Does WinnIng Trophies Show A Managers Skill Anymore?

In recent times the game at least through my experience has become 'dead'.For one the tactics system is completely rudimentary and the main reason why I ask this question is because of the sheer number of inactive teams i come across.

I'll be honest,my last 4 league titles which I've won in the last 6 seasons were all easy ones with big point gaps against bots.Now u might be thinking the reason I'm getting inactive teams is because I manipulate but that's not the case.i keep all my players for the next season and then improve.Now if I compare this to the 4 league titles I won before taking a two year break these titles are a joke.the 4 I won before the break along with the one cup and champions league were all challenging ones w The active managers and it was entertaining.

Now it feels as though trophies are just an indication of an active manager and nothing else.

What are your opinions on this?

It has become so easy. I left my 120% team for three seasons, come back at 60% and I am somehow the best in the super league and all the people in my group are <35%

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Originally Posted by Rocett

It has become so easy. I left my 120% team for three seasons, come back at 60% and I am somehow the best in the super league and all the people in my group are <35%

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I had the same experience for my second cup win after my break from the game where I was a 50% team and he rest of the teams in the cup were 25%-35%!and there was one abandoned team at 76% but he had no chance as I improved my team with the resources I accumulated during the break and got a 95% team and thrashed him 5-0

I mean it's nice winning trophies especially since before he break as I said getting trophies two years ago was a challenge in the high levels but now winning trophies is so unsatisfying.I remember a post from two years ago where one of the moderators said getting trophies in the higher levels 25 and up was difficult due to people treating their money in different ways as me(never spent a dime in-game).But right now I've won more trophies in the higher levels as compared to the lower ones.WEIRD

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Originally Posted by Rocett

It has become so easy. I left my 120% team for three seasons, come back at 60% and I am somehow the best in the super league and all the people in my group are <35%

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The games getting way too easy.Im not saying it's a walk in the park BUT 9/10(not a perfect 10 considering troll results and all that) it's a walk in the park for sure

As long as manipulation is there, winning trophies will be a piece of cake, requiring minimum to none knowledge.

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Originally Posted by milpol

As long as manipulation is there, winning trophies will be a piece of cake, requiring minimum to none knowledge!

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Completely Agree with that.Sometimes I wish I would just stop being so idealistic and just manipulate the game but for me it's difficult especially when u get attached to a group of players who have won u let's say two titles in a season and I feel like I should improve on the same team instead of selling all of them just for the sake of one cheap title next season.i mean what's the use then,the titles u win by manipulating won't have a story to them like when teams win titles in real life.its just boring manipulating the game

Never did, at any moment, because the current game is as manipulable as in the 1st Day.

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Originally Posted by Gomes182002

Completely Agree with that.Sometimes I wish I would just stop being so idealistic and just manipulate the game but for me it's difficult especially when u get attached to a group of players who have won u let's say two titles in a season and I feel like I should improve on the same team instead of selling all of them just for the sake of one cheap title next season.i mean what's the use then,the titles u win by manipulating won't have a story to them like when teams win titles in real life.its just boring manipulating the game

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Totally get you. I'm on the other side. I've got two 180% teams on my server and level, that use personal trainer.... If I raise my team average above 120%, it's certain that I'd get drawn with them. Is that fun? I just want to play with teams equal to me! Not weaker, and not 180%... Nordeus should really work on the draws one day...

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Originally Posted by Gomes182002

In recent times the game at least through my experience has become 'dead'.For one the tactics system is completely rudimentary and the main reason why I ask this question is because of the sheer number of inactive teams i come across.

I'll be honest,my last 4 league titles which I've won in the last 6 seasons were all easy ones with big point gaps against bots.Now u might be thinking the reason I'm getting inactive teams is because I manipulate but that's not the case.i keep all my players for the next season and then improve.Now if I compare this to the 4 league titles I won before taking a two year break these titles are a joke.the 4 I won before the break along with the one cup and champions league were all challenging ones w The active managers and it was entertaining.

Now it feels as though trophies are just an indication of an active manager and nothing else.

What are your opinions on this?

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yeah, many abandoned team, inactive team, just peek and go idle team blabla.

most of them is casual player with low to middle %, and you know why... manipulators, tankers, mutants with low % .

they're not wrong by giving up and not fighting with them, they just casual players...

