Team bonuses training. Contest!

What is the best way to train team bonuses?

Here are my thoughts. Team bonuses training is a necessary evil. Every day we have to train players with non-optimal drills just to keep the bonuses on 10%. How to reduce the negative impact of those non-optimal drills on the team?

1) We need to do it only with bench and/or reserve players, not with the main squad. The main squad is too precious to waste their condition on these trainings.

2) We need to reduce the amount of involved players to the minimum of 8 men. We need to train a group of players that meets the requirements for every bonus: 4 attackers, 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 8 players in total; all at the same time. AFAIK, the amount of people doesn't matter as long as those requirements are met: training 16 guys will give the same bonus progress as 8. Also, for those who doesn't know: M*, AM* and ST are attackers; DMC, D* and GK are defenders; DMC, M* and AM* are midfielders.

3) Don't use 2x bonus training. We have limited amount of ad videos per day, and every time we spend them on bonus training, we are not getting one green pack. Unacceptable!

4) We have to train our group with drills that will provide those bonuses for the minimal condition loss. This is the most difficult and interesting part.

The higher the bonuses, the slower our progress. We all are hardcore managers here (haha!), so let's only talk about going from 8% to 10%. After some tests I came to this recipe:

Warm-up, 2x Skill drill, 2x Video analysis, Warm-up. Repeat 4 times.
Warm-up, 3x Skill drill, Video analysis, Warm-up. Repeat 2 times.

Each drill costs 0.75% condition; so it is 0.75 * 6 * (4 + 2) = 27% condition loss for the group of 8 players.
This is the most efficient way to train your team bonuses from 8% to 10% that I've found.

And now the promised contest.
Can you find the better set of drills? In other words, how to train bonuses for less than 8 * 27% = 216% condition in total? Remember, from 8% to 10%, and no 2x bonus training!

But I don't want you to struggle for free. The winner who will find the cheapest way will receive a prize. And not some virtual in-game BS, but a real life BS xD A real thing that you will be able to hold in your hands.
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Let's solve this together!

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Edit: Carvanho to 39% (math error above)

This is what I do daily. It's 7.5% x 4 = 30% condition loss.

Players marked is in the reddish maroon color are currently in SA training.

Players marked with letters in teal color are being trained for increasing quality to be eligible for negotiation list. Both players can be trained in a duel/triple role as well if I wish.

Players marked are in blue, are old players being kept on the team for sentimental value.

Engels isn't marked, but he is likely to be trained up towards 6* either this season or next as my starting DR ages.

If looking for the most efficient way train, it's to use the daily bonuses to train special abilities, duel roles and players to being negotiation list eligible to sell after season reset for tokens through negotiations. For example, buy an 18 year old 50% player from the transfer market for 1 token. Train him to 58% or 59% (be careful the daily skill point doesn't take him to 60%), then start training special ability, followed by duel/triple role, then sell for a token profit in new season.

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

If looking for the most efficient way train, it's to use the daily bonuses to train special abilities, duel roles and players to being negotiation list eligible to sell after season reset for tokens through negotiations. For example, buy an 18 year old 50% player from the transfer market for 1 token. Train him to 58% or 59% (be careful the daily skill point doesn't take him to 60%), then start training special ability, followed by duel/triple role, then sell for a token profit in new season.

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That's what I do too. Now I have 6 (!) players in Negotiations (1% to the next star), some of them have SA, all of them are young, and I train players for Negotiations faster than other managers buy them =]
The point of the contest is to find the cheapest way to train bonuses, 27% is my current minimum.

Warm up / stretching / Piggy / use head / skill drill / pass go shoot * 5 times. ( That's what I use and sometimes in 5th drill I replace the piggy with video analysis)

but to answer your question :
Warm up / stretching / Piggy / use head / skill drill / pass go shoot * 4 times

+ watching video / use head OR skill drill / warm up in the fifth time

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Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel

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Edit: Carvanho to 39% (math error above)

This is what I do daily. It's 7.5% x 4 = 30% condition loss.

Players marked is in the reddish maroon color are currently in SA training.

