Narrow DiamondQuote:
Originally Posted by Georgi Kemilov
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Narrow DiamondQuote:
Originally Posted by Georgi Kemilov
sometimes i have used "counter formation".
but i have a question,something that i still havent understood about that "logic".
why should i try "counter" the opponent`s formation and not the opponent mine?
why should we try to "counter" other player formation and not just put our team players in a formation which we like to play ?
and afteral we all know that NGE is "crazy",why should we bother think about "counter formation" etc etc?.....
How do you combat this formation :
CD -CD - CD
RWB LWB
CM--CM
ST-ST-ST
Please help ??
the whole point of countering a formation is to maximise your winning chance. If you let opponents counter your formation, you are putting yourself at a disadvantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diegito
IRL, lots of teams play with only 1 main formation and do not counter opponents formation, so in game it's entirely up to you.
For example, you are comfortable playing 3-5-2, your opponent is comfortable playing 4-5-1v.
By not switching to a formation with DLDR, you've been countered by your opponent and he didn't even have to do anything, just playing his usual formation and exposing your 2 flanks
Hello all going against a 4-1(dmc)-2-3. Need some advice as this is a top 3 match in my league. I saw that a 4-1-4-1 would work well but is there any suggestions on tactics and arrows? Thanks.
hello sorry for asking here...
but i dont know what orders to give to this formations 3w 1dmc 2mc ml mr 2st, and arrows if you can...thanks :D
Hello. My opponent plays 4-4-2
DC-DC-DC-DR
ML-MC-MC-MR
ST-ST
Any toughts?
I've been using 3N-4-1-2 to great effect so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Florian Bunea
i have seen a friendly match that 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond beats 3w-5-2 v-style
quality 25.1(narrow diamond) against 26.0(3w-5-2 v-style).
finale score 4-0
July, he's missing DL, so i was thinking to exploit that flank somehow.
Quote:
Originally Posted by July Fourth
What is the best counter for this formation?
DC DC DC
DMC
MC MC
AML AMR
ST ST
Anyone?
Thanks
You should add 3N-3W-1-2-1 and 3N-3W-2-2 to the list. The first one is a modified version of Butterfly with a DMC but only with one MC.
try 4-2-2-2 hexagon since he have only 3 defenders. DL-DC-DC-DR MC-MC AML-AMR ST-STQuote:
Originally Posted by tje1978
i have played that formation last season and i had trouble with 4-2-2-2 hexagon
Please tell me how to beat 4 - 4 (MC, MC, MR, ML) - 1 (AMC) - 1
try 4-5-1 v styleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo Rivera Abad
put this formation 2 the list
--ST--ST--ST--
------AMC------
--MC--MC--MC--
-DL---DC---DR-
3w-3-1-3
This is a 3-4-3 modified formation
does 4-3W-3 also counter 4-2(DML/DMR)-3N-2? it is not listed, but i received a 73% possession against the second formation while using the first formation, and my players were not that much better than his (note: i was still really unlucky and lost 1-0)
here are the screen shots of the game. his only goal was from a penalty kick, as one of my guys got a yellow card in the box apparently. but that was at min 68, so idk why i lost. just bad luck i guess
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Im havingtrouble finding a counter for 3w-1-3w-3. Cl 2nd leg (1-1 agg). I played 3n-4-3. Got most possession. I desperately need this win. Any suggestion? Please help
I have 2 very important matches tomorrow within 50 minutes of each. A must win CL tie with Team 1 and a fight off for #1 spot in the league with Team 2. And both are very strong opponents.
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Team 1 - rating 21
My Team - rating 22
Team 2 - rating 23
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Team 1 Formation
4-1-2-12 Narrow Diamond
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Team 2 Formation
3N-2(DML/DMR)-3N-2
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Thanks.