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

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Originally Posted by Vuslanot

Really? If it has been thus easy, I may play actively. What is the probability of making a quadruple?

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It's extremely easy when you manipulate and log in daily. This is exactly what I mean. Some players need the wins to keep playing. So sick of reading these people talk like everyone wants a challenge. As if they are representative of millions of users

Probability depends on alot of factors. How well trained your players are? How many troll matches? How active you are? Bonuses and such. Good tactics and skills when facing other strong manipulators and such. But the rate of quadruples is still high.

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Originally Posted by Vuslanot

Really? If it has been thus easy, I may play actively. What is the probability of making a quadruple?

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It's not only about playing actively lol u need to manipulate a lot to to be able to win a quadruple.For example I've been now playing actively for the last 11 seasons without manipulation and I've won the easy cup in the first season I returned next season I won the super league and super cup which was slightly tougher but still easy(I was the best in the competition) and since then 4 league titles.the closes I've come to a champions league is semi finals.without manipulation winning the CL is as hard as it is in real life.the difference between a league winning team and CL one is minimum 10% and if u don't manipulate or tank u won't have enough resources to make a CL winning team or even a cup team for that matter.

So bottom line is manipulation is key to success in this game at least in my opinion.if u don't do it you'll end up with a trophy haul like mine instead of the Greeks

As long as Nordeus does NOT change the draw system, the manipulators always win.....

Nordeus should make after the season of all the players a list of their % then make a list of them #1 until all player has a ranking (not looking to levels, forget does)

Then make League based on the ranking....

And then start like in real football,... promotion and regulations in the league that decide what league you goin to play next season and so on and on....

Then No more removing standard 20%, but related to the age and talent (programmed) into the player.... old players get less strong...

I mean when you are 24 years old you are more strong then a 34 year old... etc..

Do not say Nordeus can not make a system like that, Nordeus use this kind of system more or less already in the Football Association macthes

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Originally Posted by EastsiderSG

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

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Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. That said, I know who they are, what they are doing and why.


Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

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Originally Posted by Gomes182002

It's not only about playing actively lol u need to manipulate a lot to to be able to win a quadruple.For example I've been now playing actively for the last 11 seasons without manipulation and I've won the easy cup in the first season I returned next season I won the super league and super cup which was slightly tougher but still easy(I was the best in the competition) and since then 4 league titles.the closes I've come to a champions league is semi finals.without manipulation winning the CL is as hard as it is in real life.the difference between a league winning team and CL one is minimum 10% and if u don't manipulate or tank u won't have enough resources to make a CL winning team or even a cup team for that matter.

So bottom line is manipulation is key to success in this game at least in my opinion.if u don't do it you'll end up with a trophy haul like mine instead of the Greeks

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Precisely. I didn't want to mention about that leagues were much easier than CL in case I offend you but now that you mentioned it, spot on. My friends who all are non manipulators win leagues but face very unfair draws for CL and sometimes cup. It is a big issue that cause many players to give in and just manipulate. Until the underlying cause is fixed, many more will make the switch.

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Originally Posted by milpol

Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

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Well you did mention requiring minimum knowledge and skills. Beg to differ mate. I stand by what I said.

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Originally Posted by khris

Never did, at any moment, because the current game is as manipulable as in the 1st Day.

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Pretty much what Khris said. Nobody was skilled in this game as nobody was able to prove it. There are to many factors and honestly we do not really know how the game works. We do not have much control over it.

However if you follow the basics, patterns, etc you should be fine and be able to achive great things.

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Originally Posted by EastsiderSG

Precisely. I didn't want to mention about that leagues were much easier than CL in case I offend you but now that you mentioned it, spot on. My friends who all are non manipulators win leagues but face very unfair draws for CL and sometimes cup. It is a big issue that cause many players to give in and just manipulate. Until the underlying cause is fixed, many more will make the switch.

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Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally.

The 180% margin in this game, is really wide, isn't a margin that you can "cover" in 1 single season, so to compete vs 160's when we reach the 3rd season week. The beatability margin is set arround a 60% with competitive matches arround a -30% margin between 2 teams, this sets a parameter that causes the common issues we have in this game, because when we say "tankers" what we are meaning in reality is a issue related to a "non reachable AvQ" caused by the advantadge of gathering resources from 2,3,4 seasons and keeping the level vs teams that just promoted.

