a home team possession disadvantage, and I think this is an unintentional bug. Interesting if other servers don't have the same.

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Sincerely never seen this problem, i get always 70 to 80 % possesion almost all matches, 60 to 70 for hard matches , both home or away with similar oppo %, you need to post some screens or details to investigate

Yeah a friend and me, we also noticed that. I think he even wrote some words to the support because of that and they said it is a bug that some users are experiencing and they are working on it...

Until then, I would highly advise you to not watch your home games. The more possession bonus you have for your home game, it is added for the opponent and to your disadvantage, really stupid.

I will not believe it's a bug until official answer... let me doubt and think that this is, 1- normal, as always has been like this or 2- maybe effect of the wide beatability margin introduced.

Cup. Opponent about 10% weaker. Away game fan bonus + 3% for home team (my opponent). I am white, I have still 64% posession in this game and won it easily 3-0. On a neutral ground without any fan bonus I would have had 67% posession.

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Cup rematch, this time I'm home (yellow). Fan bonus + 15% for me. Still only 48% posession. On a neutral ground I as the home team would have had 33% posession and the opponent 67% as away team, same I had in the away game. Lost 1-3.

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I mean, sure tactics can change but apart from that nothing really happened to both teams between these 2 matches. Still we have a posession of 67% in favor of the away team in both matches, when in a normal world and in TE until a few weeks ago, the home team always had a little bonus.
Say what you want, but this is just impossible. There must be a bug regarding this. I barely can get over 50% posession in any of my home games, despite having the fan bonus +15% and being the better team on paper, yet I'm absolutely dominating in my away games.

The stats of the games are just broken in some games.
I noticed that before many months and made this post here
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...how-comes.html

@VFK was there too :p

Ive done a check out and seems not my case.... well I mean I see all normal.... been having arround 70%s home-away mostly of cases...

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Originally Posted by khris

Ive done a check out and seems not my case.... well I mean I see all normal.... been having arround 70%s home-away mostly of cases...

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If you are really good, you dont notice a difference. Just in fairly balanced games. Also I think it maybe has something to do with supporters. Maybe they get added for the away team.. ? :/

I rather agree.
Anyway, b.p. is not a critical factor for winning a game.
I would say it's more an indicator.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I rather agree.
Anyway, b.p. is not a critical factor for winning a game.
I would say it's more an indicator.

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Yeah agree, imo posession is useless. I'm also not complaining... Still, it is a strange thing I noticed in the last few weeks. An official statement from Nordeus would be great. :rolleyes:

I'm also not complaining. For me the most important someone should focus, is the shots from two teams.
But yes it's weird in some games how this bp comes.
I understand that a 3-6-1V (3D-DMC-2MC-3AM-ST) gives some + bp vs a 4-5-1V or a 4-4-2 flat but still with some important quality difference and the other factors (not presence and bonus because my opponent wasn't watching but support-tickets) cannot be explained.

That's what I 'm talking @Khris
A Cup game today
Forest had bp 53-47% :confused:
but was also present in the game, oppo wasn't (so couldn't trigger any bp bonus - if had)
Had +15% from tickets-support
and 123 vs 100%

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but as you can see, Forest dominate the game with much more shots

This extra +15% looks that wasn't added in game calculations.

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Yeah agree, imo posession is useless. I'm also not complaining... Still, it is a strange thing I noticed in the last few weeks. An official statement from Nordeus would be great. :rolleyes:

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They doesn't bother to much to announce big changes to the game,do you think that will do for such a minor thing lol

Had a home game where both me and my 10% stronger opponent were present. The possession seemed normal first, bonuses were 7% for me and possession was 52-48 in my favour.

Then at the beginning of the second half two new fans came to support me, with my possession bonus jumping to 11% and the disadvantage kicked in. The possession bar switched into my opponent's favour and he began to control the game more. The final possession numbers ended up being 48-52 for away.

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Originally Posted by VFK

Had a home game where both me and my 10% stronger opponent were present. The possession seemed normal first, bonuses were 7% for me and possession was 52-48 in my favour.

Then at the beginning of the second half two new fans came to support me, with my possession bonus jumping to 11% and the disadvantage kicked in. The possession bar switched into my opponent's favour and he began to control the game more. The final possession numbers ended up being 48-52 for away.

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Yep, I noticed this effect too. How I said many times before, Nordeus really hate attending managers, but now they punish them for evreone manager who support their teams.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

That's what I 'm talking @Khris
A Cup game today
Forest had bp 53-47% :confused:
but was also present in the game, oppo wasn't (so couldn't trigger any bp bonus - if had)
Had +15% from tickets-support
and 123 vs 100%

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but as you can see, Forest dominate the game with much more shots

This extra +15% looks that wasn't added in game calculations.

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But this always has been inside the margins... never was like "+5% if you start attending" and the game never starts with a 50-50 count, it applies its own starting percent... that means u had 38 as starting %.
Plus, what I said, you know we had a recalibration of scores, in high margins, this is not the case as the diff' isn't too much but the simulatorhas changed.
Still I will keep my prudence till a oficial answer, we've seen many situations here in the forum really.

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Originally Posted by VFK

Had a home game where both me and my 10% stronger opponent were present. The possession seemed normal first, bonuses were 7% for me and possession was 52-48 in my favour.

Then at the beginning of the second half two new fans came to support me, with my possession bonus jumping to 11% and the disadvantage kicked in. The possession bar switched into my opponent's favour and he began to control the game more. The final possession numbers ended up being 48-52 for away.

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Same for me in cup game. I was winning first half 2-0. The oppo didn't watch the game, i made no changes and in the second half the oppo had better ball possession and scored 3 goals. End losing 3-2.