Transfersystem is absolutely awful

From this season the negotiations are only available in week 4, which makes building a decend squad without paying 200+ tokens impossible.

99% of the players on the transferlist are poor or are usable in only 1 position + hardly any of them have a specialty (incl. the ones <75% which are useless anyway).
The players on the scoutinglist are massively overpriced and 95% of them have very basic stats around the overall percentage, rather than having higher stats acc. to their positions. Some defenders have good enough stats to play striker and attacking stats are almost equal to defensive stats...
The daily recommended players are often 150+ tokens to buy and is purely based on your next opponent's strongest player i.o. your weakest.

The negotiations were the only thing that was decend from the current transfersystem, as you could earn some tokens by selling players and provides a good way to build your squad up from start of season.

Now that this change has been made the negotiations are useless and so the only decend thing of the transfersystem is now destroyed as well.

Think it's time to say goodbye to this game.

Hey.
I will partly disagree with you mate. I always bought my players for 1 token :)
Rare cases - 2.
However, I dislike the current Nego rule as it is right now too...
And believe it or not, atm my squad is doing the job perfectly.
Yes, that means every day training & after each match, but in the end you get fairly strong squad prepared to defeat even a stronger teams ( we don't talk for luck result here ).
I assume you are higher lvl than me, which means you should know better than me that those "suggested" players are Weaker than the ones You train every day :)
Hint : Skills %
:)

Ok, so if you buy your players for 1 or 2 tokens, you'll be getting 70-75% players aged 20+, because on my list anything above sells for min. 5 tokens now.

Apart from that the squads that are always in my league have 105%+ within a week everytime.
How can I compete with that if I buy 70-75% players? Those wouldn't even make my bench and take too long to get up to 100%+
Normally the average age of my squad is already between 20-22 and 100% after week 1.

Absolute joke, i have a family and i have a job, which means i cant sit there all day waiting every 4 minutes for a player i want to become available. Negotiations allowed me to make me offer and then come back several hours later and see if i was successful. The positive of having a job is i can spend money on tokens which means i give Nordeus money....Not happening now as there is no point. Their business will fail, the decisions they are making are ridiculous and will mean players leave the game, without players they wont achieve anything

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

Ok, so if you buy your players for 1 or 2 tokens, you'll be getting 70-75% players aged 20+, because on my list anything above sells for min. 5 tokens now.

Apart from that the squads that are always in my league have 105%+ within a week everytime.
How can I compete with that if I buy 70-75% players? Those wouldn't even make my bench and take too long to get up to 100%+
Normally the average age of my squad is already between 20-22 and 100% after week 1.

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With 1 max 3 tokens for season and 800/900 rests pack I'm able to mantain a 130% team that at the end of the season reach 140%. All that without tanking or manipulate the draw.
It's a question of training plan and patience. You won't build a strong team in a season, but in several.

Yes, but how much time do you spend on the game + 800/900 rest packs, lets say you get 300 a season free you'd still need to buy 500, from which you can get 50 for 46 tokens = 460 tokens. Cheap indeed....

False. Every formation of with the right players can be the best

LEVEL 2 : league 1 , cup 1 and this season tremble. ;)

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

Yes, but how much time do you spend on the game + 800/900 rest packs, lets say you get 300 a season free you'd still need to buy 500, from which you can get 50 for 46 tokens = 460 tokens. Cheap indeed....

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No, 800/900 rests packs free every season, without paying. Only watching videos you gain 700 in a season. the other with subs, daily rewards, some friendlies, some event prize and so on... Time spent to collect the free packs max 20 minutes per day...

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Originally Posted by LOS ABRANTES FC

No, 800/900 rests packs free every season, without paying. Only watching videos you gain 700 in a season. the other with subs, daily rewards, some friendlies, some event prize and so on... Time spent to collect the free packs max 20 minutes per day...

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so you dont use any greens rest of season ?

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Originally Posted by iansyorkcityfc

so you dont use any greens rest of season ?

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Generally no. Only if i have two importants away matchs in a short time... But i spend them very hardly.

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[QUOTE=LOS ABRANTES FC;606108]Generally no. Only if i have two importants away matchs in a short time... But i spend them very hardly.

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so no inbetween game training at all

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Originally Posted by LOS ABRANTES FC

Generally no. Only if i have two importants away matchs in a short time... But i spend them very hardly.