Players marked with letters in teal color are being trained for increasing quality to be eligible for negotiation list. Both players can be trained in a duel/triple role as well if I wish.

Players marked are in blue, are old players being kept on the team for sentimental value.

Engels isn't marked, but he is likely to be trained up towards 6* either this season or next as my starting DR ages.

If looking for the most efficient way train, it's to use the daily bonuses to train special abilities, duel roles and players to being negotiation list eligible to sell after season reset for tokens through negotiations. For example, buy an 18 year old 50% player from the transfer market for 1 token. Train him to 58% or 59% (be careful the daily skill point doesn't take him to 60%), then start training special ability, followed by duel/triple role, then sell for a token profit in new season.

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The drill shown in pic times 4 times only gives u 10 % 10 % 8 % 8 % not full 40 %

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

Warm up / stretching / Piggy / use head / skill drill / pass go shoot * 5 times. ( That's what I use and sometimes in 5th drill I replace the piggy with video analysis)

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I use the same combination ...but only need 4 sessions.
Try doing Pass go shoot before skill drill.

Have tried a few combinations, but this is what gives me the best results.

Great to see more contests inside the forum :P

I just will say that "doing rotations" and using 4,5% condition in each training round...

1 of the bonus is ready -at 10%- with 4 trainings, another with 5, then 7, and 8 rounds for the last bonus (attack in my case- .

So should be, 18% condition, 22,5, 31,5 and 36% for the last bonus that needs 4 players as the last 3 (¿?not sure now lol) but, I usually do rotations. So if you divide the trainings in groups, depending of the players you have... the average of condition use can be very low really, under 20%...

Despite all I understand that the idea is find the formula using the same 8, so I will stay for these lands reading ideas. :o

here is my training from 8% to 10% bonus
use 8 players (4 of them are both attacker and defender)

1. train all 8 players above
warm up, warm up, stretch, stretch, skill drill, video analysis
warm up, warm up, stretch, pass go and shoot, skill drill, video analysis
warm up, warm up, stretch, pass go and shoot, skill drill, video analysis

now I have 10% condition bonus, I remove 4 players from training (not the 4 are both att and def)

2. training 4 players are both attacker and defender
skill drill, skill drill, skill drill, pass go and shoot, piggy in the middle, video analysis
skill drill, pass go and shoot, video analysis

now all bonus are 10%

Summary,
after step 1, 8 players use 18% condition
after step 2, 4 players use 27% condition + 4 players use 18% condition
total used condition of group 8 players is 4 x 27% + 4 x 18% = 180% (little less than OP: 8 x 27% = 216%, if I understand right)

fingers crossed for you that nordeus will not add daily training point to these players otherwise you will lose negotiation position ;)

I am training only attack with reserve. My team was born to attack so only attack bonus on 10 percent. If I am loosing, I am pushing to attack anyway, if I am winning, I want to score even more..... the rest of three are just cosmetic. But to be fair, my team is always superior to the opponent so I really dont need other bonuses. If I would be equal to other teams, I would consider, otherwise nope

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Originally Posted by Mirrowka

I am training only attack with reserve. My team was born to attack so only attack bonus on 10 percent. If I am loosing, I am pushing to attack anyway, if I am winning, I want to score even more..... the rest of three are just cosmetic. But to be fair, my team is always superior to the opponent so I really dont need other bonuses. If I would be equal to other teams, I would consider, otherwise nope

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That’s my philosophy as well. I rarely use the other bonuses, just attack attack attack! [emoji106]

I use pass go and shoot, skill drill, piggy in the middle, use your head, warm up, stretch.

Physical : warm up, stretch
Attack : skill drill, pass go and shoot
Defend : piggy in middle, video analysis.
condition lost: 6.75%

repeat 4 times. 6.75% x 4 = 27%

so i also use 27% to keep training bonus at 10% every day.

looks like there is no lower than this. i will find out tomorrow to use all very easy drills.. lol

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Originally Posted by dave1311

That’s my philosophy as well. I rarely use the other bonuses, just attack attack attack! [emoji106]

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I hope I'll meet more opponents with the same philosophy... Fresh meat! ';..;'

But seriously, thank you all for your answers! I'm gonna check them now. That doesn't mean the contest is over, of course. If you have something to say on the subject, do not hesitate to share your wisdom!

