Thank you Nordeus, awesome draft as always !

Start playing this game casual 2 months ago after a 4 year stop. 2 months ago, i end up playing against a team who had awesome players, but losing in league and winning in other competitions. I had no idea what's happening after some people told me that they are named tankers and manipulating the draws to get easy targets and steal trophies, because they have no skill and no brain to compete against teams who match their Quality. Ok.
Last month i end up against a team who had in the first day a team full with 1% players and the reserves full with players skilled with 200 or 300. Ok again, no problem. He won every single match and trophy against 80 teams, like mine where most of them werent in their match.
New season, new player to face whos manipulating in the same way like the previous one. My question is, why im getting this players having awesome players and not the ones where they play like me casual, for fun and having around my team quality ? Why do i face players who are much better than me in playing this game and having players more awesome than me in skills ? It looks like their are doing this to not play with the teams in Premier League, but with the ones in English Football League Two, which is not fair. I dont play to win, i play only for fun and buying players from market. But this fun is ruined when this players who are manipulating to get easy targets like me its not ok. After i read more, this is for years and its strange how people they are cheating are not punished or atleast improve the system to make it fair for all players.
About this team i will post some pictures to see who im facing this season, which is an example and im sure im not the only one in this situation against manipulating. My association mate told me this guy is a youtuber. I saw his channel and looks like a guy who understands this game far more than me. I joined his server and i saw posts where hes against people who are manipulating and sent to Nordeus emails complaining about this and how unfair is the system with the teams who has to play. But why are you manipulating aswell when you clearly dont like others who are manipulating and have to play against them.

I dont think i will play this game anymore, feels again like a lost month playing against this bs players who are ruin the game. Nordeus needs to solve this somewhere near into the future and make the game be enjoyable again, if not, its whatever and minus 1 player here to all this players who are manipulating for easy targets.

I dont get why you send me hate messages, but i dont care. Take a look here, compare his players stats and start thinking before talking bad words at me.

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Players adapt to the game not the other way round. Their game their rules. Tons of players won't encourage manipulation, upselling and tanking. Why would we want to create another competitor? I know many who call out on cheats but do it themselves. So many that its normal behaviour to me

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Players adapt to the game not the other way round. Their game their rules. Tons of players won't encourage manipulation, upselling and tanking. Why would we want to create another competitor? I know many who call out on cheats but do it themselves. So many that its normal behaviour to me

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Yes, you can adapt and play how you want against adversaires, against weather condition, against match, but not against the errors game has and take advantages. If you think its normal behaviour to have a top team but want to play against low teams, i dont know. Its, i dont want to drink and drive, but i will do it because others do. Good behaviour right ? Because many do this.
This team and this guy again its an example against who we, low teams, will face this season, because from what i see his channel, the guy teaches others and he is very good with top players. Also, hes against those many players who manipulation, upselling and tanking, but if you see in the pictures, hes doing this like those many others. He has his reasons, hes adapting to the game, i understand. But to play against 30% and 60% teams just to ruin our game ? With the players he has and the tactics and formations he knows because he is very good, he should play against those high teams and be fair, not unfair like others who take advantages.
You dont understand my reason. You manipulate, you will be happy, but think how the other teams will feel playing all season when you have a manipulater ? I dont think top eleven was created to take advantages and have records. I think its more than this. If you are good, compete with those who are good. If you arent good like me, i will play against players who are at my level. If i will be good and have a good team, nordeus will put me against good teams and i will be happy to face them. Maybe others manipulate because they arent good and do this for attention and records. If thats football for them and nordeus allows them, ok.
I just wanted to bring in attention that, players like me are there and we suffer because of this manipulation. You take our fun to play this game.

Are you saying you should win every trophy and every match,which means you cannot be a casual player" just for fun " there are several ways you can play the game and manipulate the game engine to suit how you wish to play the game you've come up against a tanker in your league unfortunately.and yes in some cases they don't like to loose because more than likely they've spent heavily using real money to get where they are.

This was long time ago. Seems nordeus tract this as normal legit thing.
I would say this one - most pro players abuse everything that is abusable. And thats why they are so good.

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Are you saying you should win every trophy and every match,which means you cannot be a casual player" just for fun " there are several ways you can play the game and manipulate the game engine to suit how you wish to play the game you've come up against a tanker in your league unfortunately.and yes in some cases they don't like to loose because more than likely they've spent heavily using real money to get where they are.

