'Justdomes' guide of being successfull Manager Part 1.

Thanks to justdome, from the old school. This will answer most of your questions if not all about improving your managerial skills.
Please also bare in mind that the game engine has been tweaked since this invaluable information was given.


JUSTDOME'S GUIDE TO THE MANAGER

Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 13:20
This is an attempt at compiling a semi-complete guide that'll help new players better understand this awesomely addictive game. I hope it answers many of the common questions about formations, tactics, players, improvement and so forth.

Before starting I'd like to thank you all for playing, as each and every one of you are the bricks to this game. Always remember to have fun and that the only true way to succeed is to experiment, as no guide can be as complete as to serve as a walkthrough to the complexity of countless options Top Eleven offers.

As the game is constantly being updated, I'll try to keep up with the changes, but if you notice something wrong please let me know so I can correct it faster.

Thank you.

Contents.

1. Teams. How to build one.

2. Players.
2.1 Age.
2.2 Special abilities.
2.3 Purchasing players.

3. Training & Improvement.
3.1 Purchasing roles & special abilities.
3.2 Skill point assigning: Defense, Attack and P&M.
3.3 Skill advancement table.

4. Tactics: How they work.
4.1 Mentality.
4.2 Pitch pressure.
4.3 Flank, mixed and central passing.
4.4 Some like it short others love them long (passes).
4.5 Tackling.
4.6 Marking style
4.7 Free kick, corner kick and penalty takers.
4.8 Force counter and offside trap.

5. Basic formations and their counters.
5.1 Choosing the right formation & advanced formations.
5.1.1 Illegal formations.
5.2 Choosing players: morale, condition & form.

6. Facilities


1. Team

If you plan on playing more than 1 competition, and specially if you plan on playing all 3 competitions (League, Champions and Cup). You’ll need a complete roster with 22 players that play as 2 separate but very similar teams of 11. For that you’ll need:

- 5 to 6 DC’s
- 2 DMC’s
- 2DL/DML and 2DR/DMR
- 2ML/AML and 2MR/AMR
- 4 to 5 MC’s
- 2 AMC’s
- 3 to 4 ST’s
- 2 GK’s

It should look something like this:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2yo8ms5.jpg

This was my squad at the end of last season, notice that I'm an ML/AML and an AMR short. But even with 4 injured players, I can still field a very decent team.

Versatility is highly recommended. Players that have more than one position come in very handy when you have injured or penalised players. I try to always buy players that have at least 2 positions.

Using a player outside ther natural position should be avoided whenever possible, but isn't the end of the world as long as it's not too far away from that position vertically or horizontally (but not in diagonal, except for strikers).

So a DMC will make a decent DC, DML, DMR and MC and a ST will make a decent AMC, AML and AMR. Just don't do this too often or the player's form will drop (Yes, in some instances your goalkeeper can have better finishing skill than your main striker, but if you use him as a striker he won't perform according to his stats and his form will drop like a bomb).

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 13:21
2. Players.

2.1 Age:

Young players develop quickly if your facilities are upgraded and you play them every day. Careful though, a young player means that he’ll be around the same number of stars for longer, not that he’ll become a great player with time (Unless you fail to qualify for the next tier, has an huge training factor or you spend a big ammount of tokens in training). A 2 star player from your youth facilities will –at best- remain with 2 stars for the next season.

Older players are sometimes preferable, as you’ll receive more stars for the same amount of money. Yes, they won’t develop as quickly, but you’ll get at least a good season from them. It comes down to the amount of money and tokens you are planning to spend. If you have a lot of resources, then buy 4 star young players, if you have limited resources, it’s better to buy a 4 star 28 year old than a 3 star 22 year old.
The only difference will be how many seasons they’ll stay in your team.

I don’t recommend buying players older than 27 or 28 as they develop around 8 times slower than young players. That means that next season they won’t be of much use.


2.2 Special ability:

If you have to choose between a good player without a special ability and a mediocre player with one, go for the good player. Special abilities are only really useful on players with good quality. A 5 star plain goalkeeper will be many times better than a 4 star One-on-one specialist. Of course, a 5 star one-on-one specialist is amazing (but I’d still prefer a 6 star plain goalkeeper). The above is specially true for CS and FS specialities. A plain player with 30 crossing skill will be much better at corner kicks than a Corner specialist with 20 crossing skill.

SS-Shadow striker. This players have improved shots from the attacking midfield area. This is desirable for AML,AMR and AMC.

DR-Dribbling specialist. This players have an easier time avoiding markers and getting to the attaking portion of the field to shoot or short pass. This is desirable on ML,MR, MC, AML, AMR, AMC and ST.

PM-Playmaker. This players have improved passing skills and are useful both on midfield and attacking midfield.

OS-One-on-one scorer. This players have improved scoring chances when facing the goalkeeper from a short distance. Highly desirable for ST and somewhat desirable for attacking midfielders.

