Thank you Nordeus, awesome draft as always !

[Callister]

Start playing this game casual 2 months ago after a 4 year stop. 2 months ago, i end up playing against a team who had awesome players, but losing in league and winning in other competitions. I had no idea what's happening after some people told me that they are named tankers and manipulating the draws to get easy targets and steal trophies, because they have no skill and no brain to compete against teams who match their Quality. Ok.
Last month i end up against a team who had in the first day a team full with 1% players and the reserves full with players skilled with 200 or 300. Ok again, no problem. He won every single match and trophy against 80 teams, like mine where most of them werent in their match.
New season, new player to face whos manipulating in the same way like the previous one. My question is, why im getting this players having awesome players and not the ones where they play like me casual, for fun and having around my team quality ? Why do i face players who are much better than me in playing this game and having players more awesome than me in skills ? It looks like their are doing this to not play with the teams in Premier League, but with the ones in English Football League Two, which is not fair. I dont play to win, i play only for fun and buying players from market. But this fun is ruined when this players who are manipulating to get easy targets like me its not ok. After i read more, this is for years and its strange how people they are cheating are not punished or atleast improve the system to make it fair for all players.
About this team i will post some pictures to see who im facing this season, which is an example and im sure im not the only one in this situation against manipulating. My association mate told me this guy is a youtuber. I saw his channel and looks like a guy who understands this game far more than me. I joined his server and i saw posts where hes against people who are manipulating and sent to Nordeus emails complaining about this and how unfair is the system with the teams who has to play. But why are you manipulating aswell when you clearly dont like others who are manipulating and have to play against them.

I dont think i will play this game anymore, feels again like a lost month playing against this bs players who are ruin the game. Nordeus needs to solve this somewhere near into the future and make the game be enjoyable again, if not, its whatever and minus 1 player here to all this players who are manipulating for easy targets.

[Callister]

I dont get why you send me hate messages, but i dont care. Take a look here, compare his players stats and start thinking before talking bad words at me.

[justusfernz]

but the fact is... after 25 seasons of serious playing when you really deal with these things.,.. you get fed up...
and you complain as if i did something to get against you... trust me when i say that i have been in much worse situations than you...
for someone who plays casually will never understand what it is to actually get where i am right now...

PS i didn't decide the draws... so no point saying i did something...
also next time when you feel like pushing me down from a mountain ask around what type of a guy i am and then complain...

[EastsiderSG]

Players adapt to the game not the other way round. Their game their rules. Tons of players won't encourage manipulation, upselling and tanking. Why would we want to create another competitor? I know many who call out on cheats but do it themselves. So many that its normal behaviour to me

[Callister]

Players adapt to the game not the other way round. Their game their rules. Tons of players won't encourage manipulation, upselling and tanking. Why would we want to create another competitor? I know many who call out on cheats but do it themselves. So many that its normal behaviour to me

Yes, you can adapt and play how you want against adversaires, against weather condition, against match, but not against the errors game has and take advantages. If you think its normal behaviour to have a top team but want to play against low teams, i dont know. Its, i dont want to drink and drive, but i will do it because others do. Good behaviour right ? Because many do this.
This team and this guy again its an example against who we, low teams, will face this season, because from what i see his channel, the guy teaches others and he is very good with top players. Also, hes against those many players who manipulation, upselling and tanking, but if you see in the pictures, hes doing this like those many others. He has his reasons, hes adapting to the game, i understand. But to play against 30% and 60% teams just to ruin our game ? With the players he has and the tactics and formations he knows because he is very good, he should play against those high teams and be fair, not unfair like others who take advantages.
You dont understand my reason. You manipulate, you will be happy, but think how the other teams will feel playing all season when you have a manipulater ? I dont think top eleven was created to take advantages and have records. I think its more than this. If you are good, compete with those who are good. If you arent good like me, i will play against players who are at my level. If i will be good and have a good team, nordeus will put me against good teams and i will be happy to face them. Maybe others manipulate because they arent good and do this for attention and records. If thats football for them and nordeus allows them, ok.
I just wanted to bring in attention that, players like me are there and we suffer because of this manipulation. You take our fun to play this game.

[EastsiderSG]

Yes, you can adapt and play how you want against adversaires, against weather condition, against match, but not against the errors game has and take advantages. If you think its normal behaviour to have a top team but want to play against low teams, i dont know. Its, i dont want to drink and drive, but i will do it because others do. Good behaviour right ? Because many do this.
This team and this guy again its an example against who we, low teams, will face this season, because from what i see his channel, the guy teaches others and he is very good with top players. Also, hes against those many players who manipulation, upselling and tanking, but if you see in the pictures, hes doing this like those many others. He has his reasons, hes adapting to the game, i understand. But to play against 30% and 60% teams just to ruin our game ? With the players he has and the tactics and formations he knows because he is very good, he should play against those high teams and be fair, not unfair like others who take advantages.
You dont understand my reason. You manipulate, you will be happy, but think how the other teams will feel playing all season when you have a manipulater ? I dont think top eleven was created to take advantages and have records. I think its more than this. If you are good, compete with those who are good. If you arent good like me, i will play against players who are at my level. If i will be good and have a good team, nordeus will put me against good teams and i will be happy to face them. Maybe others manipulate because they arent good and do this for attention and records. If thats football for them and nordeus allows them, ok.
I just wanted to bring in attention that, players like me are there and we suffer because of this manipulation. You take our fun to play this game.

