Best defence in the league but finished 8th!

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05-25-2019
Sol Survivor

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Best defence in the league but finished 8th!

Admin, stick this in tactics if you think it needs to be there, wasn't sure. So Level 5 this season and had a bizarre season. I can't score goals despite having a decent enough side. I'm 8th with the best defence in the League. 104% is my overall rating and that's the same or better than everyone above me except the guy who's top. I've tried loads of different formations, I've tried arrows, I've tried no arrows!

If the attachment works, the screenshots below show the following;

-My Current formation
-My current tactics
-My current team lineup stats
-One of my old formations
-The second of my old formations

Bizarrely I had the best guy in the league to play today. He's already won the league but fielded his top team. Rated 124%, and I ruddy beat him 2-0!!!! I used one of my old formations you can see below that has 2 strikers.

Any guys on the higher levels who have been playing a while got any tips? Seems my players are good enough, but I just can't score goals. The amount of 0-0's or 1-0 defeats I've had has been ridiculous!
05-25-2019
khris

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05-25-2019
khris

Btw, always, always, High pressing and Man to Man defense style.^^ these 2 options have the bonus applied in exchange of condition.
05-25-2019
Der_Ryan_M

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Originally Posted by khris

Btw, always, always, High pressing and Man to Man defense style.^^ these 2 options have the bonus applied in exchange of condition.

What bonus applied?
05-25-2019
khris

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

What bonus applied?

Don't you remember in September 2015? there was an update, and suddenly these 2 options had a condition usage increasing in exchnage of one attacking and a defensive bonus applied, but everybody started using them always and it was consuming the 50% or more of the condition per match so, after just a week, the condition consumption was reduced and the bonuses stayed there.
And they still there. You know preety well that this game isn'tn tactical, there's no strict sens about how to use a MtM or Zonal making, or low pressure/high.
Otherwise it would be "very clear" what to do in each case at this point, after 9 yerars of TE.

So, all, all here are just options, in ON-OFF so that can matter or not in a match scenario. One day will save you the win bonus, another the condition will be in OFF and you'll win without condition, etc and, in the case of these 2 options, they increase the chances as the training bonuses do when you train them till 10%, is a perceptible advantadge really in that case.
05-25-2019
Der_Ryan_M

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Originally Posted by khris

Don't you remember in September 2015? there was an update, and suddenly these 2 options had a condition usage increasing in exchnage of one attacking and a defensive bonus applied, but everybody started using them always and it was consuming the 50% or more of the condition per match so, after just a week, the condition consumption was reduced and the bonuses stayed there.
And they still there. You know preety well that this game isn'tn tactical, there's no strict sens about how to use a MtM or Zonal making, or low pressure/high.
Otherwise it would be "very clear" what to do in each case at this point, after 9 yerars of TE.

So, all, all here are just options, in ON-OFF so that can matter or not in a match scenario. One day will save you the win bonus, another the condition will be in OFF and you'll win without condition, etc and, in the case of these 2 options, they increase the chances as the training bonuses do when you train them till 10%, is a perceptible advantadge really in that case.

Hm okay, I almost never use man to man or high pressing. It just takes more condition and when I tried it, I didn't really see a difference or my team performing a lot better. That's why it's always low pressing and zonal for me.
Do you have proof that your team is better when turning these things on? It would make sense, that it improves your game when it also takes more condition as well. But I know many people who always play like this and are very succesful.
05-25-2019
khris

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Hm okay, I almost never use man to man or high pressing. It just takes more condition and when I tried it, I didn't really see a difference or my team performing a lot better. That's why it's always low pressing and zonal for me.
Do you have proof that your team is better when turning these things on? It would make sense, that it improves your game when it also takes more condition as well. But I know many people who always play like this and are very succesful.

Proofs don't exist here xD all is about have the right options to cover as many options that could be in ON, to resume it. And the "right" is something random, maybe you have the right players that during the season will perform better compared with other teams, despite the AvQ that other oppos can have.
Another season, the defensive tactic will be a epic fail. And as said, today the condition at 0% will not matter, and tomorrow, yes.

I remember some examples with these "dynamic variables" too when we saw reports of teams that had 8* + 1*'s facing entire 8* teams, the same the 8+1*'s could win than lose 0-5.

So, are affecting these 2 options during the matches? in a minimal % and time to time. Nothing is absolute here XD
05-25-2019
nikolgiorgos

As plan B, high pressing and mtm might give something extra but cannot use it for 2 games per day, with the same squad.
Only for critical games.