I'm up, and I suggested it already, for a promotion of teams that have 3 9* players. With the amount of resources we have each season this is kinda fair, 700 greens + the friendlies boosters still existing so we have people getting 40,60, 90 daily greens via friendlies yet, which is a expensive amount of free resources that need some kind of compensation in the own game system.

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Originally Posted by EastsiderSG

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

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OFC some managers will hate and blame those hardcore exploiters, nordeus add many nice features and they change it, because of who? they already try to fix it, from negotiation,ads to FB connected thing.

in other games, if some players exploit some bug or something, their acc will be banned temporary/permanent, for example trading, yes its game features,player free to use trading system as part of game, but if player use that trading features to buy/sell with real money or transfer into their main acc,or use that feature to cloning items etc. they will be banned (ofc if they caught doing that).

im not defending nordeus, for what i defending them? they always troll me and curse my team lol
but i give my view from 2 side, not one.

if nordeus really into fixing the game, fixing the game engine will solve many problem, make overall % matter (or slight difference), so balanced team will go balance and tactic/formation will work again, because right now is = train your winger/attacker and your team will be good, rest of squad? doesnt matter

or player cant have minus skill, 1 is the lowest skill cant go minus, and cap highest skill. what you gonna do if they do that? some exploiter maybe quit

back to topic, what milpol said is true, ever feel creating balance middle % team but ended up fighting against super mutant winger? playing 442 will not save you.

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Originally Posted by khris

Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally..

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I guess it all comes down to why ur playing the game.the only reason why a person would intentionally want an easy league is if they know they can't win trophies when matched against similar level managers or active managers.I mean it's a game that's supposed to simulate real life football.Manipulators tankers etc all seem to be playing the game for the sole purpose of boosting their childish ego rather than actually facing challenges as in real football.i understand that once u get the procedure and all that u can win more through manipulating the game but this is a FOOTBALL game and not GTA V.

Imagine spending two months hoarding resources for one CL title where the next best team is 30% away from u.pitiful

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Originally Posted by Flow

OFC some managers will hate and blame those hardcore exploiters, nordeus add many nice features and they change it, because of who? they already try to fix it, from negotiation,ads to FB connected thing.

in other games, if some players exploit some bug or something, their acc will be banned temporary/permanent, for example trading, yes its game features,player free to use trading system as part of game, but if player use that trading features to buy/sell with real money or transfer into their main acc,or use that feature to cloning items etc. they will be banned (ofc if they caught doing that).

im not defending nordeus, for what i defending them? they always troll me and curse my team lol
but i give my view from 2 side, not one.

if nordeus really into fixing the game, fixing the game engine will solve many problem, make overall % matter (or slight difference), so balanced team will go balance and tactic/formation will work again, because right now is = train your winger/attacker and your team will be good, rest of squad? doesnt matter

or player cant have minus skill, 1 is the lowest skill cant go minus, and cap highest skill. what you gonna do if they do that? some exploiter maybe quit

back to topic, what milpol said is true, ever feel creating balance middle % team but ended up fighting against super mutant winger? playing 442 will not save you.

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Milpols post

As long as manipulation is there, winning trophies will be a piece of cake, requiring minimum to none knowledge.

Milpols post

Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. That said, I know who they are, what they are doing and why.

Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

My post

Which part of milpols post were you referring to? I only read most items as being out of topic to what I mentioned and a twist of words.
Everyone knows what he means but no issue flow. You have your opinion. I respect that. YouTube content creators should stick together

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Originally Posted by khris

Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally.

The 180% margin in this game, is really wide, isn't a margin that you can "cover" in 1 single season, so to compete vs 160's when we reach the 3rd season week. The beatability margin is set arround a 60% with competitive matches arround a -30% margin between 2 teams, this sets a parameter that causes the common issues we have in this game, because when we say "tankers" what we are meaning in reality is a issue related to a "non reachable AvQ" caused by the advantadge of gathering resources from 2,3,4 seasons and keeping the level vs teams that just promoted.

