We build training ground for the yougsters , wait 28 days for them to develop aaaaaaaaand then we have to pay 24 tokens for our own player ??? Com'n this is ridiculous , it's too greedy of you
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We build training ground for the yougsters , wait 28 days for them to develop aaaaaaaaand then we have to pay 24 tokens for our own player ??? Com'n this is ridiculous , it's too greedy of you
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well, look to Pogba case, u21 can be taken by other clubs who offer more
24T is high end player, who will develop very very fast .. you are paying what he worth .. 25T if you exchange it in $ section, will equal around his exact value.. this mean you are getting a special player without a Token war .. try to buy this in market, and you will pay:
5-15 (T) + his price will be even higher 150% = so overall you will pay between 40-50T for him in market if we counted how much he worth and extra you are paying .. bcz remember $= Tokens
But what you didn't know is that they are very fast trainers, which is why they're so expensive. People get rid of them and then lose the opportunity.
man , I got this player before the season for only 3 tokens )) You'll say he is 25 . So what? + Special ability
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Wish I could get one of those types of players. Upgraded my youth system to provide me with players every 16 days and all I get is one position players with no SA. :(
Next two due in 3 days. This will be fun.
I just bought an AML/ML because mine was 28yo with 34Q. I would gladly have "looked at" this player but not for 24T. I literally just replaced my AML/ML with a 22yo, 37Q for ONE(1) token. I was surprised that nobody else bid, but very happy nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vako Utd
but 24T? and no SA? not worth it.
My 2 youth who I got this morning were a 4* DMC for 15T and a 2* MC....both worthless to me.
I have not had one player worthy of signing in all my 5 seasons so far.
At least at 24T you know he is a very fast trainer. for 15T I might as well just throw the tokens away.
STILL, way to expensive in terms of tokens for youth players coming through your system. this excuse that your tokens are managerial influence is bull****. at 24T, you are best off buying a 22yo scout with SA.
youths are only worthwhile to Tommy token buyers. End of.
so what SA is not that key .. it will help you in 1 out of 3-5 games .. is something extra .. don't be fooled by it.. what is key is his skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vako Utd
i sell players with SA at younger age of that
25 is old man, he is development is slow .. good short term solution, as u will need to replace him next season
but when you invest 24T .. it will last for 5-6 years minmum more when he is that good high quality trainer
simple math 3X6= 18 T + money you pay them .. that can go as high as 50-80T bcz remember $= tokens
Anyway I don't buy tokens and not gonna sign this player . Even if I had (25) I would rather build a stadium or smth else . I can easely get this type of player at the market for 10 (MAX)
This is just the message to the creators that they are too greedy :D
I don't think any amount of complaining about the tokens will change their minds. They don't seem to listen very much.
I would love to know how you calculate this.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
This is more of a personal observation and useless to anyone else because you cant possibly prove this.
Exactly. Only Tommys bother to spend $5-6M on 18yo to power train. The average manager cant afford to spend tokens on that. If they do, they get one player per season with that kind of money to put out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vako Utd
Or else you end up buying all the freeagents and selling to make $$$, but then you are spending tokens like mad anyways.
you are still not counting his value as Tokens .. 10T + his value $ (translated in tokens exchange rate at ur level) = 35TQuote:
Originally Posted by Vako Utd
am not a token buyer too .. but i farm as much as i can
24T is really not a bad deal
let us say , i have Freekick SA player, he will score once from a free kick out of 3-4 matches , but have my ST with No special ability scored too in about 3-6 matches doing those free kicks bcz of his superior attacking abilities, so having a freekick SA has helped me to boost my chances by 30% really compared to playing without himQuote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
same with my header defender or wall and many others
you have 35T minimum a season without doing any offer ..if you buy one u21 player (with 21T or more or he ain't worth it if slow trainer), take out the 24T and it will still leave you with 11 Tokens to spend on buying players in mid season without bidding war, 2-3 each at younger age.. i bought 2 high end training 18yo with 2 Tokens each in past 2 days
I rather buy a 5* 18yr old for 24T from the TM then a 3/4* U21 player..... Somebody say "they train faster", yeah that might be true. But then again, how many T do you need to spend on green boosters to get him to 5*, then to a 6* and finally to a 7*?
how much 5* 18 yo you get in your server? i get little .. and if i get them, they often slow trainer and they will have a hell bidding war that you may end up paying 20+ tokens .. i bought one for 31T once.. anyway they often are bad trainers ..EX: bought 19 yo with 6 skills point far from 6* at start of the season .. spend 10T on him .. he is no 51 QT .. thinking now of selling him next season .. have my 18 4* in same level by mid of season with spending 25T extra on greens .. but he will last for seasons for me without need of greensQuote:
Originally Posted by Ljepoje
I tend to have the better youth player as to me, they are likely to replace some of my other players that are either getting old or are better quality. I might power train them to a point if they are fast trainers as well.
IMO, the only time youth system is worth looking in is if they come to you in the first few days of the season. After that, by the time you train your 4* player to his 5th star, the season ends and he is a 4* player again..
