Can anyone explain this match for me?

[Shanghai Shenhua]

So glad I have stoped paying for this game last week

[Maor23]

yup sometimes this game gets really weird like that, happens to me more than usual for the last couple of seasons.

[Razz]

So glad I have stoped paying for this game last week

PSG
4-1-4-0-1
Hard attacking
Probably red arrows on the MCs, maybe blue arrows on the flanks.
Probably blue arrow on the DMC
Max win bonus
Players with superb morale and condition
Maybe counterattack or long passing, or both
Focus passing middle
Manager didn't watch match.

Newcastle
4-5-1V
Defensive or possibly hard defensive (with an attacking formation!)
Short passing?
Possibly hard tackling?
No or low win bonus OR poor morale or condition
Manager probably watched match.

PSG formation and tactics resulted in a lot of low chance, quick strike shots. Newcastle formation and tactics yielded very few shots. Can't tell you any more than that from the info provided.
But, I'm guessing you think you should have won because you have a scout team. All those stars and SAs should guarantee a win? LOL

Stars mean nothing. Those 3 and 4 star players could be 5 and 6 star quality in key skills. Even if they aren't, the skill difference between 6 stars (54) and 4 stars (44) isn't THAT great (about 20%)
So figure roughly a 25-30% total advantage (reflected in the possession advantage) countered by better tactics (3x more shots), makes it close to a tossup. So why would a draw be all that surprising? Even without a PSG tactical advantage, Newcastle at best would have what? 80-85% probability of winning?

[Shanghai Shenhua]

PSG
4-1-4-0-1
Hard attacking
Probably red arrows on the MCs, maybe blue arrows on the flanks.
Probably blue arrow on the DMC
Max win bonus
Players with superb morale and condition
Maybe counterattack or long passing, or both
Focus passing middle
Manager didn't watch match.

Newcastle
4-5-1V
Defensive or possibly hard defensive (with an attacking formation!)
Short passing?
Possibly hard tackling?
No or low win bonus OR poor morale or condition
Manager probably watched match.

PSG formation and tactics resulted in a lot of low chance, quick strike shots. Newcastle formation and tactics yielded very few shots. Can't tell you any more than that from the info provided.
But, I'm guessing you think you should have won because you have a scout team. All those stars and SAs should guarantee a win? LOL

Stars mean nothing. Those 3 and 4 star players could be 5 and 6 star quality in key skills. Even if they aren't, the skill difference between 6 stars (54) and 4 stars (44) isn't THAT great (about 20%)
So figure roughly a 25-30% total advantage (reflected in the possession advantage) countered by better tactics (3x more shots), makes it close to a tossup. So why would a draw be all that surprising? Even without a PSG tactical advantage, Newcastle at best would have what? 80-85% probability of winning?

max bonus
99% moral and 99% condition
def?why I need Def with this team?lol
hard def?!hahaha

better tactics?show me where is it?
16:6 shot and 9:2 SOG?

"Stars mean nothing. Those 3 and 4 star players could be 5 and 6 star quality in key skills. Even if they aren't, the skill difference between 6 stars (54) and 4 stars (44) isn't THAT great (about 20%)
"
if it means nothing,why T11 ask us to pay 50 tokens for scout player,btw,I am not using scouts

the draw means nothing,I stop paying this game,win/draw/lose,whatever,but explain to me why he got 16:6 shot?and by which way I can improve my chance to shoot?

[Razz]

max bonus
99% moral and 99% condition
def?why I need Def with this team?lol
hard def?!hahaha

I put my team on Defensive after 1 goal and draw two AMRAML to MRML

In other words, except for my guess about morale/win bonus, I nailed it across the board for your side. So, my guesses about the other side are likely pretty accurate too, don't you think?

better tactics?show me where is it?
16:6 shot and 9:2 SOG?

Based on my guesses about tactics (Pretty accurate, as detailed above) I explained exactly how he beat you. If you pulled your flankers back, then that's even worse - not only did you effectively take them out of the game, you freed up two of his defenders. If he had red arrows on his MCs as i expect, then he had a 3 on 3 situation against the middle of your defense, while you ended up with 1 on 3 against his. Looking again, i was probably wrong about the blue arrows on his wingers - more likely red arrows.

If you're going to go defensive, you also need to create an advantage somewhere. You needed to push another player forward in the middle, either an AMC or red arrows on one or both MCs to increase your chances of a shot, since, with defensive mentality, your players are only going to shoot when they have a high probability of SOT. (i.e you'll shoot less often, so you need to improve your odds of having an opportunity for those shots.)

Others have pointed out several other aspects of how he countered you with better tactics.

"Stars mean nothing. Those 3 and 4 star players could be 5 and 6 star quality in key skills. Even if they aren't, the skill difference between 6 stars (54) and 4 stars (44) isn't THAT great (about 20%)
"
if it means nothing,why T11 ask us to pay 50 tokens for scout player,btw,I am not using scouts

Clearly, you don't WANT an explanation, you just wanted to whine without being relegated to the vent thread. But, for those others who might read this and who ARE interested
I have a 4 star, 43 defender and a 5 star, 48 defender. Which is better?
Of course it's a trick question. The 4 star defender has defensive rating of 50.2, the 5 star defender has a defensive rating of 48.6 ( I also keep physical skills close to primary skill - some people don't. but no matter your opinion on the physical skills, there's little reason to put skill points into attacking skills for a defender.)