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I said and wrote above: I dont play to win, i play only for fun and buying players from market.. Of course, if i want to win every trophy and every match, this means i have to learn to be good and have top players trained. You cant be good at this game or any game after the registration. But if im good, i will try to play with the teams that are in my league, not manipulating and get easy targets, correct ? Whats the point of football, to have a good team but to play with bad teams ? A good player with top players should not be afraid to play with players at his level, right ? Or im missing something here. If somehow someone got easy targets, not because he wanted, i understand, the game is not perfect. But when you manipulate obvious to get easy targets, this is why i dont get and why Nordeus is not doing anything to avoid this. Ruin others fun to play this game for your selfish fun, because you are afraid to play in your league with your big boys, like the guy from picture and many others who are doing this manipulate.

Im sorry because my english is not 100% good and my ideas dont go how i want to understand the difference between casual players and high top players. This game is not composed only from top quality players who have top players trained.

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This was long time ago. Seems nordeus tract this as normal legit thing.
I would say this one - most pro players abuse everything that is abusable. And thats why they are so good.

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From what i remember from the past, it wasnt so bad like now. Many people do this like you said, its something normal and legit thing. And i wonder what you learn from a match with 50% players who are not even online in their game ? Real managers write notes during games to know what they need to do and what to improve, right ? If you play with amateur team like mine, what you get, just a easy win and thats it right? And if you face a players who has a team like you, you lose because you learned nothing playing with easy targets.
Top eleven dont forces us to learn to be good, if not bear the consequences. Think that not every player has the time like others to invest time in game to be good and have good players. Thats why this difference between a casual player and a pro player. I know its hard to imagine this, but in this game, they are many casual players, otherwise you will face only pros.
Abusing something is wrong, even if its there, even if the game allows you to do. The fault here is 50 Nordeus and 50 those who manipulate with big teams for easy wins.

My plan is not to change something right now, because people wont be fair ever with others and always will abuse the system for their fun. But doing this, dont complain to Nordeus because you got taste from your own medicine and someone ruined your fun like you do with others mister manipulator.
Its sad how a football game allows pro players to abuse new and casual players.

First of all I want to say that I apologize to you Callister, because it is my fault.

Secondly, after we finished our official matches, me and Justy, we started playing friendly matches through association to test different tactics, different formations, how the players react in matches to rain weather, etc. Our purpose was to find solutions and help our community members with valuable informations for their matches and, of course, to be better prepared for the challenges of the new season. In our last tests, we wanted to see how poor quality players with very, very low skills do so well against players who are properly trained. I wish i can tell you more about this, but maybe after more tests, we will reveal or you can stay tuned on justy's youtube channel.

I think everyone is waiting for the answer to the question: Why he had in his main team, the low quality players ?
It was a mistake where he completely forgot to load his main players because of me. You can believe me or not, but I assure you that, he never manipulated the draw system to get low quality teams. For him is important to play against very good managers with very well trained players, just to learn even more and share this knowledge to the new managers and even those who play this game for many years or casual via videos or words.

In that picture, he was talking about the opponents he got in association draw. We all know that top 100 is composed from 90% of managers who either manipulate or tank or both. As i said many times, top 100 is the mirror of the Nordeus game. I can assure you, even if you don't manipulate, there is a chance to get a team that manipulated. The same thing can happen even in official competitions.

As tomu741 wrote, are lots of good managers who are trying to exploit every weakness this game has, just to have a big number of wins and trophies.
Nordeus won't do anything any time soon against "glitches in the game". My advice is to try to play fair and be fair to your fellow managers every time, because you don't want to risk a season because of karma.
Also EastSider is right; you need to adapt, casual or not, to create your own strategy for different scenario games against on or off managers.
BUT, there's a difference between having a philosophy to compete against other managers(active or not) AND manipulate the system of draw to play versus low to very low teams with the manager not active.

In my opinion, football means more than just numbers and lines of codes and only those through hard work and learn will recognise the true victory of a match.

In conclusion, I want to sincerely apologize again for this inconvenience and I hope you get in touch with Justy, who is a great guy and manager, to solve something when you two will battle on the field.
Hope everyone will have a great season and Stay Safe !!!