FS-Free kick specialist. Probably the most noticeable specilty if used on a good player. A 5 star FS player will rarely miss a free kick. As more and more people use hard tackling, investing on a great FS player is a must. A good free kick taker has high shooting and high crossing skills.

CS-Corner specialist. Another noticeable specialty if used on a player with good crossing skills.

OS-One-on-one stopper. The exact opposite of one-on-one scorer.

PS-Penalty specialist. Generally a waste. Any decent player will score a penalty and there aren’t many penalties to be scored anyway.

PS-Penalty kick stopper. Generally a waste. It’s hard to stop penalties, even for 5 star GK’s with this specialty. It’s only useful in Champions and Cup matches that are defined in a penalty shoot out.

DW-Defensive wall. This players have improved chances of stopping mid range shots on goal. Highly desirable for Defenders.

AD-Aerial defender. This players have improved chances of blocking crosses. Highly desirable for Defenders.

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:30
2.3 Purchasing

Buying players requires a lot of thought, skill and luck, or a bunch of tokens. Sometimes a combination of both. The higher your level, the steeper the curve. The first few seasons you can buy 4 star players with very few tokens, but as you advance, you’ll find that an 18 year old 4 star player with a specialty can easily be sold for up to 3 times it’s value after 50+ rounds.

Luckily, the difference between players is also reduced with each season. In season 1 the skill difference between a 2 star player (10 skill) and a 4 star player (20 skill) is 100%. By season 4 the skill difference is only 25%. In higher seasons where it’s very hard to purchase 4 star players, the difference is barely noticeable.

So if you are struggling to keep a good team because you can’t afford to buy tokens, focus on advancing to the next tiers. It’ll be easier to have a competitive team then. Of course, in those tiers most players will have a lot of skill.

General Strategy:

Most advanced and wealthy managers will target the youngest, most expensive best available players. If your target is a 4-5 star 18 year old with a specialty, be ready to compete against people that not only know what they are doing, but also have the resources for it.

That young player can easily be great for 4 seasons, good for another 2 and decent for his final 2. You can play him beyond that, but he’ll just won’t make the difference he did when you first bought him. On the other hand, you can purchase 2 older players of comparable skill for less resources and hassle. The downside is that they won’t last as long.

When to buy

Plan ahead and buy at the start of a season. If you buy a 4 star player the last day of a season, he’ll have become a 3 star player next season with a much decreased value. This is very important for young players you want to develop, as you want them to grow along with your team while they are useful at the same time.

For example: If you buy an expensive 21 year old 4-star player at the end of the season, he’ll become a 22 year old 3-star player within a couple of days and he’ll remain with 3 stars much of the season, then reach 4 stars by the end of the season and repeat the cycle until age catches up with him. This player will be mediocre for as long as you keep him. You would be much better off waiting for next season and buying an older 4 star player.

The exception to this is to look for bargains at the end of the season. As the season end draws near, I “unload” the players that I feel won’t be able to keep up with the rest of the squad. This commonly means 4 star players, sometimes with a specialty, that I sell for their lowest sale value just to make room for players next season. Die-hard fanatics (like me) do this every season. If your team is below par, many of this players will be above average even after the new season starts.

Comparative value between players.

You’ll often see 2 players with the same age and number of stars with different value.
This is because of a combination of 2 reasons:

-Training speed and specialty

A player with a specialty will be worth somewhat more than a plain player, but the main difference comes from training speed. To spot this difference is vital if you wish to buy a young player.

A young player with slow training speed won’t develop fast enough to make a difference or keep up with the team. In time he’ll age without ever having grown to fulfill your expectations. On the other hand, a young player with fast training speed will probably outgrow your older players and be with the team a long time. The difference can be huge, with some players gaining skills 2-3 times faster than others of the same age.

Notice the hefty difference in improvement between this players after a normal stretching session.

http://i47.tinypic.com/23i9ij8.jpg

So how can I spot the comparative value? Simple. Just look for 2 players with the same age & skill level. The most expensive one will train faster. (The difference can be up to 3 times the value between each player).

http://i50.tinypic.com/2a6841d.jpg

For older players this isn’t nearly as important, and if anything, it’s important in the opposite way. You don’t want to overpay for a 28 year old with a high training factor since he won’t develop much anyway. You’d be better off with a cheaper player with more stars.

Edit: To clear some confusion. The value of a player depends on his skill, age and training speed, not the other way around.

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:32
3 Training & Improvement.

Training your players is one of the key factors to this game. How fast a player improves depends on 6 factors:

- Average skill

Undeveloped players will gain skill points faster than players that are already very good. For instance, a 2 star player will train roughly twice as fast as one with 4 stars (Considering the remaining 5 factor are the same for both).

- Intensity & Type of training

There really isn't a reason apart from time to use anything but normal intensity. Hard intensity increases your gains by the same ammount it increases the condition loss but with a higher chance of injury.