I'm up, and I suggested it already, for a promotion of teams that have 3 9* players. With the amount of resources we have each season this is kinda fair, 700 greens + the friendlies boosters still existing so we have people getting 40,60, 90 daily greens via friendlies yet, which is a expensive amount of free resources that need some kind of compensation in the own game system.

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I drew and lost matches wider than 60 tbh. But I wasn't attending. Frankly if they said tanking required no skills and knowledge. I would agree as you can keep the team and let it self improve. Am talking about lazy tankers. Not too pleased about what was mentioned about manipulators as skill and knowledge is involved and we meet other manipulators. Most of the time it's easy but you do get the occasional good manipulator who trains well. Consistently winning while manipulating is not a given. Effort is put into it and what I read here is very discrimatory. Not from you khris

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Originally Posted by Gomes182002

I guess it all comes down to why ur playing the game.the only reason why a person would intentionally want an easy league is if they know they can't win trophies when matched against similar level managers or active managers.I mean it's a game that's supposed to simulate real life football.Manipulators tankers etc all seem to be playing the game for the sole purpose of boosting their childish ego rather than actually facing challenges as in real football.i understand that once u get the procedure and all that u can win more through manipulating the game but this is a FOOTBALL game and not GTA V.

Imagine spending two months hoarding resources for one CL title where the next best team is 30% away from u.pitiful

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Your opinion is total bs for this post. Just because you don't mind RNG and bad draws. Don't assume everyone is ok with it. Why would I want to play a game that simulates real life football? I want to not attend matches, heal my players whenever and restore their condition whenever. I don't wanna deal with transfer deadlines and getting sacked. Don't assume everyone wants what you want. Winning brings me joy and strokes my ego as you mentioned and so what. Is it wrong to want to derive joy and happiness from a game? If you want to compare with others and feel upset, that's your perogative. No one is competing with u.

Sure you can try to put others down. Look at your own record, it's bad even by non manipulators standard. Play your own game and stop telling others how to play theirs

Ur the one that keeps telling other people what they should or should not be doing for example the case with the moderators being impartial and what not.I think if u can have ur opinion I can have my own.For the matter of my record being bad I think that's something subjective.i have a life outside this game unlike u.for my activity in this game I feel I have done quite well.ur making it seem like I've been flexing my record on this forum which is not the case.i joined the forum thinking I could share my experiences and get opinions on certain things.

I see why no one gets on the forum from what I've read from the moderators posts.the toxicity here is crazy

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Originally Posted by Gomes182002

Ur the one that keeps telling other people what they should or should not be doing for example the case with the moderators being impartial and what not.I think if u can have ur opinion I can have my own.For the matter of my record being bad I think that's something subjective.i have a life outside this game unlike u.for my activity in this game I feel I have done quite well.ur making it seem like I've been flexing my record on this forum which is not the case.i joined the forum thinking I could share my experiences and get opinions on certain things.

I see why no one gets on the forum from what I've read from the moderators posts.the toxicity here is crazy

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Why not? If they can do it, we should do it to them as well. I have read many discriminatory remarks and leading posts made by some of them before posting all these. Don’t forget, we aint accountable like them. We have no link to the organisation nor do we have to give updates and stuff. Is a normal player or a moderator under more scrutiny to exhibit good qualities and proper decorum? Everyone has a life outside the game but it is much easier to reply stuff at a forum than loading a game while we are at work, it is similar to replying a message or whatsapp. How difficult is that? Just because you aint capable of multitasking, dont expect the rest of us to be as inefficient. Yes i admit i have definitely added to the toxicity recently but i would rather let them know instead of taking screenshots and sending them over to support. All i can say is what transpired is not entirely my fault, it takes 2 hands to clap. It isnt exactly a bad thing, look at the views. We brought life back into the forum

Closing this thread. Let's please keep it civil. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

Gents. The forum is all about frank exchanges of views and opinions as well as for help and advice. As long as the topics and posts are civil and respectful then toxicity need not come into it. Everyone plays the game in their own way and derives pleasure from playing based on that. Both of you raise interesting points and I'm sure that everyone can identify with some points made. From my point of view, this is what the forum is all about so don't be put off if things are said that you don't agree with or if someone challenged you directly. I know that things can be lost in translation but at the end of the day nobody will stop you playing the game the way you want to play it. That's your choice(until Nordeus changes something).