Need a reasonable reply from Nordeus about my first Cup match. It's weid :(

I'm at level 6 and just won the Leage and the Champion in the season 5. In the past 3 seasons, I've never been defeated by any upper level with 3 goals differenced. But in the first game in Cup competion this season (I'm home and play with level 8), I lost 1-7. That's weid, I thought. Hereby is my attached picture of the match. And I need a reasonable reply from Nordeus about their game engine. Also, I need your comments about this case.
Thanks for reading. My appology of my poor English.
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Wow... you expect to win in any match? Lol :p

I think your formation is kill yourself... 2MC vs His 3MC and your lonely striker against his 3 DC?

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Originally Posted by Mister Q

Wow... you expect to win in any match? Lol :p

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No. I really accept loosing. But lost at that such result 1-7 is something unreal. Remember last season I plays with many teams whose levels are higher than mine, but I have been deafeated only with the results 1-0 or 2-1 or 3-1. So 7-1 is very strange.

Maybe little thing called 'NGE' made your lose... but I'm sorry to say but your formation made you lost...

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Originally Posted by Mister Q

I think your formation is kill yourself... 2MC vs His 3MC and your lonely striker against his 3 DC?

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Do you realise the posession ? thats 54-46 for my team. And as I said, I accept the lost, but dont accept the deep lost result.
BTW, my GK's rating and the defend line's rating are above the average. Why did I was defeated by 7 goals ???

Okay I got it... your possesion win against him.. but if you count the shooting chance or attackin chance?

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Originally Posted by tannguyen

Do you realise the posession ? thats 54-46 for my team. And as I said, I accept the lost, but dont accept the deep lost result.
BTW, my GK's rating and the defend line's rating are above the average. Why did I was defeated by 7 goals ???

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changes has been made by them
6:1,7:1,5:0 happened on my server too this season

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Originally Posted by tannguyen

Do you realise the posession ? thats 54-46 for my team. And as I said, I accept the lost, but dont accept the deep lost result.
BTW, my GK's rating and the defend line's rating are above the average. Why did I was defeated by 7 goals ???

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changes has been made by them
6:1,7:1,5:0 happened on my server too this season

http://s20.postimg.org/s2bckkdvx/image.jpg

It's very, very unreal. Fk the game. Waiste time and physical strength. Thinking of quitting, haizzz

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Originally Posted by tannguyen

I'm at level 6 and just won the Leage and the Champion in the season 5. In the past 3 seasons, I've never been defeated by any upper level with 3 goals differenced. But in the first game in Cup competion this season (I'm home and play with level 8), I lost 1-7. That's weid, I thought. Hereby is my attached picture of the match. And I need a reasonable reply from Nordeus about their game engine. Also, I need your comments about this case.
Thanks for reading. My appology of my poor English.
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I am aware that 3-5-2 is the great counter for 4-5-1, but I did not know it would do this well against 4-5-1 V

regardless, the NGE is fickle and gave more goals that I would have expected with these formations, but by all rights you were going to lose with this formation combined with his higher quality. Who knows what his instructions were and they could have made a difference.

I am in the same boat as you, losing 5-1 in the first leg and I cant recall losing by 4 goals in any games except 1 CL game, but I get your point.

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Originally Posted by Mister Q

I think your formation is kill yourself... 2MC vs His 3MC and your lonely striker against his 3 DC?

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Dude, you missed out smth. His 2 wingers attk both flanks??

For me, there is nth wrong with formation. I am always win over 3-5-2 with 4-5-1 V-style.

I think his concern is not about losing match. Its about 1-7.....

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Originally Posted by Shanghai Shenhua

changes has been made by them
6:1,7:1,5:0 happened on my server too this season

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I agreed.

If I'm not wrong, they usually change formation engine every new season...

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Originally Posted by ice87s

I agreed.

If I'm not wrong, they usually change formation engine every new season...

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Yep, that's right. As I saw (I'm now lv6), lst season's best formation was:3N-1-3W-1-2. Season 4 (mine) was 4-4-2. Season 3 was: 4-1-2-1-2. So maybe 3-5-2 flat will be the better formation in this season ???

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Yep, that's right. As I saw (I'm now lv6), lst season's best formation was:3N-1-3W-1-2. Season 4 (mine) was 4-4-2. Season 3 was: 4-1-2-1-2. So maybe 3-5-2 flat will be the better formation in this season ???

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I beat a higher rated opponent with 3-5-2 (2dmc though) yesterday, he was 4-3-3

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Originally Posted by ice87s

Dude, you missed out smth. His 2 wingers attk both flanks??