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so no inbetween game training at all

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The massive training is made first two days.
Between games I train just the minimum to exploit the 6% recover every three hours.
For exemple if between two game there are four 6% increase (24%) and the player has 82% of energy, i train him till reach 75% in order to be full recovered for next match.
The other 15 videos per day i use too to train players. But generally i choose only a player or two that still have a some train ability and pump him/them up. The others improve with daily games...
This way generally the overall quality of the team reach the 140% at the end of the season

After every match I train losing 6.75 condition multiple 2 = 13.50 condition.
I use the force recovery ( whole squad ) healing twice = 16 rest packs.
If needed, I use some 2-3 packs more, but that's rare.
This is my daily basis train and heal ( 2-3 matches per day ).
In the end the math is : 25 vids + 15 direct recover.
25 - 16 = 9 packs stored.
You do the rest of the formulae till the end of the season :D

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Originally Posted by iptables

After every match I train losing 6.75 condition multiple 2 = 13.50 condition.
I use the force recovery ( whole squad ) healing twice = 16 rest packs.
If needed, I use some 2-3 packs more, but that's rare.
This is my daily basis train and heal ( 2-3 matches per day ).
In the end the math is : 25 vids + 15 direct recover.
25 - 16 = 9 packs stored.
You do the rest of the formulae till the end of the season :D

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as a small experiment i too bought a 1 token player AML as want to replace current one, 66% at beginning after just over 100 greens hes now 94% so with right patience enough greens saved yes you can build a very good side prob for under 10 tokens at a stretch

So you watch 700 videos every season? That means 30 sec per video = 350 min, or rounded off 6 hours of watching videos every 28 days?

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

So you watch 700 videos every season? That means 30 sec per video = 350 min, or rounded off 6 hours of watching videos every 28 days?

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I watch 1120 for season, 700 for the green packs and the rest for direct player recovery. But I think that 99,9% of people that play this game do this. It's nothing abnormal. You can do this when you're at the toilet, having breakfast, watching TV.
The alternative is pay for tokens or build ****ty teams :)

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Originally Posted by LOS ABRANTES FC

I watch 1120 for season, 700 for the green packs and the rest for direct player recovery. But I think that 99,9% of people that play this game do this. It's nothing abnormal. You can do this when you're at the toilet, having breakfast, watching TV.
The alternative is pay for tokens or build ****ty teams :)

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I never needed to watch that many videos and never needed to pay for tokens, and still always had 5*/6* teams. Watching that many videos seems like a waste of time for a phone game. Surely there's something else you can do with that time without needing to watch advertisements?

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I never needed to watch that many videos and never needed to pay for tokens, and still always had 5*/6* teams. Watching that many videos seems like a waste of time for a phone game. Surely there's something else you can do with that time without needing to watch advertisements?

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At the level I'm at if you start a season with a 5* team you will win absolutely nothing. Minimum of a 6* team within day one will make you slightly competitive.
If you're not a token buyer then the 600 videos a season are a must really to have any chance on my server.

It's "tapping for videos" not "watching videos" at least this was always for me when I was doing this(not anymore lol) so I don't know what others are saying about seconds, minutes, hours of time wasted, I was always doing something enjoyable while I was farming for greens.

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I never needed to watch that many videos and never needed to pay for tokens, and still always had 5*/6* teams. Watching that many videos seems like a waste of time for a phone game. Surely there's something else you can do with that time without needing to watch advertisements?

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Well, when you're pooing or having breakfast the other thing you could do is reading newspapers. Really 20 minutes per day clicking on a blue button are so unaffordable?

Anyway no one need to spend time on a phone game if he thinks that is a waste of time. But you can't complain that is impossible to build competitive teams.
You build 5/6* teams and you're happy with it. I build 7/8* teams and I'm happy with it.
There are people that manages 3/4 accounts and they're happy with it.
I've never spent a cent on this game or other games and never will, others spend some moneys, others spend a lot of money. Everyone manage his time and money as he prefer... That's all.

This is what we call hardcore players.
Once upon a time I was farming for 4 teams, playing with 3 or 4 of them (one season I won three trebles with them).
I guess many players doing that daily farming for training and upselling their players.