---------------- st -------------------
--------- amc ------------ amc ---------
ml ----------------------------------- mr
--------- dmc ------------ dmc ---------
dl --------------- dc ------------------ dr
------------------ GK --------------------
how to beat this one with orders pls same quality lvl
we are almost eliminated from the cup, we lost at home (0-2). It is a strange defeat, because we have more quality to them and we played with the 352 flat which is the counter of their 5212 X Style
i have the same problem like him only that i have to beat a 3w-1-3w-1-2 and i want to know what orders i should use for 3n-5-2 flat, i need help my match is in 2 days...
how do you counter a IRREGULAR 4-2-2-2 .
DL-DC-DC-DR
DMC-DMC
AML-AMR
ST-ST
Im playin vs 4-2MC-3(AML,AMC,AMR)-1 soon. I've lost first game 2:1 and i played 4-3mc-2amr(l)-1. should i play 2nd game 4-4-2 classic or go 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond??? plz help i dont wanna loose cup. my team is 23.6 and his 22.1
Hello everybody,
I have a tough match against better player with 4-1DMC-2ML/MR-2AMC-1ST formation. It will be second match. First one finished whith 1:2 on my stadium. Please help me about set my tactic (2 team quality same same )
Guys i have an imprtnt match the formation of my opponent is
4 3MC 1AMC 2ST
my actual formation is 4 4 2
last match against same opponent
3
4mc
1amc
2st
i lost wid 4 4 2
socre 4-3
Hi,
everyone seems to be using 4-5-1 V style a lot.
What kind of formation is good against it ? 4-3-3 is not a very good build for me....
I would like to try 3N-DML+DMR-2-1-2, good idea?
Tomorrow CL match with a stronger opponenent ( massive token buyer with like nothing below 6 star fast trainer age 18, nearly 100 Million team value at lvl 3....i was like WAT?)
Hi,
I will have a match with stronger opponent. His quality is 38 when mine is only 31. What counter formation should i use?
His formation is:
DL DC DC DR
DMC
ML MC MR
AMC
ST
Thank you.
Why delete this thread?? can you or anyone have it email this formation and tactics for me, please? my email tran_dung20032003@yahoo.com
Thank you so much !!!
why delete this thread. email to me 2.. ar4style2@gmail.com
Top Eleven How To Win Against Any Formation Guide
4-4-2
4-4-2 is not a very strong formation on the game; it rules the midfield and defense but offers very little going forward.
To win against this classic formation and beat it you need to keep the midfield whilst being strong in attack, what I’d recommend is a 4-5-1 V formation with attacking arrows on the DMC to effectively turn him to a MC when you are attacking.
————-ST—————
AML———————AMR
———MC——-MC———
————-DMC (UP)———
DL—- —-DC–DC———DR
If you are losing add arrows to both sets of wingers to give you an extra edge.
Orders:
Mentality: Depends how many you want to win by, go for an attacking against weaker teams and vice verse for stronger.
Passing: Mixed
Pressing: Own half without offside trap, full pitch with fast defenders and offside trap.
The others do not really matter, just make sure your opponent has no AM when you do the offside or counter attack.
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4-3-3
This formation has a fatal flaw in the form of not having any wingers. To beat it, exploit this major weakness by focusing your attack on the flanks while defending your middle. Here’s a few examples of formations that do exactly that:
3-1-3-2-1
———-ST———-
AML————–AMR
—-MC–MC–MC—-
———DMC———
—-DC–DC–DC—–
4-1-4-1
—————-ST————–
———————————
ML (UP)–MC—-MC—-MR (UP)
————–DMC (UP)——-
DL (UP)–DC–DC——DR (UP)
3-3-2-2
——–ST—-ST—–
AML————–AMR
—-MC–MC–MC—-
———————–
—-DC–DC–DC—-
The exact formation is up to you, but keep this in mind:
a) Always attack the flanks with either ML/MR with red arrows or AML/AMR
b)Use at least 2 DC’s
c)Use at least 2 MC’s
d)The combined number of your Defenders+DMC’s+MC’s must be 6 or higher.
e) MC’s+ML/MR must be 4 or higher.
Tactics against 4-3-3.
4-3-3 is an attacking formation, so you can either play offside trap with very fast defenders while pressing the whole pitch, or a more defensive counter-attacking way while pressing your own half.