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Start playing this game casual 2 months ago after a 4 year stop. 2 months ago, i end up playing against a team who had awesome players, but losing in league and winning in other competitions. I had no idea what's happening after some people told me that they are named tankers and manipulating the draws to get easy targets and steal trophies, because they have no skill and no brain to compete against teams who match their Quality. Ok.
Last month i end up against a team who had in the first day a team full with 1% players and the reserves full with players skilled with 200 or 300. Ok again, no problem. He won every single match and trophy against 80 teams, like mine where most of them werent in their match.
New season, new player to face whos manipulating in the same way like the previous one. My question is, why im getting this players having awesome players and not the ones where they play like me casual, for fun and having around my team quality ? Why do i face players who are much better than me in playing this game and having players more awesome than me in skills ? It looks like their are doing this to not play with the teams in Premier League, but with the ones in English Football League Two, which is not fair. I dont play to win, i play only for fun and buying players from market. But this fun is ruined when this players who are manipulating to get easy targets like me its not ok. After i read more, this is for years and its strange how people they are cheating are not punished or atleast improve the system to make it fair for all players.
About this team i will post some pictures to see who im facing this season, which is an example and im sure im not the only one in this situation against manipulating. My association mate told me this guy is a youtuber. I saw his channel and looks like a guy who understands this game far more than me. I joined his server and i saw posts where hes against people who are manipulating and sent to Nordeus emails complaining about this and how unfair is the system with the teams who has to play. But why are you manipulating aswell when you clearly dont like others who are manipulating and have to play against them.

I dont think i will play this game anymore, feels again like a lost month playing against this bs players who are ruin the game. Nordeus needs to solve this somewhere near into the future and make the game be enjoyable again, if not, its whatever and minus 1 player here to all this players who are manipulating for easy targets.

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I understand what you say...
but for a casual guy who plays... if you feel so... take note on what ill feel...
now i its true that i do complain and raise investigations on the loopholes of the system...
but i have been where you stand and i am fed of writing to them... here is a copy i wrote to just a few days ago...Attachment 136404

Alright. Interesting post.


To begin with, I know your opponent very well. He's a good manager, a good friend and a youtuber like me. But I don't think it's his fault.

Manipulation and all those "cheats" or exploits, are allowed by the game itself, and sometimes you can say you're forced to follow them. For instance, I want to have a team around 130% at the end of the season, but at the same time, I don't want to face the two 180% teams. So in order to avoid those teams, I have to reduce my team quality somehow. I want to play against equal teams, but the draw system doesn't allow that. Is manipulation an option? No, not at all, but there's nothing else you can do.

The community has asked for an end in manipulation, tanking, upselling. I myself have wrote many reports asking for that and giving solutions. So far nothing, but I hope and I'm pretty sure something will be done this year.

but the fact is... after 25 seasons of serious playing when you really deal with these things.,.. you get fed up...
and you complain as if i did something to get against you... trust me when i say that i have been in much worse situations than you...
for someone who plays casually will never understand what it is to actually get where i am right now...

PS i didn't decide the draws... so no point saying i did something...
also next time when you feel like pushing me down from a mountain ask around what type of a guy i am and then complain...

and to set the record straight... i played with an 85% team against you....
and you were not there both the times,,,
and i dont hide from any challenges... i didnt even play with my full strength,,,, there are lot of 90% teams in the cup and CL draws that i am placed in... unfortunately you turned out to 55%... and how can you say its my fault....Attachment 136405Attachment 136406

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Originally Posted by Callister

Yes, you can adapt and play how you want against adversaires, against weather condition, against match, but not against the errors game has and take advantages. If you think its normal behaviour to have a top team but want to play against low teams, i dont know. Its, i dont want to drink and drive, but i will do it because others do. Good behaviour right ? Because many do this.
This team and this guy again its an example against who we, low teams, will face this season, because from what i see his channel, the guy teaches others and he is very good with top players. Also, hes against those many players who manipulation, upselling and tanking, but if you see in the pictures, hes doing this like those many others. He has his reasons, hes adapting to the game, i understand. But to play against 30% and 60% teams just to ruin our game ? With the players he has and the tactics and formations he knows because he is very good, he should play against those high teams and be fair, not unfair like others who take advantages.
You dont understand my reason. You manipulate, you will be happy, but think how the other teams will feel playing all season when you have a manipulater ? I dont think top eleven was created to take advantages and have records. I think its more than this. If you are good, compete with those who are good. If you arent good like me, i will play against players who are at my level. If i will be good and have a good team, nordeus will put me against good teams and i will be happy to face them. Maybe others manipulate because they arent good and do this for attention and records. If thats football for them and nordeus allows them, ok.
I just wanted to bring in attention that, players like me are there and we suffer because of this manipulation. You take our fun to play this game.