It's not a boring or a tiring thing. I study for my exams and I just click the blue button every 30 minutes. You don't have to watch them but just click button every 30 seconds. For example, right now I watch TV. Every 30 seconds I click a blue button but I Don't see the ad. Nothing to worry about it

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Yes it is, not all of us study for exams.. I work 10 hours a day average, with travel it's 12 hours and go to the gym daily in which I can't get my phone out every 10 minutes. When I get home and finished diner it's 21:30 and play on xbox for an hour or 2 before going to sleep.

So I can't spam the video button just because there's hardly another option to get a decend squad. And because it's either watching videos or having to pay ****loads on tokens to be able to compete is utter ****...

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Originally Posted by LOS ABRANTES FC

Well, when you're pooing or having breakfast the other thing you could do is reading newspapers. Really 20 minutes per day clicking on a blue button are so unaffordable?

Anyway no one need to spend time on a phone game if he thinks that is a waste of time. But you can't complain that is impossible to build competitive teams.
You build 5/6* teams and you're happy with it. I build 7/8* teams and I'm happy with it.
There are people that manages 3/4 accounts and they're happy with it.
I've never spent a cent on this game or other games and never will, others spend some moneys, others spend a lot of money. Everyone manage his time and money as he prefer... That's all.

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7/8* teams? What a waste of time! LMAO :cool:

It's a phone game. Take up a real hobby like running, cooking, or anything that will actually help you in life.

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Originally Posted by jcohen42

7/8* teams? What a waste of time! LMAO :cool:

It's a phone game. Take up a real hobby like running, cooking, or anything that will actually help you in life.

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You run having breakfast, or pooing?
I work, I study, I take care of my wife, my daughter, i do gym, i sleep and i play this game. Take care of your life that I'm happy with mine. [emoji3]


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I would advice you to stay for 1 season in the same level then Barrie.
There is always an option. The next season you will have a decent amount of green packs saved if you don't put efforts to hard train your team as I did while stayed the same lvl :)

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Originally Posted by LOS ABRANTES FC

You run having breakfast, or pooing?
I work, I study, I take care of my wife, my daughter, i do gym, i sleep and i play this game. Take care of your life that I'm happy with mine. [emoji3]

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I applaud your family for dealing with you playing your phone game. ;)

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I applaud your family for dealing with you playing your phone game. ;)

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Soooo if you don't apparently play the game anymore and still use the forum for whatever important reason... Then don't YOU have better things to do than comment on something irrelevant? Is this helping you in life? Its kind of supercilious of you, just saying.

But that's the whole point. You shouldn't be purposely having to stay in the same division, just to get a squad that can compete. That was what the negotiations were good for.

I'm on lvl 26 and when I check the transferlist 95% of the time all players are absolute garbage and if the decend ones are for the positions you already have good players, you're bound to buy the far too overpriced players from the scoutinglist.

Noticed that half of the ppl of my friendslist have stopped playing already because of this and know they bought monthly cards each season. The majority of the spenders play the game like that and think most of them will stop spending or stop playing.

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

But that's the whole point. You shouldn't be purposely having to stay in the same division, just to get a squad that can compete. That was what the negotiations were good for.

I'm on lvl 26 and when I check the transferlist 95% of the time all players are absolute garbage and if the decend ones are for the positions you already have good players, you're bound to buy the far too overpriced players from the scoutinglist.

Noticed that half of the ppl of my friendslist have stopped playing already because of this and know they bought monthly cards each season. The majority of the spenders play the game like that and think most of them will stop spending or stop playing.

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remember that if you have a bad squad, you also get worse opposition, so at the end of the day it doesnt make a huge difference if you decide to spend a lot of freetime to watch videos or not. you can still be succesful without it, with the right approach.

on my other team I maybe watch videos every other day and only have the association tokens available. (i just use the greens for one player to get him up to 140% every season to set goal records and stuff) still i compete for the treble every season just by keeping my team quality under 100% and sell some players at the end where I want to buy replacements anyway.

edit: still I think that removing negos was probably one of the worst things Nordeus ever did. because like you said, many people i know also bought the monthly card and buy 5-6 new nego players every season to get to a 100% team. They will probably loose some of these players. so from a financial perspective this was also really dumb and i dont see any advantages from it for nordeus.

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Originally Posted by Barrie Baflap

Yes it is, not all of us study for exams.. I work 10 hours a day average, with travel it's 12 hours and go to the gym daily in which I can't get my phone out every 10 minutes. When I get home and finished diner it's 21:30 and play on xbox for an hour or 2 before going to sleep.