Remember, always train after you played all your matches for the day. First add how much condition you'll recover until your next match the next day and train accordingly. Players recover 5% every 3 hours, so if it's 10:00AM and my next match is at 9:00AM the next morning I'll recover 35% condition. That means I should train until my players are around 64% condition, that way they'll be back to 99% condition by the time I need them to play.

Note: Be careful not to overtrain your players as this will lead to poor performance in your games if they start out already tired.

- Age.

I've already covered much of this above. Players from 18 to 21 train very fast. 22 to 25 train fast. 26 to 29 still improve (although slowly) and players older than that improve only a small portion of what a young player does.

To exemplify, this is the result after 1 normal stretching session (which should yield 10% increase):

http://i49.tinypic.com/29lhdtk.jpg

As you can see, the age multiplier is around x8, x4, x2 and x1 for the youngest bracket to the oldest. This means that under equal circumstances, the youngest players will gain 8 times as many points as the oldest.

Note: Please consider that all the other factors affect the result so it's possible for an old player with a high training factor that played a match to actually train faster than a young player with a low training factor that didn't get any time on the pitch.

- Level of your training facilities.

It's imperative that your training facilities are improved to the maximum available level. Not only will you get green medkits more often (to restore player's condition) but your player's improvement is enhanced by them.

- Training factor.

Also discussed above in the players & purchasing post (comparative value).

- Playing regularly.

In order to improve at it's fullest, a player must play every day. Not only do you get valuable skill point after the match, but those who played will get extra benefit from their training that day. Players in the bench also gain some improvement, but much less than those on the starting 11. Lastly, players that don't play will gain very little improvement. Be warned however, players also need rest from time to time. If you always use the same players their form will drop (this is discussed below).

This is where having 2 complete teams of 11 players becomes important. It gives you the opportunity to improve everyone without over-exerting your key players. Successful and lucky managers, will be playing 2 games per day (League and CL or Cup). In case you only have 1 game, play a friendly match so everyone gets some pitch action.

3.1 Purchasing roles & special abilities.

As I mentioned before, in earlier levels, better quality players are more desirable than players with a specialty. But there's no reason you can't have both if your player has a high training factor and he's young and undeveloped enough to make it worth it. I don't recommend buying specilties for older players for the reasons I described in 2.2, mainly that most specialties requiere that your player is very good to make any difference and that it's very hard to earn skill points with those developed players.

If your player already has 3-4 stars and is 18 or 19 years old (maybe even 20) and you plan to keep him for a long time, then go ahead and purchase a specialty or a new role. Just keep in mind that it takes 40-50 training points to do so, enough to earn 3 skill levels. So the choice between a normal striker with 40 skill or a one-on-one striker with 37 skill is yours.

On the other hand, older players will probably take over a season to gain 50 skill points, and by the time your 4 star 26 year old striker manages to become a one-on-one striker he won't be very good anymore. Even if you use tokens, they are better spent in younger players, as you get a much better return in training/tokens used.

As you level up, this changes a little every season. Since the difference between skill levels becomes less dramatic (as described in point 2.3), the cost of opportunity to gain a specialty becomes less steep. For instance, a plain DC with 90 skill VS an aerial defender DC with 87 skill.

3.2 Skill point assigning: Defense, Attack and P&M.

A common question is whether to spend any skill points in defense in a striker, or attack in a defender, and there is no undeniably right answer to that. It's a matter of personal choice.

All skills are of some value to each kind of player. For instance, a striker that you never spend skill points in defense will have very low heading skill, receive a lot of crosses and miss them. He'll score most of his goals through his shooting and finishing skills. A defender that you never spend any attack skill points will have a very low passing score, so even after a successful tackle, he'll send a pass that'll get intercepted.

For the above reason, I try to keep my players somewhat balanced. My defenders have no more than 6 points in their primary skills (defensive) than in attack, and my strikers have no more than 6 points in their primary skills (attack) than in defensive. My midfielders are perfectly balanced while defensive midfielders are a little tilted towards defensive and attacking midfielders towards attack.

Physical & mental skills are valuable to everyone so I keep this skills at the same level as the primary skills for a player. If you spend all your striker's skill points in attack, he'll not only miss all his headers, but will also be very slow, will lack stamina and will lose the ball frequently when contested.

A matter of great controversy are the skills needed by a Goalkeeper. Sadly, I don't have an answer. I like to think that instead of needing the actual skills, a goalkeeper's success is measured in raw level, something like a 40 skill level GK is better than a 39 skill level GK no matter where the points are spent. Of course, at the moment, I'm just guessing like everybody else.

3.3 Skill to advancement table.

1 star = 5 skill levels.
1 skill level = 3 skill grades.
1 skill grade = 5 skill points.

So it's 75 skill points to earn a star.

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:39
4 Tactics: How they work.

