the first one you can beat with 4-4-2 classic or 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow diamond




Quote Originally Posted by Arsen Wenger View Post
the first one look like this
---DC-DC-DC---
DML----------DMR
---CM-CM-CM---
----ST----ST----

and the second one looks like this

DL-DC-DC-DR
----MC-MC----
AML-AMC-AMR
------ST-------