So I can't spam the video button just because there's hardly another option to get a decend squad. And because it's either watching videos or having to pay ****loads on tokens to be able to compete is utter ****...

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The saying (for pretty much anything in life) is that you can pick two of these three, but never all of them: quality, cheap, quick.

If you want quality for cheap, it's not going to be quick.

If you want quality quickly, it's not going to be cheap.

If you want something cheap and quick, it's not going to have good quality.


If you really don't have time for the videos, you might have to take it even slower and focus on acquiring 18-19 year olds from the transfer market, train them down below 30% every night, let them lose all their league matches (because they are too fatigued to play), and then maybe do that for 1-2 more seasons to get them high enough to make a run at your league when they are 21-22 years old.

I used to train my players and always wanted a 7 star team by the end of the season requiring time and quality young players.
This was before my friend who doesnt do **** joined me and had a 4 star team mostly and outdid me trophy wise.
It could be he was lower level but even now he is winning with minimal effort. My opponents are like close to 6 star while his are like 4 star max.

No point having such a good team, the stronger your team the stronger your opponents.
Since i started doing less, i started winning more. Your opponents are weaker and mostly inactive.
Or they log in once in awhile and never train their teams.

The transfer market is adequate because of the quality draw.
This is just my 2 cents worth but to each his own.

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I used to train my players and always wanted a 7 star team by the end of the season requiring time and quality young players.
This was before my friend who doesnt do **** joined me and had a 4 star team mostly and outdid me trophy wise.
It could be he was lower level but even now he is winning with minimal effort. My opponents are like close to 6 star while his are like 4 star max.

No point having such a good team, the stronger your team the stronger your opponents.
Since i started doing less, i started winning more. Your opponents are weaker and mostly inactive.
Or they log in once in awhile and never train their teams.

The transfer market is adequate because of the quality draw.
This is just my 2 cents worth but to each his own.

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You may be right in the assumption that running a 4 star team while doing the bare minimum can get more wins and more trophies but it would be as you say against mostly abandoned teams so to my way of thinking then you win against nobody so means even less and seriously where is the fun in that after say your third or fourth treble season. It would bore me out of the game so quickly but I guess if its a self esteem/bragging rights thing then go for it.
I would much rather fight hard ,do the work training the team , developing tactics etc in a League that has a good amount of competitive teams and come third knowing I gave it my best rather than a walk up treble season gained with no effort. Each to their own desires though.

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You may be right in the assumption that running a 4 star team while doing the bare minimum can get more wins and more trophies but it would be as you say against mostly abandoned teams so to my way of thinking then you win against nobody so means even less and seriously where is the fun in that after say your third or fourth treble season. It would bore me out of the game so quickly but I guess if its a self esteem/bragging rights thing then go for it.
I would much rather fight hard ,do the work training the team , developing tactics etc in a League that has a good amount of competitive teams and come third knowing I gave it my best rather than a walk up treble season gained with no effort. Each to their own desires though.

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You arent complaining about the transfer system so its fine. I feel those who are complaining that it sucks or its too tough without negotiations should keep in mind there is a quality draw in place. You can still win without negotiations and effort since we are grouped on quality. I mean all of us find a way to play the best we can based on how much time we can commit. And if one doesnt have time, nothing wrong with winning using a 4 star team and such. I agree with you that there isnt much fun without effort and competition but just look at how widespread and accepted tanking has become. I believe many players would rather just win trophies since no one can tell if you manipulated or how many seasons you took to win all those trophies. Even our 'Hall of Fame' is based on total trophies per level. Tankers can totally dominate that

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Originally Posted by EastsiderSG

I used to train my players and always wanted a 7 star team by the end of the season requiring time and quality young players.
This was before my friend who doesnt do **** joined me and had a 4 star team mostly and outdid me trophy wise.
It could be he was lower level but even now he is winning with minimal effort. My opponents are like close to 6 star while his are like 4 star max.

No point having such a good team, the stronger your team the stronger your opponents.
Since i started doing less, i started winning more. Your opponents are weaker and mostly inactive.
Or they log in once in awhile and never train their teams.

The transfer market is adequate because of the quality draw.
This is just my 2 cents worth but to each his own.

