Top eleven stop selling tokens, stop cheating

And what about selling tokens? WHAT KIND OF ONLINE GAME AGAINST HUMANS OPONENTS USES REAL MONEY TO BUY "POWER" (TOKENS). WHAT KIND OF DEMOCRATIC GAME IS THIS BULL****?!?!? Selling tokens it's a handicap for every people with less real money to spend playing than every people with a little (or a lot of) more money than other people.

Using real money it is not democratic thinks. What about to vote the next president of the State? You can vote as many times as you pay "x"money to the state. Would be this democratic? Obviously no because just a 5 to 20 % of the people would vote at least 80% even more, votes, than the 80-95 of the all the other people.

HOW CAN YOU TOP ELEVEN SELLING "POWERS" WITH REAL MONEY TO PLAY A GAME??? But even more...

HOW CAN YOU TOP ELEVEN IN YOUR WEB SITES SAY TO THE WHOLE WORLD "PLAY TO DEMOSTRATE THAT YOU ARE A GREAT MANAGER... YOU CAN BE THE BEST MANAGER, DEMOSTRATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT FOOTBALL AND MANAGING FUTBOL CLUB TO BE THE BEST ONE..." BLABLABLA...

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT WHEN YOU ARE SELLING THE MAIN "POWER". JUST STOP SELLING POWER, JUST GIVE THE SAME POWER TO ALL PEOPLE OR LET US EARN SOME EXTRA POWER PLAYING THIS SAME GAME (TOP ELEVEN MANAGER) AND NOT PAYING REAL MONEY O FILLING STADISTICS OR DOWNLOADING SOFTWARE, ETC.... JUST GIVE US TOKENS PLAYING.

AND THE 6 STARS PLAYERS THE "VOYAGER" (SORRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT PERFECT) YOU SELL WITH 50 TOKENS MAYBE THEN YOU SHOULD ASK ONLY 20-30 TOKENS IF YOU LIKE, OR LEAVE IT LIKE NOW: 50. WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST WHEN YOU HAVE STOPPED SELLING TOKENS.

TOP ELEVEN IS LIKE CAPITALISM... IT'S FASCISM, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC GAME. AND ITS ADVERSTISEMENT AROUND THE WORLD THEY SAY UNREAL ADVERSTISMENT, UNREAL INFORMATION, JUST A SWIDDLE, ITS SAYS "DEMOSTRATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE MANAGING AND TRAINING YOUR OWN CLUB..."

WHILE YOU ARE SELLING TOKENS, YOU SHOULD SAY... "DEMOSTRATE HOW MUCH YOU LIKE MANAGING A FOOTBALL CLUB AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU, OR YOUR FAMILY, RICH."

I CAN MAKE ANYONE A BET: THE BEST MANAGERS OF THE WHOLE TOP ELEVEN GAME, ARE LIVING AT THE MOST RICH COUNTRYS (EXCEPT U.S.A. THERE WILL BE VERY FEW PEOPLE PLAY FOOTBALL, CALLED SOCCER) FROM THE NORTH OF THE EARTH, TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THE EARTH...

TOP ELEVEN DON´T HIDE THE STATISTICS OF THE BEST MANAGERS, AND SHOW US THE COUNTRYS OF EVERY LEVEL MANAGER. SHOW THE WINNERS LEAGUES, WINNERS CUPS, ETC, WHO THEY ARE... AND WHERE ARE THEY LIVING... ENGLAND, GERMANY, ETC, ...

MAYBE AT THE REAL FOOTBALL THEY ARE BEST, BUT NO SUCH DIFERENCE THAT WE CAN SEE, I´M PRETTY SURE, IN THE TOP ELEVEN MANAGER.

STOP SELLING TOKENS, YOU WANT TO EARN MONEY, JUST ADVERTISMENT IN YOUR WEBSITES AND THE SITE PEOPLE PLAYS TOP ELEVEN.