For me, there is nth wrong with formation. I am always win over 3-5-2 with 4-5-1 V-style.

I think his concern is not about losing match. Its about 1-7.....

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How bout 7* he saw ST against his saw 5* GK that's mean his opponent only saw 3* GK? I think 1-7 is fair result....

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How bout 7* he saw ST against his saw 5* GK that's mean his opponent only saw 3* GK? I think 1-7 is fair result....

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Maybe you dont know that my GK's exact quality is 45.9 and he needs only 3 skills to reach Q46. And have you ever played with 7*ST vs 3*GK but your ST cant score at least a goal ??? Last season, my 7*ST always missed such chances like that and I have just sold him for $10M. As far as I know, he can win me, even win 4-0 or 4-1, but 7-1 is an unacceptable result.
BTW, thankyou for all of your comments. I will go on with my Leage and C1, not concern about the CUP competition in this season.

Formation is the matter here

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Originally Posted by Hear_break_kid

Formation is the matter here

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No. Game engine is the matter here. It's ridiculous, they make you feel guilty even though you did everything they advertised and still got humiliated.

1-7 here is a load of ****. This kind of happened to me yesterday in my cup game I lost 1-5 against slightly stronger (3Q) opposition. Yes I don't mind losing, because we all lose but the losing margin here is just a total load of bollocks from the GE

If you were to lose here then a score like 0-2 or 1-3 should of been the score, not 1-7.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

1-7 here is a load of ****. This kind of happened to me yesterday in my cup game I lost 1-5 against slightly stronger (3Q) opposition. Yes I don't mind losing, because we all lose but the losing margin here is just a total load of bollocks from the GE

If you were to lose here then a score like 0-2 or 1-3 should of been the score, not 1-7.

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Exactly. Losing is part of the game, but sometimes the results just dont make any sense.

Nordeus, a little tuning of the NGE is called for. People are crying out for this and you give no acknowledgement that you hear us.

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Originally Posted by Mister Q

How bout 7* he saw ST against his saw 5* GK that's mean his opponent only saw 3* GK? I think 1-7 is fair result....

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Then how abt his MC? Home side saw as 3*, that means MC is only 1* on away side??

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

1-7 here is a load of ****. This kind of happened to me yesterday in my cup game I lost 1-5 against slightly stronger (3Q) opposition. Yes I don't mind losing, because we all lose but the losing margin here is just a total load of bollocks from the GE

If you were to lose here then a score like 0-2 or 1-3 should of been the score, not 1-7.

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Thanks for your sympathy, and goog luck to you at the 2nd leg. I'll kill him tonight (away) to show my squad's quality with the same formation using at 1st leg. Also dream about the result 7-0 for me :v

Guys, these things happen in real life.

If you remember 'grey shirt gate' when Manchester United got pummeled 6-1 (might have been 6-2) by Southampton during one of the early Premier League years?

How about 4/5 seasons ago when Portsmouth beat Reading in the Premier League 7-4!!!

Then there's the Sheffield Weds humiliation, losing 8-0!!!!! against Newcastle.

It happens. The game engine will have it written in, it might have been a 1-2000 change that the outcome would be this huge, but the fact is, the odds are there.

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Guys, these things happen in real life.

If you remember 'grey shirt gate' when Manchester United got pummeled 6-1 (might have been 6-2) by Southampton during one of the early Premier League years?

How about 4/5 seasons ago when Portsmouth beat Reading in the Premier League 7-4!!!

Then there's the Sheffield Weds humiliation, losing 8-0!!!!! against Newcastle.

It happens. The game engine will have it written in, it might have been a 1-2000 change that the outcome would be this huge, but the fact is, the odds are there.

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Southampton 6-3 Man Utd. 1996, The Grey kits were dispatched at HT and man utd came out wearing blue+white for the second half. lol great game, classic.

aah Matt Le Tissier, now he could play!!!

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Southampton 6-3 Man Utd. 1996, The Grey kits were dispatched at HT and man utd came out wearing blue+white for the second half. lol great game, classic.

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lmao i won home cup game 1-0.
away, winning 3-1 with 30min in the tie to go.
his quality was about 3-4 less than me so i was expecting the win anyway. I watched the game and had 15% possession for both home and away. he didnt watch either game.

He scored 5 goals in the last 30 min...

final score: 6-3. overall cup: 6-4

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Originally Posted by kaiballz

lmao i won home cup game 1-0.
away, winning 3-1 with 30min in the tie to go.
his quality was about 3-4 less than me so i was expecting the win anyway. I watched the game and had 15% possession for both home and away. he didnt watch either game.