The above example is minor - a player can be 2quality levels above his star level in his primary skill. In other words, a 3 star player can be as good or better than a 5 star player. Got it? So stars mean nothing - they're a general gauge of overall quality, nothing more. And the higher your level as a manger, the less importance even that is. a 5 star 30 player is much better (33%) than a 3 star 20 player, but a 5 star 80 player is only a little bit better (12%) than a 3 star 70 player.

the draw means nothing,I stop paying this game,win/draw/lose,whatever,but explain to me why he got 16:6 shot?and by which way I can improve my chance to shoot?

I have.

You can also read a more in-depth discussion if you're really interested.

[Shanghai Shenhua]

Newcastle
4-5-1V
Defensive or possibly hard defensive (with an attacking formation!)
Short passing?
Possibly hard tackling?
No or low win bonus OR poor morale or condition
Manager probably watched match.

2 of 6 wrong, that's accurate?(win bonus/moral/condition; defensive)
and 2 of 6 are so obviously.(4-5-1v ,watching match)
the result is only 2 of 6 are correct base on you guess.(short passing/hard tackling)

If you pulled your flankers back, then that's even worse - not only did you effectively take them out of the game, you freed up two of his defenders. If he had red arrows on his MCs as i expect, then he had a 3 on 3 situation against the middle of your defense, while you ended up with 1 on 3 against his. Looking again, i was probably wrong about the blue arrows on his wingers - more likely red arrows.
Others have pointed out several other aspects of how he countered you with better tactics.

so the ML AND MR in 442 or 4141 means being effectively taken out of the game and have nothing to do with other's DR DL?It does not make sense in real(Ribery and Robben played as ML and MR in game vs Barcelona) or in the game
Better tactics means same tactics?after I pulled my two flankers back, I am using same formation as he did,and same order you guessed for his tactics.
btw, all his tactics are based on you assumption.

I have a 4 star, 43 defender and a 5 star, 48 defender. Which is better?
Of course it's a trick question. The 4 star defender has defensive rating of 50.2, the 5 star defender has a defensive rating of 48.6 ( I also keep physical skills close to primary skill - some people don't. but no matter your opinion on the physical skills, there's little reason to put skill points into attacking skills for a defender.)

The above example is minor - a player can be 2quality levels above his star level in his primary skill. In other words, a 3 star player can be as good or better than a 5 star player. Got it? So stars mean nothing - they're a general gauge of overall quality, nothing more. And the higher your level as a manger, the less importance even that is. a 5 star 30 player is much better (33%) than a 3 star 20 player, but a 5 star 80 player is only a little bit better (12%) than a 3 star 70 player.

checked,all normal players with average distribution of skill points.

[Razz]

2 of 6 wrong, that's accurate?(win bonus/moral/condition; defensive)
and 2 of 6 are so obviously.(4-5-1v ,watching match)
the result is only 2 of 6 are correct base on you guess.(short passing/hard tackling)

You already admitted you used defensive mentality. It's not "obvious" who was watching the match, but can be inferred from the formation and possession. Given the limited information you posted, yeah, my analysis was pretty darned accurate.

so the ML AND MR in 442 or 4141 means being effectively taken out of the game and have nothing to do with other's DR DL?

In this case, yes. DL does not defend against MR in zonal defense (unless the MR has red arrows). By pulling back from AMR to MR, you free up that DL to focus on the left third of the middle (your red arrow MCs).

It does not make sense in real(Ribery and Robben played as ML and MR in game vs Barcelona) or in the game

SO WHAT? Real life is not a computer game, a computer game is not real life.

Better tactics means same tactics?after I pulled my two flankers back, I am using same formation as he did,and same order you guessed for his tactics.
btw, all his tactics are based on you assumption.

Except, again, you already stated you used defensive mentality.
At this point, it's obvious you have no interest in an explanation - you simply want to vent without being relegated to the vent thread. Goodbye.

[avenger]

he countered your formation

[aiureah]

@shanghai shenhua There is no explanation, it's just the game engine who wanted to screw you up. Happened to me yesterday as well, with 9 scouts and 2 world class players but against a weaker team (2 and 3 stars), drew 2-2. This happens from time to time just to confirm the rule that nobody is invincible (I bet you win over 90% of the games). And i dont bother with tactics because with the same tactics i won 7 leagues in 8 seasons, and 5 CL in 7 tries. It's just the game engine even though there are some people here who actually believe they are in control of the game when the game controls us.

[herdo]

@shanghai shenhua There is no explanation, it's just the game engine who wanted to screw you up. Happened to me yesterday as well, with 9 scouts and 2 world class players but against a weaker team (2 and 3 stars), drew 2-2. This happens from time to time just to confirm the rule that nobody is invincible (I bet you win over 90% of the games). And i dont bother with tactics because with the same tactics i won 7 leagues in 8 seasons, and 5 CL in 7 tries. It's just the game engine even though there are some people here who actually believe they are in control of the game when the game controls us.

Personally i think its daft to waste time, money or both on a game that you feel you have no bearing over? Before anyone one starts, you have every right to play the game for what ever reason, just seems illogical!