ANTIDEMOCRATIC RICH PEOPLE -> EQUAL... FASCIST PEOPLE.

****************+ IF PEOPLE COULDNT BUY TOKENS.... THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE BETS TO BUY A FOOTBALL PLAYER SPENDING 10-20 TOKENS SO EASYLY. EVEN MORE THAN 20 TOKENS. IT HAPPENS SO MANY TIMES...

TO BUY A FOOTBALL PLAYER, THE MOST EXPENSIVE WOULD BE 5 TO 10, SOME VERY EXCEPTION AROUND 20 TOKENS VERY, VERY, FEW TIMES. BUT NO... YOU SELL TOKENS, SO THERE ARE LOT OF TRADES COSTING 10-30 TOKENS, LOTS.... AND VERY FEW OF THEM THE MAIN HUMAN PLAYERS ARE LIVING IN POOR COUNTRYS, SOUTH COUNTRYS...

BECAUSE YOU SELL TOKENS. YOU, TOP ELEVEN INSTITUTION, YOU NORDEUS CORPORATION, YOU ARE INSIDE A MEGACORPORATION FROM THE EXTREME CAPITALISM THAT TOUCH DIRECTLY, CLOSELY, FRIENDLY, WITH FASCISM.

IM not reading all that ****e but where does it say this game has democratic values??? Its a game not a government!

For goodness sake, what are you talking about?

He is saying that this game is a cash grab of the worst kind, which is true.

I said many times now
DON'T RAGE THEM OR THEY WILL SHUT DOWN T11!!!

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Originally Posted by herdo

im not reading all that ****e but where does it say this game has democratic values??? Its a game not a government!

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"democratic" it is just a seem (sorry my english), parabolic, that means "justice", "fair play"

****** fair play *********

if i play a game against another people (a chessgame, a cards games, dice game, backgammon, or just "street fighter") against human people, it is not democratic buy power, or buy a chessquen to checkmate a better oponent, or to buy doubles in a backgammon game, so i need to buy also doubles so i can win you or you cannot win me so easily, etc... So the poor people, and the less rich people its totally damage, totally handicap, there is not any "fair play" at all.

Any one.

If the old big machins "input coin for play" at the saloons... You play against another human been, and then there is option (street fighter game exemple, or any one against another human been) there is option to inser another coin while you are fighting against the other human been, and you have extra power, or extra strongh fighting.... Or extra live, etc...

What do you think about that??? Did they that kiind of stupity game??? With big machines that people insert coins to play a football match and then who has more coins in poket, and so is less poor, is winning because he will input more coins than you...

What stupidity is that?? What democratic, or justice, or fair play is that?!?!?!?!?


Football and games, are suposed to be "fair play". But not for fascism like big corporations.... They are so ****ing fascism, that they sell tokens.... Lol

hahahahahahaha

I repeat, for the rich people who is more dificult to understand the unfair play of selling tokens.

There is not any fair play selling tokens and never could be fair play when the real money influences so directly. 1€ its to many money for nigerian people, or hamaican people, 1 euro, 1dollar, its a lot, 10 dollars it is a mont salary in some countrys, in another countrys 100 dollars or euros its a month salary, in anothers countrys 500 dollars or euros, anothers 300, anothers 700, etc, etc...

There is not any fair play

i repeat,

no
fair
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An online game (that means internet game, and that means for the whole world) should be "democratic". NOT ANY REAL MONEY WHILE PLAYING SHOULD PARTICIPATE (sorry my english)

YOU, YOU, YOU FASCIST, RACIST, CAPITALIST, COMMUNIST, DICTATORIST, SOCIAL-ANALIST, PRAGMATIST, DOGMATIST, CHEATERIST!
HOW DARE YOU PAY RESEARCHERS, DEVELOPERS, DESIGNERS, GAME CODERS WEB HOSTERS AND ADVERTISERS
TO CREATE A FREE ONLINE GAME AND THEN TRY TO MAKE SOME MONEY AFTER ALL YOUR INVESTMENTS!
YOU, YOU, YOU ARE DESTROYING MY LIFE BECAUSE I MUST WIN! I MUST!!!
can i has some tokens?
:D