Most formations able to easily beat 4-3-3 will be heavy in the midfield, as such, use short passing if playing offensively and mixed passing when trying to counter attack.
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3-4-3
This midfield based attacking formation can prove devastating if left unchecked. Luckily you can use the formation’s momentum against it with counter attacks down the flanks or exploit the lack of DMC’s or DML/DMR’s to counter any AMC’s or AML/AMR’s of your own.
At any rate, when playing against 3-4-3 you should have more midfielders than the opponent, this can be achieved in many ways, some of which are explained below.
Defending and counter-attacking examples:
This work well with defensive or normal mentality, pressing your own half with mixed passing and force counter.
3-2-2-2-1 ( 5-2-2-1)
———ST———
AML————AMR
—–MC—–MC—-
DML————DMR
—-DC–DC–DC—-
Motivated 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1)
———ST—-ST———
—————————–
ML(UP)–MC–MC–MR(UP)
—————————-
DL(UP)–DC–DC–DR(UP)
3-5-1-1
———–ST———–
———-AMC———-
ML–MC–MC–MC–MR
————————-
—–DC—DC—DC—–
Attacking formation examples:
This work well with attacking mentality, pressing the whole pitch and short passing.
4-3-2-1 Christamas tree
———-ST———
—–AMC—AMC—-
ML——MC——-MR
———————
DL—-DC–DC—-DR
4-3-2-1
———ST———-
AML————AMR
—-MC–MC–MC—
———————-
DL—-DC–DC—-DR
———–
3-5-2
3-5-2 has a few weaknesses, mainly; it’s lack of punch and weak wing defence. 5 midfielders mean a solid ball control, don’t expect to dominate the match, but since there aren’t any attacking midfielders, you can just as easily block their advance.
While there are many ways to defeat 3-5-2, I’ll explain 2 formations that will allow you to better understand the mechanics of how this can be done.
4-5-1 V-style (motivated)
An awesomely versatile formation that combined with a few arrows can be either attacking or defensive. In this case, you want to force an attack through the wings, so…
————-ST—————
AML———————AMR
———MC——-MC———
————-DMC (UP)———
DL (UP)—-DC–DC—-DR (UP
Motivated DL and DR’s block movement from the opponents ML and MR’s while also feeding passes to your AML and AMR. The 2 MC and motivated DMC block any centre movement.
On the attack your formation will effectively be:
———–ST————
AML—————–AMR
——MC–MC–MC—–
DML—————-DMR
———-DC–DC——–
That gives you 5 midfielders to block the opponent’s 5, and you have 2 attacking midfielders which have open access since he doesn’t have wing backs or fullbacks. On the defense, your formation will return to the basic 4-5-1 and still give you a solid coverage.
Mentality: Usually normal, but I recommend going defensive with hard tackling if the opponent’s team is better, and attacking if the opposite.
Force counter: Yes
Passing: mixed, through both flanks
Pressing: own half
Zonal marking
3-1-4-1-1
The main strong point of 3-5-2 is, obviously, a very hard to beat midfield. Fight fire with fire and use 6 midfielders against it. All while exploiting the lack of a DMC to counter an AMC.
——–ST——–
——-AMC——-
ML–MC–MC–MR
——-DMC——-
—DC–DC–DC—
This midfield heavy weight needs short passing in order to work so force counter doesn’t work very well with it. Instead, with fast DC’s, it can be used playing offside trap if you press the whole pitch. With normal or slow defenders, it’s better to neither play offside trap or force counter and just press your own half.
Mentality: Normal
Passing: Mixed short passes
Pressing: Either whole half with offside trap or own half without it.
Marking: Zonal
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4-5-1
I haven’t faced 4-5-1 flat often, but when I did I used the formation 3-5-2.
3-5-2 against the 4-5-1 flat would be best used with long passing with zonal marking. Attacking tactics should be focused on long balls. This requires a forward with good pace and speed.