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It ain't fair and it never is in life. Like the moderator said, something will be done this year. Hopefully.

I have played normally and I manipulate now. It is a choice to play however I like. When I want a challenge, I play normally if not I manipulate. If I am busy, I tank. You don't see the beauty behind the variety because you ain't active. 55 percent? Manipulators struggle to get that low in quality, it shows how inactive you are. It is no surprise you want 'fairness'.

Anyway, at 55 percent. You are food to stronger teAms. Normal in the cup first round to have a strong against a weak team. Blame it on your low quality. Invest more time and effort.

Points to note when manipulation/tanking/upselling ends.

Strong teams will play +1+2 cup and CL with no outlet.
You will continue to get trolled by the system.
You will never have a chance against the rich players who can afford to spend more. Pay to win.

Depending on the new rules, we can still sell our entire team every season and still somehow manipulate to play at the lower spectrum. It becomes more about who can buy their wins.

Also remember all the changes we have seen in TE, how many turned out the way you expected. Do you think they will just change something without it being detrimental to us? GK training/negotiations changes. U liked it? Be careful when making requests. You will never get the upper hand.

Be careful when making requests - wise man words.
Probably most updates which where requested and completed are only disadvantages. Even the last update with weather shows that this is only drawback - all these just drain more condition especially with high pressing.

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It ain't fair and it never is in life. Like the moderator said, something will be done this year. Hopefully.

I have played normally and I manipulate now. It is a choice to play however I like. When I want a challenge, I play normally if not I manipulate. If I am busy, I tank. You don't see the beauty behind the variety because you ain't active. 55 percent? Manipulators struggle to get that low in quality, it shows how inactive you are. It is no surprise you want 'fairness'.

Anyway, at 55 percent. You are food to stronger teAms. Normal in the cup first round to have a strong against a weak team. Blame it on your low quality. Invest more time and effort.

Points to note when manipulation/tanking/upselling ends.

Strong teams will play +1+2 cup and CL with no outlet.
You will continue to get trolled by the system.
You will never have a chance against the rich players who can afford to spend more. Pay to win.

Depending on the new rules, we can still sell our entire team every season and still somehow manipulate to play at the lower spectrum. It becomes more about who can buy their wins.

Also remember all the changes we have seen in TE, how many turned out the way you expected. Do you think they will just change something without it being detrimental to us? GK training/negotiations changes. U liked it? Be careful when making requests. You will never get the upper hand.

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Thank you for understand me people who are in my situation. I dont judge you all who insulted me and hate me. I hope Nordeus takes this notes to their future changes to protect more casual managers from this people who manipulate and thinks its a good thing to do and ruin our fun because they dont want to get in that situation against manipulation: moderator quote -> For instance, I want to have a team around 130% at the end of the season, but at the same time, I don't want to face the two 180% teams. So in order to avoid those teams, I have to reduce my team quality somehow
Pay attention to the post before attack a man. I wrote many times that im not a good manager or active and play for fun and no for wins, my opinion about his team that i will meet in cup and also in league and his channel.
You will understand me and my words, when you will live on your own feet and time and effort will go somewhere else.

Best post and its sad how a game is ruined by Pro:
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This was long time ago. Seems nordeus tract this as normal legit thing.
I would say this one - most pro players abuse everything that is abusable. And thats why they are so good.

Can close my post and thank you very much.

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Be careful when making requests - wise man words.
Probably most updates which where requested and completed are only disadvantages. Even the last update with weather shows that this is only drawback - all these just drain more condition especially with high pressing.

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There are many more.

People requested to allow changing of reds and blues to greens.
- Morale drops faster now and we get more injuries.
Too much cash right
- Now you cant sell players as easily
Active players want a bigger advantage to minimise trolling
-TPB introduced

And yes, now weather.....please learn from our past mistakes. No free lunch in this world. Many dont like manipulators but dont even know when their thoughts are being manipulated by those affiliated to the company.

For me the biggest pain was destruction of negotiation. They so screwed it that i cant understand why they did it. They can easily remove it from game and noone will see that it is disappeared as it was with assistant manager :).
Yeah you can wait all day when trying to sell player - with no luck. So i usually just sack them nowdays.
Special sponsor - even if it gives small boost to us but the biggest advantage is for those who pays for them. You just cant overlook differences between common and paid special sponsor.
So next time anyone will request any changes remember that it will be twisted in that way you cant imagine.