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Originally Posted by itayfranko

YOU, YOU, YOU FASCIST, RACIST, CAPITALIST, COMMUNIST, DICTATORIST, SOCIAL-ANALIST, PRAGMATIST, DOGMATIST, CHEATERIST!
HOW DARE YOU PAY RESEARCHERS, DEVELOPERS, DESIGNERS, GAME CODERS WEB HOSTERS AND ADVERTISERS
TO CREATE A FREE ONLINE GAME AND THEN TRY TO MAKE SOME MONEY AFTER ALL YOUR INVESTMENTS!
YOU, YOU, YOU ARE DESTROYING MY LIFE BECAUSE I MUST WIN! I MUST!!!
can i has some tokens?
:D

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ADVERSTISMENT (PUBLICIDAD) JUST THAT. Or sell the game, just one "buy" to download software and connect to the server. Just 1 pay. If someone can not pay for it, bad think (but that people either is going to play right now: selling tokens)

So if you sell the game just one time for every new signer in people (and not selling tokens) then... at least YOU WILL HAVE A JUSTICE GAME FOR ALL US (ALL US, WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS, THE BUYERS) AND THE BUYERS OF THE GAME, WOULD BE PLAYING AT A MORE SAME CONDITIONS, NO MORE MONEYS DIRECTLY PARTICIPATING GETTING MORE AND MORE POWER, AND MORE, AND MORE, AND MORE... TILL THE INFINITE

If some one can not pay,buy, to download this software just one time (10-20-30-50 dollars, etc) he is not going to play this game right now selling tokens, may be he tries at the beginning to know this game, and a few days laters, or weeks, or 2-3 seasons (months) he will get worried, and stop playing. AT THE RICH COUNTRYS WILL BE THE SAME, the most rich people at the most rich countrys will play so far away, and the less rich people at this most rich countrys will play a lot, but no so far away like the most rich of this sames countrys. ALLWAYS CLASIFICATION THE MANAGE LEVEL, AND THE SUCCESS OF THE GAME BECAUSE SELLING TOKENS...

NO ANY FAIR PLAY FOR ANY ONE. FROM THE POOREST PEOPLE TO THE RICHEST PEOPLE.

TOP ELEVEN MANAGER it is a game that says to us: "IF YOU WANT TO WIN, YOU DONT NEED TO BE THE BEST PLAYER, NOT EVEN BETTER PLAYER THAT ANOTHER PLAYER. YOU JUST NEED TO INSERT SOME MORE FEW COINS THAN THE BEST PLAYERS, AND YOU WILL BE THE NEW BEST PLAYER. THE PEOPLE WHO INSERT MORE COINS, WILL BE THE BEST PLAYERS". MORE COINS, AND MORE, AND MORE, AND MORE, AND SO FAR TILL THE INFINIT OF THE UNIVERSE....

CAN ANYONE IMAGINE THERE IS THE SAME MONEY CONDITION TO PLAY STREET FIGHTER GAME, OR TO PLAY FORMULA1, OR TO PLAY FIFA... THEY SAY TO US "INSERT COINS WHEN YOU LIKE AND YOUR FIGHTER WILL BE STRONGER, OR YOUR FERRARI WILL BE FASTER, OR YOUR MESSI FIFA PLAYER WILL BE BETTER THAN THE MESSI FIFA PLAYER OF YOUR OPONENT".

COULD YOU IMAGINE ANYTHINK LIKE THAT?!?!!?? IT IS RIDICOUSLY. SO THIS IS WHAT TOP ELEVEN DOES.

(someone lost to a token buyer?)