4-5-1 is similar to the 4-5-1 V Style… 3-5-2 is also effective against the V style.
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5-3-2
How To Beat 5-3-2…
Hi, i wanted to help my friend ,Sam with this special thread…..Here we go…When you play against 5-3-2 you should use the a very attacking system like 3-1-3-1-2 (wide) and put red arrows on you dmc and red arrows on your 2 strikers ,on the one atm and red arrows on your two winger(left and right)…also good idea will be to switch you team mentality to hard attacking(well..based on you opponent’s players level) also id wan to beat 5-3-1 you should switch your pressing style to ”whole pitch”as you opponent with 5-3-2…will play defensive game football…also you should you switch you passing style to ” mixed passes” because the opponent will have a lot of DC/…so you should try to play with long balls and short passes…oh…and something final..try to hit him from the flanks.
——–ST——ST———
————AMC————-
ML———MC————MR
————DMC—————
——-DC–DC–DC————-
———–
4-5-1 V Style
4-5-1 V-style is one of the most versatile formations. It can easily become defensive or offensive with the change of a few arrows. A great jack of all trades, but it’s lack of defensive wingers can be exploited.
When playing against 4-5-1 V, you need to protect your flanks and attack the opponent’s. Forget about attacking the middle, it’s that simple. Keep in mind that 4-5-1 V-style is most often played with counter-attacking orders, so you don’t want to overdo your attacks. Use normal or defensive mentality and press your own half.
As always, when playing against a midfield formation, you need to have at least as many midfielders as the opponent.
Here’s a few examples:
4-3-2-1
This is 4-5-1 V-style’s brother. It takes advantage of not using a DMC who won’t be blocking an nonexistent AMC and vice verse. This translates into a more powerful midfield to feed passes to the forward players.
————–ST————-
AML——————-AMR
——MC—-MC—-MC—-
——————————
DL(UP)–DC–DC—DR(UP)
Motivated 4-5-1 flat.
While an unmotivated 4-5-1 flat would probably succumb to a 4-5-1 V-style, you can take advantage of that and make the opponent underestimate you. He’ll probably realize that his flanks are under constant attack after a few goals.
—————-ST——————
————————————-
ML(UP)–MC–MC–MC–MR(UP)
————————————-
DL(UP)—–DC—DC—–DR(UP)
3-2-2-2-1
While you don’t need more than 1 or 2 DC’s against 4-5-1 V, you don’t want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.
—————-ST—————
AML————————AMR
———–MC—–MC———–
DML————————DMR
—-DC(UP)DC(DOWN)DC(UP)-
3-2-3-2
DC-DC-DC
DML-DMR
MC-MC-MC
ST-ST
The 3-2-3-2 can be beaten by the 4-4-2 Classic. The 4-4-2 is not thought to be an ideal formation to use, however it is one of the most balanced formations in football.
Best used with normal mentality, down both flanks, short passing, zonal marking with normal tackling. No counterattack and no offside trap.
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4-1-3-2 Wide
4-1-3-2 Wide 3
DL-DC-DC-DR
DMC
ML-MC-MR
ST-ST
Countered by 3-2-2-2-1
DC-DC-DC
DML(UP)-DMR(UP) (If using DL/DR as DML/DMR, remove the red arrows)
MC-MC
AML-AMR (Red arrows if AML/AMR also play as strikers and you want some extra punch)
ST
Short passing, through the flanks, attacking mentality, zonal marking,
pressing whole pitch with offside trap.
OR
Own Half, counter attack, defensive, mixed passing
Other formations known to beat 4-1-3-2 Wide 3:
3-1-4-2 and 3-1-4-1-1 using normal mentality, zonal marking, own half, short passing, normal tackling, no counterattack and no offside trap.
————
4-2-2-2
DL–DC-DC–DR
—-MC-MC—-
AML——–AMR
——ST–ST—-
Some people however may change the MC-MC to a DMC-DMC, don’t worry too much about this as it will not effect the formations provided and would enhance your ball possession.