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What level are you at?
I'm at 62 and I can guarantee you that if I start the season with a 3* team I'll draw a 6 or 7* team in the first round of the Cup and my CL group will be 5 or 6*
When the league draw comes around 8 or 9 of the teams will be high 5* getting close to 6* and I'd be left scrambling around at the bottom. :)
Manipulation doesn't work so much in the higher servers.

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What level are you at?
I'm at 62 and I can guarantee you that if I start the season with a 3* team I'll draw a 6 or 7* team in the first round of the Cup and my CL group will be 5 or 6*
When the league draw comes around 8 or 9 of the teams will be high 5* getting close to 6* and I'd be left scrambling around at the bottom. :)
Manipulation doesn't work so much in the higher servers.

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I am only at level 13 and i really dont know whats it like at higher levels but i do see some high levels getting trebles and such. Look at the hall of fame. Anyway, everyone has to workaround and there will still be those who will continue to do well without negotiations and those who give up. And i do not believe everyone here is at your level. I do sympathise with high level players. Everyone is forced to tank! I dont expect anyone of low quality like you mentioned. I believe someone has already mentioned like its end game at high levels and the game is catered for new players thus encouraging us to tank and stay low level as long as possible to accumulate trophies.

Anyway, at your level i believe even negotiations isnt good enough. In fact, isnt auctions better? Like for quality young fast trainers?

Despite what my signature says ,it only represents mt lowest team -level 3 ,my highest level team is level 21 so only just mid tier I guess. With that team I find most dissapointingly that there may be 5-6 competitive teams and the rest are or should be easy beats in the league. I try to have my team at 115-120% by season end so I get a decent start next season and turnover 3-4 players for fresh 18y/o ft players at the most. I fill my squad 12 -16 with players of 2-3 positions at around 80+ % to cover red cards and maybe 4-5 players after that just for training purposes. CL and Cup competition is usually very competitive mostly.
So really the transfer market ,auction or negotiations arent that large in my thinking and I can afford to spend the time and coin needed to get the few players required. I think mostly it is the managers without time or a good squad set up who have a little trouble with transfers and with the addition of the hard core perpetual whiners that we hear a lot from.
Would I like to see the transfer/nego system improved ? Is there a better way for negos to happen ? Sure I would and yes there is a better way. Does the current system bother or hinder me playing the game ? Not in the slightest at the moment and doesnt have much of an impact on my level 3 team either because it is getting a squad setup similar to my level 21 team ,next season I only need to buy 4 players to be where I want it to be and clearly by my signature stats it is a competitive and successful team already.

Yup i agree there is always room for improvements and there have been some good suggestions in the feedback section. Competitions wise, i am already out of the cup and probably will not win my league and i compete with everyone else on the auction market as well. Seems fair to me, everyone shopping for players at the same place. Players who commit more time or tokens benefit instead of players with multiple accounts.

The hardcore whiners can keep going. It was like that when they adjusted the transfer system. It was like that when they removed the GK training. I think it was like that when Donald Trump was elected as well. lol. In the end, nothing changes.

Never said that getting quality quickly is either cheap or time consuming, but have found 1 player on the transferlist which I was able to use in my squad.

Through negotiations I was able to set my squad up by buying 5 or 6 players for +- 70 tokens and sometimes a recommendation for 79 tokens. Don't know what you think is cheap, but I don't consider that to be cheap.

Now that negotiations are only available in the week where they are useless, you have to rely on players from the transferlist. If you don't have time to spend 2 hours a day watching videos you're basically screwed, as you're forced to buy scouted players for 40-70 each.

Don't see why they changed the only good thing about the whole transfermarket

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Never said that getting quality quickly is either cheap or time consuming, but have found 1 player on the transferlist which I was able to use in my squad.

Through negotiations I was able to set my squad up by buying 5 or 6 players for +- 70 tokens and sometimes a recommendation for 79 tokens. Don't know what you think is cheap, but I don't consider that to be cheap.

Now that negotiations are only available in the week where they are useless, you have to rely on players from the transferlist. If you don't have time to spend 2 hours a day watching videos you're basically screwed, as you're forced to buy scouted players for 40-70 each.

Don't see why they changed the only good thing about the whole transfermarket

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I spend less than 20 mins watching all 40 possible videos as many are less 30 seconds. Its not that bad! 😀