It ain't fair and it never is in life. Like the moderator said, something will be done this year. Hopefully.

I have played normally and I manipulate now. It is a choice to play however I like. When I want a challenge, I play normally if not I manipulate. If I am busy, I tank. You don't see the beauty behind the variety because you ain't active. 55 percent? Manipulators struggle to get that low in quality, it shows how inactive you are. It is no surprise you want 'fairness'.

Anyway, at 55 percent. You are food to stronger teAms. Normal in the cup first round to have a strong against a weak team. Blame it on your low quality. Invest more time and effort.

Points to note when manipulation/tanking/upselling ends.

Strong teams will play +1+2 cup and CL with no outlet.
You will continue to get trolled by the system.
You will never have a chance against the rich players who can afford to spend more. Pay to win.

Depending on the new rules, we can still sell our entire team every season and still somehow manipulate to play at the lower spectrum. It becomes more about who can buy their wins.

Also remember all the changes we have seen in TE, how many turned out the way you expected. Do you think they will just change something without it being detrimental to us? GK training/negotiations changes. U liked it? Be careful when making requests. You will never get the upper hand.

[Callister]

It ain't fair and it never is in life. Like the moderator said, something will be done this year. Hopefully.

I have played normally and I manipulate now. It is a choice to play however I like. When I want a challenge, I play normally if not I manipulate. If I am busy, I tank. You don't see the beauty behind the variety because you ain't active. 55 percent? Manipulators struggle to get that low in quality, it shows how inactive you are. It is no surprise you want 'fairness'.

Anyway, at 55 percent. You are food to stronger teAms. Normal in the cup first round to have a strong against a weak team. Blame it on your low quality. Invest more time and effort.

Points to note when manipulation/tanking/upselling ends.

Strong teams will play +1+2 cup and CL with no outlet.
You will continue to get trolled by the system.
You will never have a chance against the rich players who can afford to spend more. Pay to win.

Depending on the new rules, we can still sell our entire team every season and still somehow manipulate to play at the lower spectrum. It becomes more about who can buy their wins.

Also remember all the changes we have seen in TE, how many turned out the way you expected. Do you think they will just change something without it being detrimental to us? GK training/negotiations changes. U liked it? Be careful when making requests. You will never get the upper hand.

Thank you for understand me people who are in my situation. I dont judge you all who insulted me and hate me. I hope Nordeus takes this notes to their future changes to protect more casual managers from this people who manipulate and thinks its a good thing to do and ruin our fun because they dont want to get in that situation against manipulation: moderator quote -> For instance, I want to have a team around 130% at the end of the season, but at the same time, I don't want to face the two 180% teams. So in order to avoid those teams, I have to reduce my team quality somehow
Pay attention to the post before attack a man. I wrote many times that im not a good manager or active and play for fun and no for wins, my opinion about his team that i will meet in cup and also in league and his channel.
You will understand me and my words, when you will live on your own feet and time and effort will go somewhere else.

Best post and its sad how a game is ruined by Pro:
Quote Originally Posted by tomu741 View Post
This was long time ago. Seems nordeus tract this as normal legit thing.
I would say this one - most pro players abuse everything that is abusable. And thats why they are so good.

Can close my post and thank you very much.

[iansyorkcityfc3]

Are you saying you should win every trophy and every match,which means you cannot be a casual player" just for fun " there are several ways you can play the game and manipulate the game engine to suit how you wish to play the game you've come up against a tanker in your league unfortunately.and yes in some cases they don't like to loose because more than likely they've spent heavily using real money to get where they are.

[Callister]

Are you saying you should win every trophy and every match,which means you cannot be a casual player" just for fun " there are several ways you can play the game and manipulate the game engine to suit how you wish to play the game you've come up against a tanker in your league unfortunately.and yes in some cases they don't like to loose because more than likely they've spent heavily using real money to get where they are.

I said and wrote above: I dont play to win, i play only for fun and buying players from market.. Of course, if i want to win every trophy and every match, this means i have to learn to be good and have top players trained. You cant be good at this game or any game after the registration. But if im good, i will try to play with the teams that are in my league, not manipulating and get easy targets, correct ? Whats the point of football, to have a good team but to play with bad teams ? A good player with top players should not be afraid to play with players at his level, right ? Or im missing something here. If somehow someone got easy targets, not because he wanted, i understand, the game is not perfect. But when you manipulate obvious to get easy targets, this is why i dont get and why Nordeus is not doing anything to avoid this. Ruin others fun to play this game for your selfish fun, because you are afraid to play in your league with your big boys, like the guy from picture and many others who are doing this manipulate.

Im sorry because my english is not 100% good and my ideas dont go how i want to understand the difference between casual players and high top players. This game is not composed only from top quality players who have top players trained.

[tomu741]

This was long time ago. Seems nordeus tract this as normal legit thing.
I would say this one - most pro players abuse everything that is abusable. And thats why they are so good.