To understand the tactical choices in Top Eleven, you must see them as tiny parts of a machine, formations included. They can't be taken apart as they are part of a whole. You must understand what you are doing like if it were real players in a real match. After all, you don't see Pep Guardiola managing Barcelona using 3 strikers and 3 attacking midfielders and ordering them to play defensively while chasing the ball all over the pitch trying man-on-man marking, do you?.

4.1 Mentality.

This is the measurement of how much your players will attempt to go forward and attack. Defensive mentality means they'll play cautiously, and attacking mentality means that even your defenders will move forward to support your attacks. It also affects how much your players will shoot, cross and pass, which could lead to goals (good), losing possession (bad) and even counter-attacks (awful).

4.2 Pitch pressure.

This is the measurement of how far into the pitch your players will "chase" the ball.

Own half means that once the ball is in your opponent's possesion and within your half of the field, available players within their marking reach will attempt to take the ball away from the attacking player.

Whole pitch means that all your players will attempt to take away the ball from all opponents within their marking reach no matter where they are. This tires the players more, but as you gain control of the ball further into the opposing side of the pitch, it also improves your chances at goal. Of course, it also means that all your players will be further up the pitch, leaving you vulnerable to counter-attacks.


4.3 Flank, mixed and central passing.

This is where you choose where most of your passes will be, or where your players will try to move the ball from and to. Among the most important tactics, as this is the "steering wheel" of your formation.

This can make or break a formation if chosen right or wrong. Obviously, in order to use flank passing, you need a formation with wingers and in order to use center passing effectively, you need players in the middle.

4.4 Some like it short others love them long (passes).

Short passing: High ball possesion, a lot of time between plays. Needs a solid midfield that can feed passes to the forwards.

Long passing: Low ball possesion, little time between plays. This passes may fly past opposing midfielders and land succesfully near a striker. Ideal for counter-attacking football.

4.5 Tackling.

This is the intensity with which your players will try to disposses the opponent.

-Easy tackling. Use this if your opponent has a high skill free kick specialist or if you don't want to risk getting penalised, specially if your players have low form.

-Normal tackling. This is what you'll use most of the time, a decent tackling rate without having to deal with too many free kicks and cards.

-Hard tackling. Use this when playing against better teams, specially those without Free kick specialists. Using hard tackling and having defensive wall defenders and a good goalkeeper is a good strategy. Be aware that players with low form will get penalised very often with this kind of tackling.

4.6 Marking style

By far, the most difficult tactical aspect to understand, adapt and use. There are too many factors that affect and are affected by marking type to write a simple walkthrough: Lenght of passes, crosses and shots, difference in defender VS striker quality, formations, condition... The best I can do is point the guidelines to help understand when to use each kind of marking.

-Man-on-man marking:

This kind of marking means that every player is assigned an opposing player. They'll chase that player wherever he goes when defending and only leave his side when attacking. Defenders are assigned to block strikers, defensive midfielders and wingbacks are assigned to block attacking midfielders, midfielders are assigned to block the opponent's and lastly, strikers are assigned to mark the ocasional attacking defenders.

For the above reasons, man-on-man marking is only useful if your formation has enough defenders to stop the strikers, enough defensive midfielders to stop the attacking midfielders and so on.

There is a definite advantage of man-on-man marking over zonal when it comes to intercepting long passes, through balls and specially blocking long shot attempts. The downside is that since only one player is marking, if the opponent manages to dribble or nutmeg past his marker, he'll be in the clear unless the defender is much faster and catches up.

Notes: If the opposing strikers are better than your defenders, don't ever use man-on-man marking. it also works the other way around, if your defenders are better you should probably use it.

One of the best ways to lower your opponent's possesion is to use man-on-man marking, as his players will be forced to try to dribble, nutmeg, shoot, cross or pass earlier instead of holding the ball around the zone.

-Zonal marking

A much more modern approach to marking. Players are entrusted with an specific part of the field (zone) and then marks any attacker that enters his zone. This also means than more than 1 player will mark an attacker that enter their zone. In Top Eleven, this zone is defined as 1 "square" away from the player in every direction.

Zonal marking is like "minesweeper", in the picture below you can see a 4-4-2 formation (left) and how many players are guarding a square zone (right).

http://i47.tinypic.com/2u3wmlu.jpg

Zonal marking allows a greater number of formations; not having to limit your defense to fit your opponent's exact attack. The downside of zonal marking is that it leaves open spaces that can be exploited by long shots and that it allows your opponent to take his time when in possession of the ball, which isn't a good idea if you are behind in the score.


4.7 Free kick, corner kick and penalty takers.

Free kicks come in 2 kinds: Shots on goal and crosses. For those reasons, your free kick takers should have high shooting and crossing skills.