Non-token buyers: "it's not fair that I have to play against higher quality teams in the champions league and league, this game is evil!"

Token buyers: "it's not fair that I have to play against equal quality teams in the cup, this game is evil!"

Can't please everyone everywhere, which is why I guess the cup is different. Enjoy the game for what it is, enjoy beating the occasional token buyer who is a poor manager. It's a commercial game, can't blame them for creating a wildly popular game and make some money from it. Capitalism at it's best/worst, but going as far as calling it fascism? Hmm....

Lester, It's a free world (well, parts of it, anyway), and you can choose which game you want to buy, play for free or play for paid tokens.
so instead of trying to educate Nordeus and us, search for another football manager game.
there are at least 5-6 others out there. maybe one of them will be more to you liking :D
Good luck!

Come to think of it...it's actually incredibly realistic! Aren't there teams in the big leagues out there that simply buy their success? I applaud Nordeus for coming up with the token system to simulate such realism! Bravo!

Uh how do you suggest that Nordeus gets income without tokens? Unless they introduce ads.

this is a token game! Not a football manager game! Or in other word is a **** game!
Buy tokens = dont know how to play this game!
Buy tokens = embarrassed yourself!
Buy tokens = monkey!
Go to hell t11!

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Originally Posted by Maranwe

Come to think of it...it's actually incredibly realistic! Aren't there teams in the big leagues out there that simply buy their success? I applaud Nordeus for coming up with the token system to simulate such realism! Bravo!

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It's not realistic. The real managers don´t "input new coins" (more money) every season and at the middle of the season. They (re)use the money the get from the finance and the managing (ads, tv, selling official t-shirts, partners, etc, etc) for the next season and for any bid new player during a season. No managers, not even the most important football clubs, needs a "stupid rich" loosing money every season to keep being the best club of his league. No way. Rich people is not silly, they don't spend millions every year from his pocket. The money it's from the club environment (partners-fans, tv rights, ads, selling t-shirts around his town, and after around his country, and if the club grops up they sell t-shirts and tv rights and more ads... around the world, clasificiying to cups... winning games... etc) All those things and similar give the money. The money comes from all that. Not coming from the pocket of the manager.

The real managers (at real world) are not silly, are not going to loose their millionaire VISA, with no money coming back to their pockets. So either be silly you, thinking that top eleven is realistic buying tokens so you can fight against others top eleven managers that they also buy tokens for the same reason as you... and so far every top eleven manager as his pocket can achieve tokens)

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Enjoy the game for what it is, enjoy beating the occasional token buyer who is a poor manager. It's a commercial game, can't blame them for creating a wildly popular game and make some money from it. Capitalism at it's best/worst, but going as far as calling it fascism? Hmm....

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I try to enjoy this game. I think it's a great idea game. But I hate top eleven pervert this "great idea game" selling tokens because the vanity from gigantisc corporation that nordeus corporation it is inside a extreme gigantisc corporation".

Telling me to enjoy a game such this one that sell tokens (power supply) to my opponents, it is like saying anyone to enjoy fifa football game of play station, or street fighter player just to enjoy the game while his opponent can keep buying more power supply (tokens) for his doll-player.

So that argument it is not a serious argument.

Well nobody have their hands into your pockets buddy and, after all, they have to live and make this game better, thus needing some tokens/money. What in this world is free? Maybe air? :confused:

And I repeat an answer to someone that said to me that is natural there is extra money tu support the developers of this software... And I say, that is not the reason to sell tokens. The real reason are much worst for this corporation. Because even facebook, youtube, google, etc and even anothers smallest websites, they get finance to keep the website and developing it, without asking us "insert coin to finnance the support and develop of this website".

There is no need to sell tokens to make this website-game and to finance this "great-idea-game-international-famous-sport-arround all the world world-internet".