He scored 5 goals in the last 30 min...

final score: 6-3. overall cup: 6-4

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So the GE has decided to bump you right out of the cup when you were strolling into the next round?

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

Southampton 6-3 Man Utd. 1996, The Grey kits were dispatched at HT and man utd came out wearing blue+white for the second half. lol great game, classic.

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Ha ha, ok, perhaps I slightly exaggerated, but you get my drift :-).

As for 5 goals in the last 30 - i'd love to see a screenie of that.... I could point out games where over 5 goals have been scored in the last 30 mins though (Sheff U 3-0 up at half time against brighton, Brighton went 4-3 up, then Sheff U scored 2 and won 5-4).

Stop talking about tactics because it not exist such thing ... is how the game wants to end .
i saw many cup games with :
1` minute yellow and injured player
two yellow to same man in few minutes
injured players with out reason/foul
and match ends with really unrealistic score ...

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Stop talking about tactics because it not exist such thing ... is how the game wants to end .
i saw many cup games with :
1` minute yellow and injured player
two yellow to same man in few minutes
injured players with out reason/foul
and match ends with really unrealistic score ...

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Of course it is, the GE knows the outcome of the game before it's even started. It just takes all the input parameters (tactics, quality, possession) and throws them into a score matrix based on these parameters. Where there will be a possibility of all numbers of outcomes (perhaps up to 9-0 for each side) will be present.

From then it's just a random number generator that pics an entry in the matrix.

This is how most GE's work anyway.

If you're going to just blame Nordeus, you might aswell blame all randomly generated games, because they all use the same philosophy. I've played FM13 where Arsenal Lost 6-1 at Barca, then won the return leg 9-0.

THANK YOU!!!!

FINALLY someone who understands game engines.

This is what I have been trying to tell everyone, but they all have their heads up their asses.

Nordeus doesnt want to admit it because then people stop logging in to watch games and there goes the entertainment aspect of it.
And when the entertainment aspect is gone, so goes the tokens....and then the game.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

THANK YOU!!!!

FINALLY someone who understands game engines.

This is what I have been trying to tell everyone, but they all have their heads up their asses.

Nordeus doesnt want to admit it because then people stop logging in to watch games and there goes the entertainment aspect of it.
And when the entertainment aspect is gone, so goes the tokens....and then the game.

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Yeah, but logging on gives you the extra 8%, so the probability of a better result will EVER SO SLIGHTLY increase...

You can tell I'm a programmer can't you :-p.

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Yeah, but logging on gives you the extra 8%, so the probability of a better result will EVER SO SLIGHTLY increase...

You can tell I'm a programmer can't you :-p.

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What you said just contradicts your earlier post. if the result is pre-determined before the game, why bother logging in since the +8% means nothing already?

Are you saying that at first it predicts the outcome and then entertains us with the actual game where the manager can change the outcome? If so, i disagree with this part, because of previous tests done by other members, but it might be a possibility.

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What you said just contradicts your earlier post. if the result is pre-determined before the game, why bother logging in since the +8% means nothing already?

Are you saying that at first it predicts the outcome and then entertains us with the actual game where the manager can change the outcome? If so, i disagree with this part, because of previous tests done by other members, but it might be a possibility.

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Nope, the possession parameter is part of the matrix....I said this above.

Could work differently I guess, ie each minute there are params entered into a matrix....could be foul, a yellow, a red, a goal or nothing happen based on probabilities....

Either way, params and a matrix and a random number will be used at some point irrespective of the methods used.

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Originally Posted by scottyr

Of course it is, the GE knows the outcome of the game before it's even started. It just takes all the input parameters (tactics, quality, possession) and throws them into a score matrix based on these parameters. Where there will be a possibility of all numbers of outcomes (perhaps up to 9-0 for each side) will be present.

From then it's just a random number generator that pics an entry in the matrix.

This is how most GE's work anyway.

If you're going to just blame Nordeus, you might aswell blame all randomly generated games, because they all use the same philosophy. I've played FM13 where Arsenal Lost 6-1 at Barca, then won the return leg 9-0.

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i take it Messi was injured for return leg :)

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

So the GE has decided to bump you right out of the cup when you were strolling into the next round?

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bingo. i felt raped. really.

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Ha ha, ok, perhaps I slightly exaggerated, but you get my drift :-).

As for 5 goals in the last 30 - i'd love to see a screenie of that.... I could point out games where over 5 goals have been scored in the last 30 mins though (Sheff U 3-0 up at half time against brighton, Brighton went 4-3 up, then Sheff U scored 2 and won 5-4).

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here you go; for ur sadistic pleasure lol (my case is different though. all 5 goals were scored by the opponent lmao)

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