The 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly is no longer effective vs the 4-2-2-2 Hexagon
4-5-1V Motivated
————-ST———–
AML—————-AMR
—–MC——–MC——-
——–DMC(UP)——–
DL(UP)—DC—DC—–DR(UP)
The 4-5-1V Style Motivated is also another option to use against the 4-2-2-2 formation.
———–
3-1-4-1-1
DC-DC-DC
DMC
ML-MC-MC-MR
AMC
ST
Countered by:
4-5-1V Style
Orders: defensive mentality, long passing, through the flanks, pressing own half,
force counterattack, zonal marking.
4-5-1 V Style Motivated
DL(Up)-DC-DC-DR(Up)
DMC
MC-MC
AML(Up)-AMR(Up)
ST
Orders: normal mentality, mixed passing, through the flanks, rest remains same.
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4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond
—-ST—-ST–
——AMC—-
—-MC–MC—
——DMC—–
DL-DC-DC-DR
The Narrow Diamond is a very effective attacking formation, however the vulnerability of this formation is the lack anything to protect the flanks.
A 4-5-1 V Style formation can take advantage of the flanks of the diamond with an AML and AMR as well as defend against the AMC by using a DMC.
4-5-1 V Style:
———ST——–
AML———AMR
—–MC–MC—
——DMC—–
DL-DC-DC-DR
Another variation on countering the narrow diamond would be by using the 4-3-2-1:
4-3-2-1
———ST——-
AML———AMR
—MC-MC-MC—
–DL-DC-DC-DR–
Although there is no DMC with the 4-3-2-1 it is still a very effective attacking formation to counter the Diamond with, mainly because of the strong middle as well as having attacking flanks.
If during the match you feel the AMC is taking advantage, then a simple (DOWN) arrow would be placed on the middle MC which in turn effectively would be turning this formation into a 4-5-1 V Style.
——————
4-3-2-1
——–ST———
AML———AMR
—MC-MC-MC—-
–DL-DC-DC-DR–
An excellent attacking formation and strong in wing attack..
Can be countered by:
3-2-3-2:
——-ST—ST—–
—-MC-MC-MC—
DML———DMR
—-DC-DC-DC—-
A logical choice formation to use against the 4-3-2-1.. 3 DC to block 1 lone striker, a DML and DMR to block attacks from the flanks coming from the AML and AMR, 3 midfield to keep control and 2 strikers to go for goal.
3-2-2-2-1:
ST
AML-AMR
MC-MC
DML-DMR
DC-DC-DC
Fight fire with fire, 3 DC again to block a lone striker.. DML and DMR to block the AML’s and AMR’s which can feed passes up your own AMLs and AMRs to take advantage of the lack of wing defence and one lone striker to go between the 2DC.
why delete this thread? can you send it to my e-mail address, please? 4sloka2@gmail.com. Thanks!
It was my bible. Why do you remove that post ? I really need this ...:(
oooo that bad news! for me it was a great help and is now deleted.
They can put it back or send to my email: pcfly_3@hotmail.com
It would be of great help, very grateful.
Thanks
Here is an older update:Quote:
Originally Posted by poipoi
Table of Counter Formations - What to use?
Table of what formations can work to beat your opponents
To save lots of diagrams I have used Common Terminology to help describe the formations shown.
This is a list of common formations to some lesser known formations. This list does not include formations that are illegal or asymmetical formations.
Please Note: This does not 100% guarantee that you will win the match.
Please Note: This does not take in account relative strength, This is based on both teams being equal.
It is not possible to cover every formation in the game, there are 1,144,066 possible combinations for a formation in Top Eleven, Whether they are legal or not.