Your scientific approach is lacking. It is not sufficient to be able to provide any conclusive data other than what you yourself see in your own games. The results from your games alone are not sufficient proof of what you conclude.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
youth player should be free as we pay money for building the academy
Free but 2*? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohamed K Albatta
Last season i had a full SA team and it didnt nearly perform as good as the players with no Sa i raised this season. My old 7* amc scored 11 goals and 12 assists with SS ability while my currrent 7* amc is at 20 goal 10 assist at mid season. Same modules, same mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
What youth is, is a mini scout source available to non T buyers. 20+ t for a player who will gain from a min of 1,3 to a max of 1,7 SPs per 30% 3 bars training is a good deal. Your 1 m Q 37 player will cease his usefulness in 1-2 seasons while this one will last. Will you alwais be able to replace your old player for 1 T? No. Will you alwais find one in TL? No.
At avg 1,5 sps x training hard he'll top your older player with about 40 greens and still train super fast.
Again, your experiences each year will vary and not be a representation of the whole. My 37Q AML/ML was $3M, so a medium trainer and will last more than a few years if he stays healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree
Face it, youth academies are useless for anyone except Tommys. The one jewel they might produce for a non-buyer is rare.
i totally agree, if it's my club's youth training centre then why can't I sign them just for $ and why don't we get any money if we choose to sell them instead of signing them ???
Dont sign em if you think it's not worth. I agree the fee is many times higher than the return, but not alwais. Also, you shouldconsider that youth atm are useless to token buyers only. Not on every server you can taks good players for 1 t, and overall in the season you might spend even more than 10-15 T on losing auctions, sometimes on even lesser players. I signed a youth in my alt account to make a lil test, paying 15 T, so not the best of the youth. He was 4* q27 and after half season he's sitting on a 8 avg score and Q32, peaking 135/155 on max training and breaking 150 per match.
i m sorry u miss the chance to build the school to level 3
Here's my top U18 I got at the beginning of the season for 21T:
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And here's one I got for free:
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nuf said...
ok how many specifically freekicks or penalties your x player score a season?Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
do your counts and tell me
Care to explain me how can he be 19 yo? sure he isnt from last season?Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmsnba13
Sorry, what does this prove? You lucked out?Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmsnba13
My scout ST with freekick scores a goal per game. Maybe half of them are freekicks. To be honest, I wasnt keeping track but I do know that without freekick, he wouldnt have that many goals. As I have not tracked his success rate, it is not fair to speculate his numbers. What I do know is that he is fairly frequent enough with his freekick success that I expect it almost every time....a bit disappointed when he misses...and he does miss occasionally. When he is injured or red carded and has to sit for a game, I dont get much success with players without freekick SA. I only had one player with this SA until a few days ago, so I really tried to keep him healthy for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
It will be different for everyone, the success rate....some more frequent than others. It is totally up to the NGE and unless you track 10-20 accounts, you wont be able to get a good enough sample to prove any theory.
I bought 5x of them this season and all of them are 8* now (high valued). My two U21 are arriving tomorrow, but I don't intend to keep them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
We only get server generated players on my server now and then, especially the first week. Then there players that managers sell that they don't tend to keep.
Yes, powertrain city here...when you buy or farm tokens like a madman, you can do this, otherwise, the average person doesnt care much for 18yo from the academy unless they are really worth it, which most are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ljepoje
[QUOTE=cracicot;90873]Sorry, what does this prove? You lucked out?
Look at the stats , 10 matches - 1 goal )))
Tbh you cannot put stuff like this into figures. I can go onto the TL and buy players for 1 token and other times its 10. Im not interested on how fast there going to train as tbh i can buy better, older players that may only last a season but are alot better than my youth product (who with normal training wont level up as fast as i will go up the levels). As for the nonsense about the SA you cannot say that it works 1 in 3/5 games, thats just utter crap! Ive a striker with freekick SA that scores 1 in 3 free kicks, never mind games! Hes scored 150 goals (roughly) in all competitions in 2 and a half seasons. People say the other SA dont work but tbh i think its just that the free kick ability is more memorable, gives you goals where as the others are defending SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
Bravo! Well said. I agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by herdo#2
You might be onto something there, as since I have got aerial ability and defensive wall I am not shipping so many goals!
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Originally Posted by cracicot
Yeah, the 5* 18-19yr olds are "only good" for PT and T-buyers, nothing else. Otherwise, I would rather buy a +20 with SA for 5 or 6T and squeeze the sh*t from him for 4 or 5 seasons instead.
The U21 players are crap, I don't even bother keeping them. ;)
Thats why when answering queries on here i ask if people a token buyers/ power trainers. Its relevance more than opinion! I dont power train (though i do buy 80 tokens a season, purely as farming is more hassle than its worth) and find that training speed is pretty irrelevant as players, regardless of speed arent fast enough on normal training. For the big token buyer/pwer trainer then training speeds are very relevant as they want as much bang for their buck as they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
Think more people should state their preference (non token buyer/token buyer/power trainer/both) when asking questions so that the right people on here can give the right advice.
