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    I don't think most managers are angry at the unexpected losses per say, but more at the games where they are the superior team, and games stats are fully in their favor after the game but they still end up losing or drawing. It shouldn't only be against weaker teams that we spot these problems because you might play a team that is near in percentage to you and you still lose regardless of the fact that stats are fully in your favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior King View Post
    I don't think most managers are angry at the unexpected losses per say, but more at the games where they are the superior team, and games stats are fully in their favor after the game but they still end up losing or drawing. It shouldn't only be against weaker teams that we spot these problems because you might play a team that is near in percentage to you and you still lose regardless of the fact that stats are fully in your favor.
    Agreed, though I think you can also see it against comparable teams as well, like when there is a 5% difference and you cream them 8-0. I remember a game where I was 5% stronger than an opponent and I ended up losing 5-1 (he had 6 shots on target).

    I do think the frequency of the trolls is problematic. When I get a troll result, like the unexpected tie against a team 15-20% weaker, if I play against another team with similar quality right afterwards, I am almost always right in predicting I will lose that match too. Also, it is always strange when you see a game you dominated and they scored 3 goals against you with a 100% accuracy rate. Meanwhile, you are stuck at a 12% accuracy rate.

    Going back to the fixed games, there are certain things I believe you should expect and certain situations that are unreasonable. If you play defensive, you expect to get scored against on long shots, not take 3 goals on counters where your entire team, for some reason, is at the midfield point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1986 View Post
    Agreed, though I think you can also see it against comparable teams as well, like when there is a 5% difference and you cream them 8-0. I remember a game where I was 5% stronger than an opponent and I ended up losing 5-1 (he had 6 shots on target).

    I do think the frequency of the trolls is problematic. When I get a troll result, like the unexpected tie against a team 15-20% weaker, if I play against another team with similar quality right afterwards, I am almost always right in predicting I will lose that match too. Also, it is always strange when you see a game you dominated and they scored 3 goals against you with a 100% accuracy rate. Meanwhile, you are stuck at a 12% accuracy rate.

    Going back to the fixed games, there are certain things I believe you should expect and certain situations that are unreasonable. If you play defensive, you expect to get scored against on long shots, not take 3 goals on counters where your entire team, for some reason, is at the midfield point.
    Yeah, I agree with as well. It shouldn't be that way especially between teams that are near in ratings. In football upsets are always happening but they barely happen in a league or with teams that are so drastically apart in ratings. Trolls often happen when your team is sometimes in the best of form vs the weakest of teams. In the football world you can pin point factors that lead to unexpected results, but in Top Eleven, a game that they say tries to imitate the real world of football doesn't take that in consideration. You could be winning 7 to 8 games in a row in a specific competition, and then you play a weaker team and you unexpectedly lose or draw. One two unexplainable draws and losses are okay but when you have 5 to 10 of them in a season where there are like 40 games in total, that's shouldn't be.

    I think that Top Eleven should recalibrate their system and consider the number of these unexplainable results because per season it is too much in such a short time. Take Barcelona for instance, yes they have results that are unexpected but they are not so much. When they are in form their games are grsst and when they're having a bad season you can tell. Top Eleven should consider that and make the ratio relative to the amount of time in a season. And in games effort should be rewarded and not how they think the game should turn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior King View Post
    Yeah, I agree with as well. It shouldn't be that way especially between teams that are near in ratings. In football upsets are always happening but they barely happen in a league or with teams that are so drastically apart in ratings. Trolls often happen when your team is sometimes in the best of form vs the weakest of teams. In the football world you can pin point factors that lead to unexpected results, but in Top Eleven, a game that they say tries to imitate the real world of football doesn't take that in consideration. You could be winning 7 to 8 games in a row in a specific competition, and then you play a weaker team and you unexpectedly lose or draw. One two unexplainable draws and losses are okay but when you have 5 to 10 of them in a season where there are like 40 games in total, that's shouldn't be.

    I think that Top Eleven should recalibrate their system and consider the number of these unexplainable results because per season it is too much in such a short time. Take Barcelona for instance, yes they have results that are unexpected but they are not so much. When they are in form their games are grsst and when they're having a bad season you can tell. Top Eleven should consider that and make the ratio relative to the amount of time in a season. And in games effort should be rewarded and not how they think the game should turn out.

    New troll result with me on the winning end.

    Champions League Round of 18 - playing at home with my 113% team against a 98% team.

    I showed up to the game at 45' and was the only spectator.

    Tactics: 4-5-1V style vs 4-4-2
    Possession: 66 vs 34
    Total Shots: 19 vs 12
    Shots on target: 9 vs 4
    Corners: 8 vs 9
    Saves: 3 vs 2
    Fouls: 10 vs 11
    Tackles: 26 vs 21

    So far, seems like a relatively even game.

    End Score: 7-0! This is nonsense. By all means, please tell me how this would happen in a real game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1986 View Post
    New troll result with me on the winning end.

    Champions League Round of 18 - playing at home with my 113% team against a 98% team.

    I showed up to the game at 45' and was the only spectator.

    Tactics: 4-5-1V style vs 4-4-2
    Possession: 66 vs 34
    Total Shots: 19 vs 12
    Shots on target: 9 vs 4
    Corners: 8 vs 9
    Saves: 3 vs 2
    Fouls: 10 vs 11
    Tackles: 26 vs 21

    So far, seems like a relatively even game.

    End Score: 7-0! This is nonsense. By all means, please tell me how this would happen in a real game.
    As you have said that shouldn't be. With teams at thay level it should be a game that is closely contested. Realistic blow outs in the Champions League are around 5-1 or 6-0 unless you meet an extremely weak team. Well blowouts are more common or should be more common in the group stages and not during the knockouts.

    I just played Champions League RO16, and I'm playing away and lost 3-1, but I beat the team 3-1 at home. I'm at 90% and he's at 79%. Losses can happen at that difference but the stats don't show up. I was there form the start of the game and he wasn't.
    Tactucs: 4-5-1V vs 4-5-1V
    Possessions: 25 vs 75
    Shots: 16 vs 24
    Shots on target: 6 vs 10
    Completed papsses: 80% vs 85%
    Corners: 4 vs 9
    Saves: 5 vs 1
    Red cards: 1 vs 0

    That guy nearly did a comeback on me in the RO16. Lol!!!!