3N is 3 central players, 3W is left,right sided player with a central player
There we go:
Opponents Formation Recommended Formation To Counter
5-4-1 4-4-2 Classic, 3-5-2 Flat
5-3N-2 3N-4-1-2, 4-4-2 Classic
5-3W-2 3N-4-1-2, 4-4-2 Classic
5-1-3N-1
5-1-3W-1
5-2MC-(2AML/AMR)-1
5-2ML/MR-2AMC-1 4-2-2-2 Hexagon
5-2MC-2AMC-1
5-2-1-2 X-Style 3-5-2 Flat
4-5-1 Flat 3-5-2 Flat, 3-5-2 V-Style
4-5-1 V-Style 4-3N-3
4-4-2 Classic 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond, 4-5-1 V-Style, 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly
4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond 4-3N-2(AML/AMR)-1
4-1-2-1-2 Wide Diamond 3-5-2 Flat
4-1-2MC-2AMC-1
4-2DMC-1-2AMC-1
4-2DMC-1-2(AML/AMR)-1 5-2MC-2(AML/AMR)-1
4-3W-3 4-4-2 Classic, 4-5-1 V-Style
4-3N-3 4-1-4-1
4-1-3N-2 4-3N-2(AML/AMR)-1
4-1-3W-2 3N-1-4-2
4-2DMC-3W-1 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly
4-2MC-3N(AM)-1
4-2MC-3W(AM)-1 4-4-2 Classic
4-3N-1-2 4-3N-2(AML/AMR)-1, 4-5-1 V-Style
4-3W-1-2 3N-1-4-2
4-3W-2AMC-1 Xmas Tree
4-3N-2(AML/AMR)-1 3N-2(DML/DMR)-3N-2, 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly
4-2-2-2 Hexagon 3N-1-4-2, 4-4-2 Classic, 4-5-1 V-Style, 3-4-3
4-1-2-3 4-1-4-1
4-2-1-3 4-5-1 V-Style, 4-3N-2W-1
4-1-4-1 3W-4-3
4-4-1-1 3-5-2 Flat, 4-5-1 V-Style
3N-5-2 Flat 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly
3W-5-2 Flat 4-5-1 V-Style
3N-5-1-1
3W-5-1-1
3W-4-3
3N-4-3 4-3N-2(AML/AMR)-1, 4-4-2 Classic, 3-5-2, 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly.
3W-1-4-2 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond
3N-1-4-2 4-5-1 V-Style
3N-5-2 V-Style
3W-5-2 V-Style 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly
3W-2-3W-2
3W-1-3W-1-2 3W-2DMC-3N-1-1 Effiel Tower, 3N-5-2 Flat
3N-1-3W-1-2
3W-1-3N-1-2 4-5-1 V-Style
3N-4-1-2
3W-4-1-2
3N-2DML/DMR-3N-2 4-4-2 Classic
3-1-2-1-3 Narrow Diamond
3-1-2-1-3 Wide Diamond
3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly 4-2-2-2 Hexagon
3N-2(DML/DMR)-2MC-1-2 3W-1-3W-2AMC-1
3W-2DMC-2W-1-2 3W-5-2 V-Style
3W-2N-2N-2W-1 (The WM)
3N-1-4-1-1 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond
3W-1-4-1-1 4-5-1 V-Style
3W-2DMC-4-1
3W-2DMC-3N-1-1 Effiel Tower
3W-3DMC-3W-1
3W-3W-2N-1-1
3N-3W-2N-1-1
thank you very much Cebón, for me is a great help.
THANKS
Why you deleted it ?
I've reinstated the thread since someone made a copy, no point leaving it deleted.
Hi, guys.
I don't really care much about others guys. I prefer that they worry about me.
Since I've started playing the game (first and second season to test), I'm with 4 - 5 - 1 ... always !
The only thing I change is arrows, or kind of pressure, etc ... and some of this only during the game.
And ... I'm on level 22 with 19 titles.
just lost a match vs the 4-5-1 V formation ...he switched to 4-1-3W-1-1
i thought it was a good idea to play 3N-2 (DL DR)-2-1-2 but didnt really work, exchanged my acm for a dcm and played long passing..
in the end played 3-5-2 V and scored ateast one goal... against his change to 4-4-2
anyone got like an asymmetric formation that works well vs stronger opponents that play 4-5-1??
since i think i can't beat him the normal way... his Quality is "only" 4 higher than mine