Also do not set counters + short passing. Set normal or long sometimes.
Your formation is ok but needs two good wingers. Try to find and invest to a couple of young fast trainers and make them 7*.
There is no point of having a MC 7* but not AMs. Those are the key players, not MC, GK or ST.
Try to farm everyday 25 greens (plus few extra condition button).
So you must play from android for that, not pc version.

Read some threads from the Tutorials section.
05-25-2019
khris

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Try to farm everyday 25 greens (plus few extra condition button).
So you must play from android for that, not pc version.

Read some threads from the Tutorials section.

"Join Date Jul 2014"

:rolleyes: lol
05-26-2019
Massimiliano

Let me ad just a couple of comments: with that formation, without changing any player or position, I would use mixed focus also, not both flanks. You are not so strong on the flanks, plus you have AMC.

I think the forward arrow on Pogba is not good. Being the only MC, he should contribute equally to attack and defense.

You should have a good MC option in your reserve to insert a mc replacing either the dmc or the amc in certain games or moments of the game.

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05-26-2019
Sol Survivor

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Originally Posted by khris

"Join Date Jul 2014"

:rolleyes: lol

Ha ha. Yeah, I originally played this game 5 years ago but deleted it, but just started playing again in January.
05-27-2019
iansyorkcityfc

that's nothing Man City once won the old league 1 in uk then following season got relegated but scored more goals than any other side in league thus becoming only side to win Championship and then get relegated following season
05-28-2019
davideio

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

As plan B, high pressing and mtm might give something extra but cannot use it for 2 games per day, with the same squad.
Only for critical games.

Also do not set counters + short passing. Set normal or long sometimes.
Your formation is ok but needs two good wingers. Try to find and invest to a couple of young fast trainers and make them 7*.
There is no point of having a MC 7* but not AMs. Those are the key players, not MC, GK or ST.
Try to farm everyday 25 greens (plus few extra condition button).
So you must play from android for that, not pc version.

Read some threads from the Tutorials section.

what do you mean? I expected that GK and ST were the most important roles on which to build my team :(
05-28-2019
nikolgiorgos

not in TE.
GK is a cosmetic part of the game.
It's expressing the "good or bad" luck, the roll dice of the game.
For example if you 're playing vs a much weaker team and the scenario is to win with 1-0 or get a draw or loose, the oppo GK will make 5 or more saves and will become the man of the match.
In next three games that GK maybe will get nothing and has a rate of 6.
At old times, before auto-subs, you could play with an injured GK and not conceded a goal.
You could use a DC as GK also and not conceded a goal if you are much stronger or that is the scenario (not to loose a match).
The only thing you can do is to have a GK with some high quality so to contributes to defense and general quality of the team and sometimes it's useful to have a special ability .

ST- if you 're playing with AML-AMC-AMR those are the scorers and the stars in TE.
ST is there just to keep busy oppo defenders. If a ST scores every second game, you must be pleased with him.
Great scorers ST are only when you set them for free-kicks and penalties.
If you 're playing with 2 or 3 STs (and no wingers), then maybe one of them will be good.
05-28-2019
TomasoBG

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Originally Posted by Massimiliano

Let me ad just a couple of comments: with that formation, without changing any player or position, I would use mixed focus also, not both flanks. You are not so strong on the flanks, plus you have AMC.

I think the forward arrow on Pogba is not good. Being the only MC, he should contribute equally to attack and defense.

You should have a good MC option in your reserve to insert a mc replacing either the dmc or the amc in certain games or moments of the game.

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I totally agree with Massimiliano. Just another hint from my experience: use a DMC only when your Opponent plays with an AMC. If there is no AMC you don‘t need a DMC, Theo Play with two MC.
06-03-2019
Hejst

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Originally Posted by TomasoBG

I totally agree with Massimiliano. Just another hint from my experience: use a DMC only when your Opponent plays with an AMC. If there is no AMC you don‘t need a DMC, Theo Play with two MC.

What I have learned from this forum is that it doesn't matter if the oppo has an amc or not. Dmc is there to cut the oppo's long passes. So it would mean that dmc is not against enemys formation but tactics. I don't know if this is true or not, but maybe Nik will tell us how it goes.
06-03-2019
nikolgiorgos

I agree

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If oppo has DMC or DML-R play mix,
because many lines of oppo squad (attackers- midf. players - DMs) make long pass more difficult to work,
If he isn't using DM, set long pass.
But be careful with the comments of assistant.
If he mention that oppo cuts out pass, switch to mix

I wrote about that here #6
https://forum.topeleven.com/formatio...%A6-guide.html
Presence of a DMC reduces the effect of counter attacks with long pass even if opponent doesn't have AMC, only AML-AMR.
Also if oppo doesn't have DMC, it's worthy to try long pass (but must be careful).