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dose short pass work better with 442 or 41212 narrow diamond?
am asking that bcz the distance between def/mid/att seem far longer than if i used DMC and AMC which logically make narrow diamond ideal for short passes ..
if that is the case, then for short passing is better to have AMC/AML/AMR and possibly DMC too (although i think is not that important compared to the other 3 positions) while mix is better for the rest
so is my assumption is correct or not?
Its debatable... I was told short passing with flat formations works best. Not been tested though
but flat means the largest distance between each line ...which is not logical !! ..Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
may be it work with more attacking mentality and more red arrows in teams , meaning more players are going forward to attack ..
Im not sure how this game works lol... if playing whole pitch, your players will be everywhere so short passing could be used then to control the passingQuote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
All my experimentation with butterfly comfirmed its the best passing option for the 3-2-2-2-1 also.Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
In my experience and going by the logic that you've explained - short passes would work better with non-flat formations and even more effective when you focus passing through a particular area of the field where you have a lot of players. Especially when you're playing through the middle as it would simply be dumb to focus all of your team on either of the flanks.
However, this doesn't mean that long passes couldn't be better in some of these cases. For example, when your opponent plays a formation with 5 men in the middle line (flat, ML, 3MCs, MR), then you are doomed to fail with short passes - it's better to try with long passes "above" them to reach your AMs or STs.
I think it is based on the proximity of your players to each other. Some formations there is wide space and it makes sense to not have short, Barcelona-style passing, where long through-balls make more sense.
butterfly, n.diamond, anything where the players are compact, I would use short passing.
that make sense .. so is best to be used when attacking and closing down the whole pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
it make sense bcz your players are close to each other anyway, having DML/DMR/AML/AMR in between the 3 linesQuote:
Originally Posted by KoHearts
agree .. if opposition have one line crowded like 5 in mid in 451 flat, is wiser to send balls above themQuote:
Originally Posted by Narf
totally agree with this theoryQuote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
another QS is .. if play let us say 4222 hexagon ? and decided to play counter attack with short passes? will it work?
I tested mixed passing with the narrow diamond and lost with my subs as I've already won the league. 80% passing accuracy, could of been higher, tbh.
could have been higher had you been using your top 11. not a fair stab at it, dont you think? If passing accuracy was the stat that told you that this theory works, wouldnt you use your best players to make sure that you have a baseline and THEN test with several other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pistolero
Yeah but there was only one 4 star, the rest were 5 stars and 1 6 star. I still had more quality than my opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by cracicot
how was it with short passing only? better?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pistolero
man .. when i test .. i care less about team quality .. i play one half with with short and another with mix .. so let us see if passing, possession and shoots increase or reduce is easy to spot the difference ..Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pistolero
now only 2 variables can effect the result of that test. which is team stamina and some randomized factor
so to be sure i try it another game but inverse it to mix at first half and short at 2nd just to be sure stamina was not an issue
I try it atleast once a season because I'm a fan of AC Milan when they were dominant with the diamond. I can name their 11 off the top of my head.
In my opinion, short passing is better with formations with DMC and AML, AMR and AMC but that's just from my experience. It cuts out mistakes but may limit chances. I'll test short passing, whole press, attack with the diamond in near future and I'll make a post about the stats.
Uhm, logically short passing is adapted for formation attack through middle, and long for formation attack through flanks, I normaly go with these and only change to mixed if only my team aint doing good job after 1st half!
am planning to test it during Matches, bcz i think long is only for counter attacksQuote:
Originally Posted by gohannie
meanwhile i have a dilemma when it comes to passing short
my favorite formation to counter 442 is 32W212 attack through the mid the QS is dose shorting passing work here?
-----st----st
-------amc
----mc----mc
dml-----------dmr
----dc-dc-dc-
so my problems, is if i order my players to pass short, will they pass to the wing backs ? bcz i ordered them to attack from the mid, meaning if they insisted to pass through the mid am screwed bzc i will break the chain ,.. i see little difference switching between mix and short passing or attack central or mix
It has been prooved that short passing works well with formation with 1 attacking line (mc,Amc,ST), so i think short passing fits your 1 attacking line well! However, againts any crowded mids formation, shost passing certainly doesnt work (unless your players are far better than your rival mans), and we have to change to mixed passing for better result! This is my idea after quite a few examination.Quote:
Originally Posted by shwanko07
On the other hand, sending dmr,dml up field will break your short passing style for sure, as you plan to attack through flanks as well. My choice is mixed passing for your case, wondering what others think bout this formation!
uhm, case solved if you remove red arrows from your wing backs, then red arrows on amc and maybe 2 STS with short passing will fit your team well 0-0
hmmm will apply it and see it .. cheers guys
hmmm I always have been playing mixed passing , should I be trying to play short ?? ( I'm not sure it helps with the game just maybe the stats ) !! still not convinced but need advice on this one I think
I use short passing when I want to gain more possession, basically when I am the weaker team I consider it. I use Maple Leaf or Narrow Diamond when using short passing, thinking those have positions near each other all the way up the field. It does seem to help. :)
Hi Guys, this topic is debateable over a while. I myself also made several attempts to test the whole pitch pressing and known passing types. I am not saying my idea is the best posible answer for the controversial thread but i devide the cases in 2 type: Theory and top eleven case.
1. Theory:
- it is about the line gap btwn your player. Apart from mid line, if you have attacking mid line (AMC/R/L), the gap btwn your players is shorter, so short passing makes senses. But it is tough to say whether you should play own half or wholepitch, too hard....
- Playing own half, when you press at your half, it means you have chances to launch counter attacks, long passing make senses
- Playing whole pitch with attacking mode, no matter what your formation is, your players will be crowded in your rival half, it will be suitable to play short passing as you dont want to waste chances launching a long ball to no where after several attempts to get the ball back. To control the game with whole pitch pressing, you should use short passes.
2. Top eleven case:
- throw away all above theories, and this game is built on Java, using a game engine so anything is possible, and everything is not so important, all theories are not really adaptable here. I say, game engine decide 70% of the final result......
- Tell me what you think....
Hi. Good question, as for me short passing doesnt work, if i use it i have one of the lowest G/A ever, very few total shots, n even less shots on target. Seems they forget to score if short passing. So i switched back to mixed, that's the best i think
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