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Originally Posted by khris

Despite all I understand that the idea is find the formula using the same 8, so I will stay for these lands reading ideas. :o

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Well, no, it was my own method. As it turned out, an inefficient one =] The idea is to find the cheapest way to get those bonuses.
You and 112000 made a good point: rotation (or is it better to say "reduction"?) of players is the key to spend less condition. 8 * 27% = 216% total CL.
112000 have reduced this to 4 * 27% + 4 * 18% = 180%, and this is current record. I haven't tested it yet though, I lack necessary players. I'm gonna do that today or tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by khris

Despite all I understand that the idea is find the formula using the same 8, so I will stay for these lands reading ideas. :o

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Well, no, it was my own method. As it turned out, an inefficient one =] And I'm glad it wasn't the best one. But anyway, the target of this thread is to find the cheapest way to get those bonuses.
You and 112000 made a good point: rotation (or is it better to say "reduction the number"?) of players is the key to spend less condition. 8 * 27% = 216% total CL was my best.
112000 has reduced this to 4 * 27% + 4 * 18% = 180%, and this is current record. I've just tested it, it works. Clever!

As most of my matches tend to be earlier in the Nordeus 'day', I need to do 'quick and dirty' training to get my match bonuses up.

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Two of these with 2x video bonus is enough to get Condition and Possession up to 10% from 8% and Defence and Attack to almost 10% from 8%. I then select 8 of the substitutes/reserves and run again without the 2x to get the Defence and Attack up to 10%.

If the first match is very early, I will do only with the substitutes and reserves and leave the chosen match squad alone. Otherwise, I will see how many 6% recovery periods there are until the first match and also include the match squad for that number of times.

Any individual/group training for skills, etc I leave until there is a suitable between match time or when the matches have finished for the day.

Disagree on the amount of videos: in my case, there is absolutely no correlation between the videos I am able to watch for greens or for bonus. When, one runs out, the other still works. My recipe is to use a combination of 0.75 and 1.5% drills with all my squad or only my subs depeding on my day's schedule. This twice with 2 videos for double bonus. Then, I get to 10% with the bench players only without double bonus. I think this offers the better ratio energy wasted/bonus gained but still working on it.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Disagree on the amount of videos: in my case, there is absolutely no correlation between the videos I am able to watch for greens or for bonus. When, one runs out, the other still works.

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Thanks, I'm gonna check this tomorrow. Maybe they changed something in this system.
That would be a disappointment though: an easier way ready for everyone with no possible advantage to hardcore players like myself. Kinda "don't think, play casually".

My method :

1. Training reserve in 8players per session. Group 1 (gk+df) group 2 (midfield) group 3 (which ever have energy left)

2. So i practically achieve all 10% full training points in one go. No need using 2x ads. 3times training or maybe 4 u already completed the 10% quota.

3. Pick the lowest training level. DO NOT train with higher level that will tired players and not effective. Just train with lowest level is suffice. (Circa 6-10% fitness training)

4. First team not involved in training so will always hv sharp players for the next 2 matches.

So far this method is working fine for me. I never train too hard its useless to tiring your players for no reason. Adequate small training is sufficient.

And u can use all those 10% in incoming matches.

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Originally Posted by gizzmo

Disagree on the amount of videos: in my case, there is absolutely no correlation between the videos I am able to watch for greens or for bonus. When, one runs out, the other still works.

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I have checked. If I have available videos to watch, there is active button for 2x bonus training. If I have watched all of them, the button is inactive.
It seems I was right and 2x bonus training uses videos from the same pool as rest pack videos.

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

Well, no, it was my own method. As it turned out, an inefficient one =] And I'm glad it wasn't the best one. But anyway, the target of this thread is to find the cheapest way to get those bonuses.
You and 112000 made a good point: rotation (or is it better to say "reduction the number"?) of players is the key to spend less condition. 8 * 27% = 216% total CL was my best.
112000 has reduced this to 4 * 27% + 4 * 18% = 180%, and this is current record. I've just tested it, it works. Clever!