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For me the biggest pain was destruction of negotiation. They so screwed it that i cant understand why they did it. They can easily remove it from game and noone will see that it is disappeared as it was with assistant manager :).
Yeah you can wait all day when trying to sell player - with no luck. So i usually just sack them nowdays.
Special sponsor - even if it gives small boost to us but the biggest advantage is for those who pays for them. You just cant overlook differences between common and paid special sponsor.
So next time anyone will request any changes remember that it will be twisted in that way you cant imagine.

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My guess for nego is to tackle upselling and to reduce our token gain from farming. We used to buy lots of young fast trainers and keep them at 39, 59, 79 and even 19 quality. Good profit those days. Yeah I am feeling it slowly moving towards pay to win with special sponsor.

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Depending on the new rules, we can still sell our entire team every season and still somehow manipulate to play at the lower spectrum. It becomes more about who can buy their wins.

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If trophy counts via actual winning (to keep a long winning run going, not tanking), then a manager actually does not have to sell an entire team but just the supporting casts. The defining key is to regularly keep a set number of main players for the draw, so that a relatively manageable draw is achieved while the seasonal turnover of other supporting squad players are also kept to a minimum to fit around those regular T-income from sponsor, association and winning events.

The fine balance in keeping a significant enough quality advantage between main players vs opponent’s best, the resources needed to refresh the supporting casts and also the number of able yet not too T-expensive subs for greens savings is a delicate one. :)

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For me the biggest pain was destruction of negotiation. They so screwed it that i cant understand why they did it. They can easily remove it from game and noone will see that it is disappeared as it was with assistant manager :).
Yeah you can wait all day when trying to sell player - with no luck. So i usually just sack them nowdays.
Special sponsor - even if it gives small boost to us but the biggest advantage is for those who pays for them. You just cant overlook differences between common and paid special sponsor.
So next time anyone will request any changes remember that it will be twisted in that way you cant imagine.

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With regards to selling players, there is a set formula relative to player quality vs highest set price (Player quality range, highest possible price % against max, translated into down-clicks from max)
1) 90%+, 100%, 0
2) 80%+ to 89.9%, 90%, 2
3) 70%+ to 79.9%, 80%, 4
4) 60%+ to 69.9%, 65%, 7

Any under 60% has to be sold immediately because system will not buy them. ;)

Max time required by system to complete the transaction is 3 hours (so you could imagine all my seasonal squad players are all trained to conditions of 7.5% about 4-5 hours from season refresh for the last bits of quality and value increase) :cool:

Tried and tested by a very money&resource-oriented low-level club manager who specialises in squeezing every penny from the rock. :p

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If trophy counts via actual winning (to keep a long winning run going, not tanking), then a manager actually does not have to sell an entire team but just the supporting casts. The defining key is to regularly keep a set number of main players for the draw, so that a relatively manageable draw is achieved while the seasonal turnover of other supporting squad players are also kept to a minimum to fit around those regular T-income from sponsor, association and winning events.

The fine balance in keeping a significant enough quality advantage between main players vs opponent’s best, the resources needed to refresh the supporting casts and also the number of able yet not too T-expensive subs for greens savings is a delicate one. :)

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Good to meet someone who doesn't hide that he manipulates. I do the same. The statement you responded to was based on the assumption that manipulation is fixed and we are drawn based on white skill average on top 3 players perhaps. Unless they make the draw entirely random then I would probably just leave the game.

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Good to meet someone who doesn't hide that he manipulates. I do the same. The statement you responded to was based on the assumption that manipulation is fixed and we are drawn based on white skill average on top 3 players perhaps. Unless they make the draw entirely random then I would probably just leave the game.

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Very good record there! Lots of hard work has been put in for that (or else troll-lose results would not have been only 2 when there are usually a few trolls every season). To only concede 77 goals in 600+ matches require excellent team setup, and very well done! (Easy to score 10+ but a lot harder to set up a good team shape to get clean sheets at the same time)

In the long run, we probably still may be drawn up with equally talented managers who do the exact same manipulation trick, so by then we may need to be prepared to further strengthen in those seasons to keep the title-winning going. So short to medium term, it is way more feasible to build an ever-improving team with also draw manipulation in place to save packs up easier and quicker. (Or else money will run short too because of having to buy older players for squad).