Corner kicks: They are crosses from either side of the opponent's goal. Your corner kick takers should be right footed for right corner kicks and left footed for left corner kicks and in both cases have high crossing skill. Using the correct footed player is very important, as a plain right footed player will be better crossing a right corner kick than a left footed corner specialist (unless he also has a much higher crossing skill).

Penalties: Hard to stop even for the best goalkeepers. Your designated penalty kick taker should have high shooting skill.

4.8 Force counter and offside trap.

-Force counter: With this tactic you allow the opposing players to come forth into your half of the pitch before you attempt to deposes them and send a long pass or through ball in a fast counter-attack that catches the defenders off-guard. If successful, the defenders will be too far up to catch the counter attacker, if unsuccessful, you let the opponent run uncontested into your half.

Since you are letting the opponent run free until they are in an attacking position, using force counter leads to an obvious and voluntary loss of possession.

Force counter can only work while pressing your own half. Defensive mentality is highly recommended as you don't want to let the opponent into your half and have all your players on his own at the same time.

-Offside trap: This style of play means that your defenders will try to stay ahead of the opponent's attackers so they can't receive passes of any kind. If successful, the opponent won't be able to get close enough to the goal, if unsuccessful, the attacker will be able to out-run the defender. For that reason, offside trap requires very fast defenders.

Offside trap can only work while pressing the whole pitch, as you need your defenders to try and stay as far up as they can. This also means that offside trap is much better suited for attacking mentality.

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:39
5. Formations.

5.1 Choosing the right formation & advanced formations.

Undoubtedly the most important part of winning a match, a carefully chosen and deployed formation is what separates the wheat from the chaff. While people spending tokens will have a much easier time winning, people who understand how formations work have a very good chance of competing.

Recently I was asked if I had (bought or found) a guide with all the formations and tactics. The answer was a categorical NO. As some experienced managers (myself included) have pointed out, there aren't magical formations that allow you to win every time. In fact, it's actually the opposite, the most important skill in Top 11 is the ability to adapt to different situations. Relying on ANY given formation only leads to disaster. So instead of trying to post a guide saying what formation to use VS another, I'll post tips that aim to teach how to choose your formation for each game. As the saying goes, "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime".

While much better than the average player, I'm far from unbeatable, and with a little practice anyone can become better than me. It's all a matter of learning to use what I call "Counter and deploy". This concept, in it's purest form, means that you counter the opponent's attack and then deploy an attack that exploits his weak spots.

To understand what counter & deploy means, first we need to divide formations into 2 categories:

- Generalistic

- Specific attack

Generalistic formations: The Jacks of all trades but masters of none. They allow you to use them more often against a varied number of formations. The downside is that while they don't have major weaknesses, they don't target specific parts of the opponent's defense. When used in conjunction with zonal marking they become auto-pilot formations, ideal for those times when you won't be able to play for a few days or when you sincerely don't have the slightest idea how to beat an opponent.

4-4-2 , 4-4-1-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-1-3-2 wide, 4-1-3-2 narrow, 4-2-3-1, 5-3-2 motivated flat, 5-4-1 flat and 3-2-3-2 are some examples (but there are plenty more, specially if using total football philosophy).

..........4-4-2.................................. 4-4-1-1.............................. 4-1-4-1.............................4-1-3-2 wide...........

http://i49.tinypic.com/2en6gpf.jpg

............ 4-2-3-1............................ 5-3-2................................5-4-1 flat..............................3-2-3-2..............

http://i47.tinypic.com/24uzrj4.jpg

As you may notice, they are somewhat tilted towards defense, they are solid both in their flanks and in the middle, and any combination of attackers will have a relatively hard time scoring unless your opponent focuses on an all-attack formation, in which case he'll leave his formation open to a small but somewhat effective attack from your team.

On the other hand, you won't target an specific weakness and this kind of formation's attack is sub-par. You are also a little exposed to specific attacks. It's important to mention that in the long run, a well-managed team with specific attack formations will beat generalistic formations most of the time.

So, how do I set a Generalistic formation?

While it's possible to use man-on-man marking with Generalistic formations (GF), most of the time you'll be using zonal marking. The reason is simple: in order for a GF to work, your players need to be deployed in such a way that there are the least ammount of "uncovered" squares in your half of the pitch. Zonal marking allows your players to move 1 space around them to block an opposing player (A more detailed explanation about marking is explained in above in 4.6).

Use no less than 7 players between midfield and your half. Your midfield should be strong, (with and a special emphasis on flank defense) as you want to have as much possesion as possible . Most of the time this means deploying a ML and MR, but an exception can be made if you are using DML/DMR such as in 3-2-3-2. Short passing is highly recommended, also to increase possesion.

Your passing focus will generally be mixed, so attacking winger (AML/AMR) use is discouraged.

Pressing the whole pitch is the antithesis of general formations, as I said previously, this are cautious formations that grind and wear out your opponent and shouldn't be used for offensive tactics or mentality. I don't recommend using force counter, as this will lead to a loss of ball possesion, which I can't strain to say how vital this is for a GF to work.