Do you know how many players are in top eleven? Millions around the world... Thats a whole lot, and could be more if this game doesn't let the richest players buying power supplys (tokens). That is too much people to say there is a need for selling tokens to keep and develop this website game.

are you not happy enough that you maybe succeeding in the game, the honest way, by not spending real money, youre playing the game the true way. and with that success that you get feels even better because you have earnt it rather than bought it. it is a game at the end of the day. and you arent gaining financially from it. if real money was at stake id understand this constant flow of moaning threads

To be honest, if nordeus removed tokens, they probably would introduce something like coins for a means of revenue.

Have you tried to play other online sports management games? Every one of those games has things they sell for money (tokens, reputation points, pro days, etc.) that make it easier to win the game. Nordeus guys want to make money, if you don't like the product they give you for free, don't play it but they won't change it and they shouldn't either.

Chill.

And breath.......

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Originally Posted by pnr8555

I said many times now
DON'T RAGE THEM OR THEY WILL SHUT DOWN T11!!!

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Sorry, what is your point?

If they shut down T11, I will find another game. I wont cry, I wont be upset. My wife will be happier.

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Originally Posted by Maranwe

Come to think of it...it's actually incredibly realistic! Aren't there teams in the big leagues out there that simply buy their success? I applaud Nordeus for coming up with the token system to simulate such realism! Bravo!

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Incredibly realistic?

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Dammit, ANOTHER pair of underwear soiled from laughing so hard.

Good one.

You work for Nordeus right? Your post is a dead giveaway. :rolleyes:

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Well nobody have their hands into your pockets buddy and, after all, they have to live and make this game better, thus needing some tokens/money. What in this world is free? Maybe air? :confused:

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Yes, but for how much longer will the air be free?

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To be honest, if nordeus removed tokens, they probably would introduce something like coins for a means of revenue.

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If Nordeus removed PAYING for tokens, this game would be the most fair of all football simulations. You would still EARN the tokens just like now with the current setup, but you would be on a level playing field with every other manager and your tactics and skill would mean more in this game.

Paying for tokens cause this game to be completely unfair on every level. That cannot be argued.

But we all have to remember that this is a business and not a game for them. They dont give a **** as long as the money keeps rolling in. If you think otherwise, then you are an idiot. We are all still waiting for them to fix the GLARING issues that have plagued this game for many months. They have given no indication of fixing any of them, no matter how many people post.

Where is MDKII these days, besides closing down threads such as this one, very soon? As soon as someone complains and people start to jump on the bandwagon, it gets shutdown...damage control.

But at the end of the day, nothing gets fixed. They try to make the game more slick, but they should be making the game more enjoyable and logical.

FIX THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE BEEN POSTING ABOUT!

Scheduling issues, GK bug, injuries, scout lists, cup formats, illegal formations...the list grows and no word from Nordeus that anything is being done.

I find it really funny that someone actually posts this.

In real life, capitalists condemn people who support socialism and communism, by labeling them as lazy bums who don't earn their own pay check living off welfare. To an extend, social democrats and even libertarians, do this. Here, in this thread, we've got someone who is demanding that we adopt communism within the game framework, which was built upon capitalism.

Society should really figure out what it really wants. LMAO. No wonder faith in humanity is at an all time low. lol...

Stop raging. If I can last and win some of my 17 seasons without spending real money, anyone can. Is T11 the first FB game you've played? If you did, you would know that every game has a similar system. How old are you anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if you were 11. Nobody's asking you to play. Nobody's asking people to pay (I realize Nordeus makes it very enticing to but it's still not an obligation). The rules of a sport won't adjust to a single player. It's up to the player if he mans up or keeps whining. (I also realize some rule changes were caused by single players but I think you get my point)

This is a stupid topic.

Top 11 is your first online game or? All games are selling "powers" like you are calling them, is something normal, Top 11 is part of a company is normal to want moneys, they are working hard for a better game, maybe if you would try other games (don't need to be a football manager) you will see is same.

I think you should calm down, topic closed, you can use the vent thread in general discussions.