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Rotation is the term... if you have x2 teams, so 22 players in the squad you can use just 50% and 50% for each group of 11 +/-... so 18% condition for one group and 18% for the other counting that, 1 bonus will be at 10% with just 4 trainings (possession) and the defense bonus with 5... condition bonus with 7 trainings and for attack bonus I need 8...

Well done the training condition is recovered in 9 hours.. so... if one organize well the day is factible... too is true that, if one have 11 suvs/reserves with variety maybe is better concentrate the training in this group... so the starting 11 players can use the condition for other stuffs.. xD
We should do a manual lol

Nice post, Toxcatl. Actually you've mentioned just everything what I do to my team (except the fact that I use all my players who are not in my main 11 just to make them better for future sale). But this post will be very good for new managers that only start playing the TOP11

Ok, I think it is time to announce the winner: it is 112000 with his the most efficient way (so far?) to train team bonuses.

As I promised, the prize is not in-game jersey... It is iRL jersey =] I'm currently in Brazil, so it's going to be the official replica of the jersey of the most expensive player in the world. This one goes to Vietnam:
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Congratulations, 112000!

I thank everyone who shared their methods of training. Good job, guys, let's get better in this game together!
Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

Ok, I think it is time to announce the winner: it is 112000 with his the most efficient way (so far?) to train team bonuses.

As I promised, the prize is not some virtual crap like in-game jersey... It is iRL jersey =] I'm currently in Brazil, so it's going to be the official replica of the jersey of the most expensive player in the world. This one goes to Vietnam:
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Congratulations, 112000!

I thank everyone who shared their methods of training. Good job, guys, let's get better in this game together!
Cheers!

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Yay

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My gratitude sent from Vietnam to Toxcatl

Hi,
I just received the prize.
Thank you again, Toxcatl !

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Do these team bonuses reduce standard at the same time (for example 00:00) or do these bonuses reduce 24 hours after being upgraded to 10%. Sorry for my English. It isn't my primary language.

The first. I think around 5:00 in the morning. I'm not sure about the time. The second isn't 100%

i never lose either i win or i learn

About which timezone are we talking about? I have GMT +1.

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Originally Posted by gfuc FC

Do these team bonuses reduce standard at the same time (for example 00:00) or do these bonuses reduce 24 hours after being upgraded to 10%. Sorry for my English. It isn't my primary language.

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The first. I think around 5:00 in the morning. I'm not sure about the time. The second isn't 100%

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Are reduced when Nordeus day starts, 3:30am CET time.

Thanks for the info

i never lose either i win or i learn

Thank you!

Time to calculate... again :D
Thank you Khris :)

What set of training drills do people use to quickly gain team and individual bonuses on a daily basis?

I use- Warm up, video analysis, skill drill, stretch, piggy in the middle, pass go shoot- for a 6.75% condition loss

Training the whole squad twice, with 2x bonus and then training reserves and subs only (a total of 3 training sessions) gives full individual and team bonuses in all areas.

Is there a better set of drills that can achieve the bonuses quicker than the set I'm using?

Interested to get ideas

I would tweak it a bit:

Warm-up
Stretch
Video analysis - x2
Pass, go and shoot
Skill drill

Use the above twice across the FULL squad with 2x bonus and you will get it all trained for 12% in total (as opposed to your 13.5%).

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Originally Posted by Leedsmariner

What set of training drills do people use to quickly gain team and individual bonuses on a daily basis?

I use- Warm up, video analysis, skill drill, stretch, piggy in the middle, pass go shoot- for a 6.75% condition loss

Training the whole squad twice, with 2x bonus and then training reserves and subs only (a total of 3 training sessions) gives full individual and team bonuses in all areas.

Is there a better set of drills that can achieve the bonuses quicker than the set I'm using?

Interested to get ideas

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I merged your thread with this one as it has some good ideas you can read.
I also use this tactic and if I want to save little condition, I use the Video analysis - x2 as Arthur said.
I train only my main team, about 18 players.
Many of them have double zone positions (ST+AM , DMC+D) so it;s enough to get the 4X10%