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Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:40
Specific attack formations.

Somewhat easier to understand than General attack formations, this kind thrives in a focused defense and attack. Instead of using 7-9 players to fend-off any posible attack, it uses the least ammount of defenders and marked midfielders and uses the remaining players in the attack.

This is where "counter & deploy" comes into play.

Let's start off by saying that in order to consider an opposing player "covered" he needs to be marked by at least 2 players. Sometimes this isn't possible, but your goal is to have the number opposing players that aren't double+ marked to a minimum.

Here's an example using zonal marking.

http://i50.tinypic.com/ifpmrd.jpg

-Let's say you want to counter 4-5-1 V (Left image). The first thing to consider is the number of strikers (RED). Since he's only using 1, you can use the minimum of 3 defenders (RED on the right image).

-Next come attack midfielders. He's using AML and AMR (ORANGE) so you know his attack will come from the flanks so you need to place a DL and DR to block them. The DL and DR will also provide coverage to the lone ST if needed.

- So far you've double marked the ST and single marked the AML/AMR, you need to double mark them. Since you are using zonal marking, you can place 2 DMC's (ORANGE on the right image) that will move left or right if needed.

- The MC's follow (Yellow). You already have 2 DMC's providing single cover, so you need to use 2 MC's of your own to double mark. And you are done! all the attackers and midfielders are double marked.

- Now comes the fun part, deploy your own attack: You only have 3 players left for attack and since 4-5-1 V doesn't have wing blockers or mid wingers the best thing to do is deploying attacking wingers (CYAN on the right image). This also means that you should use flank passing.

- Last, deploy your lone ST. If you notice, he's only marked by 2 of the 4 defenders, because your opponent's defense will split by double marking your AML/AMR -or- your ST, but not both.


Now an example using man-to-man marking.

http://i50.tinypic.com/ifpmrd.jpg

The opponent is using "floating pyramid" formation and your defenders are fast and good markers so you decide to use man-on-man marking.

The process is very similar to that of zonal marking, but actually easier to deploy. All you have to do is "mirror" your opponent's attackers and midfielders and then deploy your opwn attackers in a way they are the least covered possible.

- So you are against a ST (RED), use 3 defenders (RED). 2 AMC's(ORANGE), use 2 DMC's (ORANGE), 2 wingers and a MC (YELLOW) use 2 wingers and a MC (YELLOW). Spread your defenders into DL,DC,DR so they can provide extra coverage against the opposing wingers.

- You only have 2 players left so let's exploit the fact that the opponent isn't using a DMC (CYAN) and use an AMC (CYAN). This means that your attack should come from the middle, or possibly mixed if you motivate your wingers.

- Lastly, deploy your ST, which will only be marked by 2 of the 4 defenders.



5.1.1 Illegal formations.

While there are many possible formations in Top 11, not all of them are valid. This is what it's commonly refered as "illegal formations". The exact rules and consequences aren't publicly known, but it's generally accepted that if your formation is illegal, you'll be penalised with a heavy loss of ball possession. And while it's possible to win with one of said formations, it's not a common occurance.

In order for a formation to be legal it must have:

-At least 3 defenders.
-At least 1 striker.
-At least a player in each flank.
-A goalkeeper.

Here's 3 examples of common illegal formations:

http://i45.tinypic.com/wuezc0.jpg

No strikers..........................No wingers.....................Only 2 defenders.

I'm not so sure about the part about righties for right FKs and corners, and lefties for the other side. Robin van Persie is taking right corners for United, and Rooney on the left, they are inswinging corners which worked quite well against QPR.

If a freekick is slightly towards the left side of the field, it is a very good angle for a right footed player to take a shot, and a good cross can be made from that angle with either foot, again the only difference whether the cross is inswinging or outswinging.

Also, the guide would mean that a double-footed player with high crossing/shooting skill would be very desirable, right?

Usually I don't care about the preferred foot of the player, but I'd rather not buy a right sided player with left foot preference, for example, DR/DMR with left foot preference.

Also, penalty takers, do you look at shooting or finishing? I've been going with finishing, that's how players are automatically arranged on FIFA as well :D

All true in the real world, not sure realism applies to T11. :D

I never buy wide players who use their inside leg to kick, and try to buy central players with both.

With realism, you'd see Ronaldo, Neymar, Hulk cutting in front the left wing to take a shot at goal. :D

I'll continue going purely by their stats; crossing, shooting, etc. :)

one question:
who's the best league on this game (level league)?

Admins! Make it sticky!

Thanks for the information, this has been really helpful as a newcomer. Am I mistaken or are Sections 5.2 & 6 missing? I was just curious about Facilities management.

Cheers!