Proper player training via draw manipulation would win against tanking teams in the long run as well. Tanked players would have greys improved (no reduction), while managers achieving successive promotions with all top scorer awards will gradually build a more specific-high-white teams with low greys as well. That is even before the manipulation team could widen the quality advantage by ‘filling in’ the supporting players (eg, say 9 key players of 140%% + 5x 1* vs 14x 90% - really no match when the former manager knows how to train players properly). For me, they can tank all they like because they would still lose very easily. :p

I think no one here remembers what the great Admiral Nelson taught the raw young naval talent Thomas Cochan when dealing with enemy ships --- "Never mind maneuvers, always go at them."

In other words, just assemble your team and whack at the opponent!

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Very good record there! Lots of hard work has been put in for that (or else troll-lose results would not have been only 2 when there are usually a few trolls every season). To only concede 77 goals in 600+ matches require excellent team setup, and very well done! (Easy to score 10+ but a lot harder to set up a good team shape to get clean sheets at the same time)

In the long run, we probably still may be drawn up with equally talented managers who do the exact same manipulation trick, so by then we may need to be prepared to further strengthen in those seasons to keep the title-winning going. So short to medium term, it is way more feasible to build an ever-improving team with also draw manipulation in place to save packs up easier and quicker. (Or else money will run short too because of having to buy older players for squad).

Proper player training via draw manipulation would win against tanking teams in the long run as well. Tanked players would have greys improved (no reduction), while managers achieving successive promotions with all top scorer awards will gradually build a more specific-high-white teams with low greys as well. That is even before the manipulation team could widen the quality advantage by ‘filling in’ the supporting players (eg, say 9 key players of 140%% + 5x 1* vs 14x 90% - really no match when the former manager knows how to train players properly). For me, they can tank all they like because they would still lose very easily. :p

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Absolutely. Hours of my life spent training players. I avoid trolling by not attending matches if that makes any sense at all lol. And yeah, I have a no st and only 1 Mc formation. positions that seriously need more relevance in the game. And yes, the strongest competitors are like minded manipulators.

You must be talking about lazy tankers? Because if players like us were to upsell and tank. No Greys to worry about and we will train them right. Now add manipulation to the mix and that's an insane team we are talking about. Many in the top 100 asso do the the tanking/manipulating and upselling combi on top of buying special sponsor. If you ask me which is more effective at winning trophies and maintaining win rates, comparing each loophole individually. I think manipulating would get the best result assuming the same.skilled player attempts all 3 separately. Less trolling with wider quality gap. But then again, it is dependant on luck and how many manipulators join or pick it up during the season.

I know alot of players who tank but are dedicated players. These players cannot be beaten by manipulator accounts simply because the manipulator sells some starters every season. Making up for that gap ain't easy and while the manipulator does that, the tanker is getting his whites to match the manipulator. I am assuming it is lower because of slower gaining due to higher greys. And the tanker definitely has more stored resources than a manipulator.

Anyway most tankers play that way because they wanna store resources, need a break and avoid the higher levels. I am surprised at how happy the top of the server players are these days. Nothing has changed and it is still the same dead end yet no suggestions for improvement and no one is pissed at it. Yeah, you are an f2p player as well. We definitely would put up a fight but will never win anything there. Basically you either ruin your win rate avoiding the top or you go there and get it ruined anyway. Not sure about you but I ain't too worried about higher levels as I intend to continuously restart to play at the lower levels. It's much easier and enjoyable

"But why are you manipulating aswell when you clearly dont like others who are manipulating and have to play against them." because you have no other choice/options, in order to win you need to do that stuff, right ?

in this case, nordeus as developer already take many action just to tackle them but... not brave enough,sigh
if they brave enough, they will tweak/change the game engine or try to...

me, playing this game since "fair" enough, i enjoy that moment, thinking formation and tactic etc.
but nowdays, when you face "mutant" its like........... " alright then " *start praying lmao

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"But why are you manipulating aswell when you clearly dont like others who are manipulating and have to play against them." because you have no other choice/options, in order to win you need to do that stuff, right ?

in this case, nordeus as developer already take many action just to tackle them but... not brave enough,sigh
if they brave enough, they will tweak/change the game engine or try to...

me, playing this game since "fair" enough, i enjoy that moment, thinking formation and tactic etc.
but nowdays, when you face "mutant" its like........... " alright then " *start praying lmao

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i just have one word for the "why's" and "cry's"

Evolving...