All well in the real world, but is this game really that adaptable.
I've not heard a game comment yet where a winger cuts inside and skins the defence to score, it's usually a shot from 25-30mtrs.
Maybe we are both looking at the wrong stats. :D

Needs to be at the top so all the new comers sees it. bump! :D

If it helped you it will help others.
Don't forget to vote in the poll.

I have from time to time tried to follow the suggestions in regard to man to man and structuring an attack but it always backfires. Recently I set up a man to man in a league game vs a team i had beat by 3 goals the first time around. I ended up with a 4-0-4-1-1 and had 20% possession and a goal down at half. I changed to zone and from normal to attacking and barely leveled up at the 90th minute. Ended up with 35% possession much lower than the 60% I usually have. I very much would like to use specific formations etc but it seems to not work. Do teams react poorly to formation changes? The formation had very much fit the suggestions of Justdomes. Other times I have tried similar efforts I have had problems. Even directing passes to an obvious weakness seems to backfire. Man to man never seems to work even though the individual matchups are very favorable. Frustrating because it would be more fun if specific tactics and formations seemed to produce good results but I have seen little evidence to show they do. On the contrary they seem to hurt.

I've never used MOM personally I don't think the game engine is right for it, it's to random in events, others may differ but I don't trust it.
Out of all the the info justdome posted IMO the best you can adopt is counter and deploy with zonal.
Select orders that best suite your strength and the opponents weakness. Eg, attack heavy defensive set ups with OS trap and defend strong attacking formations with counter.
Don't be afraid to step outside the box with formations, I do it a lot with my formations, seems to confuse the engine. ;) Today I played against a four man MF with only two DMC's directly opposing them, still had 72% possession.
I rarely play the same formation two games on the run, so sticking to one formation has no advantage IMO.
I have not played a game yet with less than 58% possession, I'm in my third season and only lost 3-4 games.
There are many good tips in his guide, there are also a few that are questionable, finding the right balance is the key.

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I've never used MOM personally I don't think the game engine is right for it, it's to random in events, others may differ but I don't trust it.
Out of all the the info justdome posted IMO the best you can adopt is counter and deploy with zonal.
Select orders that best suite your strength and the opponents weakness. Eg, attack heavy defensive set ups with OS trap and defend strong attacking formations with counter.
Don't be afraid to step outside the box with formations, I do it a lot with my formations, seems to confuse the engine. ;) Today I played against a four man MF with only two DMC's directly opposing them, still had 72% possession.
I rarely play the same formation two games on the run, so sticking to one formation has no advantage IMO.
I have not played a game yet with less than 58% possession, I'm in my third season and only lost 3-4 games.
There are many good tips in his guide, there are also a few that are questionable, finding the right balance is the key.

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-Would like to ask Accyrover that Section 4.8 is it reliable?
-the setting is it set accordingly Offside Trap with whole pitch and Counter Attack with own half?

-for the section 5.1 for legal and illegal formation setting.
-the system is it detect accordingly atleast 1 ST, 1 GK, 3 def and 1 Winger for each flank?

-if set red arrow means? blue arrow means? no arrow means?
-can you list some examples?
-ML(red) consider play like AML? DC (red) consider play like DMC? MR(blue) consider like DMR,
Please correct me if im misunderstand.

-I still confuse about the formation... if i change the formation during the live match..
-system will confuse as illegal formation?
-tactics changing while live match is it can be activate?

Currently i had the doubt which stated above please try to help me answer if anybody able to answer...
Millions Thanks in advance...

Well, regarding the so called 'illegal formations'. I've been using a 4-3-3-A formation with no wing players and it works brilliantly. Two midfielders are AMR and AML, three are MC; three defenders, DL, DR and one DC and of course two strikers up front; hard attacking mentality and zonal defending, with of course no counter attacks. I'm having dominant ball possession with over 65 each match, 65 being the minimum when I face heavily defensive formations; the rival teams for these first five league matches didnt manage to net in even one goal against me. I don't know wether this also depends on the manager level because I'm still at level one.

I do have two pretty good, 4 star quality wingers, one for the right and one for the left, but I rather concentrate myself with a playermaker and dribbler specialist in the MC line and I've got another SS in the AMC line. Zonal defending makes up for the lack of wingers.

You say 4-3-3, but you describe a 3-3-2-2. Anyway, it's not illegal as you have DL and DR, and maybe AML and AMR, I'm not clear on what formation you're playing.

Yeah, my mistake. Its 2 AMC and 3 MC, DL, DR and a DC, plus two strikers.

Any player that plays on the flank is classed as such, DL/DR, DML/DMR, ML/MR, AML/AMR.
They do not need to be on the same side of the pitch as I understand it, so you could have a DL and AMR and that is fine, with all other players central.

teşekkürler, çok öğretici.

I don't think this guide is up-to-date anymore, the game has changed a lot since he wrote it, and some things can only be explained by the game developers, we don't need a lot of things about the game engine, to be honest. :)

hi all bros.!

What's Skill point assigning for Goalkeeper?

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SS-Shadow striker. This players have improved shots from the attacking midfield area. This is desirable for AML,AMR and AMC.

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I've got a bunch of rest packs to spare and would like to get some powertraining done before the end of the season. My 18yo AML/ML often shoots from 30 meters during games, and every once in a blue moon from 20 meters too. Are these the shots that SS improves? Both the 20 and 30 meter distance shots?

hallo im a level 2 player

i have a question i not see mentioned in the guide.
what do the arrows do exactly

the blue and red ones i mean.
does up mean they move forward when attacking or when they have the ball.
and do the downarows mean, they stay in their position or do they move back when in posession or loss of the ball?

thank you, in advance

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Originally Posted by Spervuur

hallo im a level 2 player

i have a question i not see mentioned in the guide.
what do the arrows do exactly

the blue and red ones i mean.
does up mean they move forward when attacking or when they have the ball.
and do the downarows mean, they stay in their position or do they move back when in posession or loss of the ball?

thank you, in advance

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Definitely red means more attacking in some way, and blue means more defensive in some way.

There are many different interpretations of it, but for me, I take it to mean the player will move forward in attack/move back in defence. I never put red arrows on my forwards, nor blue arrows on my defenders and GK as they have nowhere to move in that direction.

Some players take it to mean they will dribble more/dribble less, I don't agree with that.

Hi guys,

After i read those guides I stil have a little question:

-If a play a MC on the AMC spot ... what is the penalty for this one cos regarding his form (7,8) it seems to be ok ?

red is push up blue is stay back

Oops wrong thread!

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Re: JUST DO ME'S GUIDE TO THE MANAGER

Postby justdome » 08 Oct 2011 14:30
2.3 Purchasing

Buying players requires a lot of thought, skill and luck, or a bunch of tokens. Sometimes a combination of both. The higher your level, the steeper the curve. The first few seasons you can buy 4 star players with very few tokens, but as you advance, you’ll find that an 18 year old 4 star player with a specialty can easily be sold for up to 3 times it’s value after 50+ rounds.



u mean that if i have a 21 years player with 4star ability,if i keep him for 2 seasons in my squad i will sell him lets say for example 30-40% more of his value?

Also what the use to buy 4star players in any league u play,when u know that this player next season is gonna be uselless for your squad?That can be a smart move if ur are planning to stay in the same league for 2 seasons.

I have read many posts about the game,what i havent undesrtand is how one account from the same ip founds always 5 star players and another once a week.I have read somewhere that is the server u belong to.Can u explain me pliz.
My girfriends team is 40% better than mines and we started the game with 2 days difference.She has team for level 3 even better,mine is excellent for level 2 ,and i hope that it would be ok for level 3 with some players to add.
She will get easily championship in level 3 without doing anything and saving her tokens for level 4...

Just because accounts are on the same IP does not mean they are on the same server.
The rest of your questions are under current discussions in various topics already, seek and you will find. :)

Thank you for this very useful guide.

'The value of a player depends a players skill, age and training speed, not the other way around.'

Has anyone made some sort of investigation about the connection between the price of a player at a certain age and the training speed? I find it hard to figure out how fast a 21 year old with a value of e.g. $1.5m will develop compared to a 21 old with a value of $1.1. Do the position also play a part or is it possible to set some general rules e.g. for all 21 old players?

Hello, can u please help me out, i cant seem 2 find the post a message part, i log on and then go2 new posts and cant see anywhere that says post a message so cud u help me out on that please, also, its my 3rd season, i´m level 3 amature, 3rd in my league, below 2 very expensive scout bought teams, which i think is totally defeatin the object of the game, i hav a ground wiv 2,500 seats, but the last few home games the amount has been droppin, my last game there was 1,640 there, and a little more the game b4, i charge 6$, so dont think that is over chargin, any ideas please, many thanks.

Very detail analysis :D

Thank you, this so much help me, even I read this article a bit late :p

Hey if u have some time, could you please comment on my current formation?
I just started to play T11 and read your guide.
I wanted to create a solid formation/tactic straight from the beginning - a formation that i can keep for a long period of time and that can cope with most of my opponents.
I invested some money in tokens and players and followed your guide so far.

My current formation:
ST
AML-AMR
MC-MC
DMC
DL-DC-DC-DR
GK

Mentality: attacking
Passing: mixed
Pressing: whole pitch

My question is: what should/can i change and is my formation exposed to a special formation?

i started to play last week, and i cannt answer that question, but i think that pressing whole pitch burns a lot of energy.

This is great ! I've learn a bunch, is there a number 2 to this as well ?

"If you plan on playing more than 1 competition, and specially if you plan on playing all 3 competitions (League, Champions and Cup). You’ll need a complete roster with 22 players that play as 2 separate but very similar teams of 11."

not true, I disagree...