How to Win Against Any Formation?

Hi,

How do I counter 4-1-3-2 narrow?

DL-DC-DC-DL
DM (6*)
MC (6*)-MC-MC
ST-ST

Opponent average team rating: 23.2
My team average team rating: 22.9

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by ThePsycho

Here's an odd formation that I can't figure out:

DL---DC---DR
--DMC--DMC--
---MC---MC---
AML-------AMR
-------ST-------

Note I do not have a DML.

EDIT: I guess it's called the Butterfly formation. How do I beat this? I could not find the answer either on this forum or on the old forum.

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I do have the match coming up in two hours, does anyone have the answer to counter the butterfly?

Firstly it is not the butterfly.
Most players on here only know how to counter generic formations.
This takes a bit of thought and thinking outside the box.
It's strong in the centre and the flanks are only exposed either side of the DMC's.
Without knowing your squad and the strength of his it's difficult to give you help.

Hi! Can my formation 3-2-2-1-2 (DC-DMR DML-MC-AMC-ST) be effective against 4-1-3-1-1 (DL DR - DMC-MC-AMC-ST)
With whole pitch attacking mentality, mixed passing, short passing style, zonal marking, offside trap. And attacking arrows on st and amc.

We both have the same quality, but 3-4 of his players are out of position. Using the 4-5-1v is not an option since I read through both forums that it is the absolute worst formation against the so called butterfly formation.

Hi all, great work being done on this thread!!!

I'm currently using 4-5-1V against most squads, I think it's a quite good one.
I'm having some drawbacks against diamond formations.
Would you use it against 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond? What about against wide diamond version? Which orders would you select for a weaker/stronger team?

Thanks!!!
Cheers,
Paulo Bento.

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Originally Posted by Paulo Bento

Hi all, great work being done on this thread!!!

I'm currently using 4-5-1V against most squads, I think it's a quite good one.
I'm having some drawbacks against diamond formations.
Would you use it against 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond? What about against wide diamond version? Which orders would you select for a weaker/stronger team?

Thanks!!!
Cheers,
Paulo Bento.

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Against an unmotivated 4-1-2-1-2 narrow v-style would work quite well, especially with red-arrowed wingers. I use it quite often.
Against a diamond formation... Well it could not be the best choice, but it Aldo depends on the settings your opponent si using.

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Originally Posted by elric78

Thanks, I will try like you posted. I will let you know what happend

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I lost 2:1. Last goal 89 min, doesn't matter

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Originally Posted by ThePsycho

We both have the same quality, but 3-4 of his players are out of position. Using the 4-5-1v is not an option since I read through both forums that it is the absolute worst formation against the so called butterfly formation.

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I would not disagree with that but like I said that is not the butterfly.
This is the butterfly.

------DC--DC--DC
DMR----------------DML
--------MC---MC
AMR----------------AML
------------ST

Which when you look at it is probably the best one to counter his 3W 2-2-2-1 with and actually have a decent stab at scoring to boot.

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Originally Posted by elric78

I lost 2:1. Last goal 89 min, doesn't matter

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Unlucky that elric, some game stats would be nice.

I'm playing agains this formation need one to counter it
.........GK........
DL....DC...DC..DR
........DMC......
.........MC......
AML............AMR
ST....... ST.
would this work against the above
......... GK
DL...DC....DC...DR.
........DMC.....
.....MC....MC
AML......... AMR
........ST..........

Any tips for playing against 5-3-2 wide?

----ST------ST----
--------------------
ML------MC------MR
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DL--DC--DC--DC--DR

It's the 2nd game, in the 1st game I lost 3-2 while using 4-1-3-2 (wide). He used the same formation.
My team is 22.3*, his is 21.6*.

Thanks! :)

You need to lose a defender and then depending on the formation you adopt the DMC also put at least one AMC in there.

Options 3-4-3/ 3-3-2-2/3-1-3-1-2/3-1-3-2-1

5-3-2 needs hard attacking with O/S trap on need faster defenders for that to work well.

Let me know which formation you fancy, we can go from there, was the first game home or away? CL I assume.

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Originally Posted by juve

Any tips for playing against 5-3-2 wide?

----ST------ST----
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ML------MC------MR
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DL--DC--DC--DC--DR

It's the 2nd game, in the 1st game I lost 3-2 while using 4-1-3-2 (wide). He used the same formation.
My team is 22.3*, his is 21.6*.

Thanks! :)

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ignore this

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Originally Posted by Smoggie

I'm playing agains this formation need one to counter it
.........GK........
DL....DC...DC..DR
........DMC......
.........MC......
AML............AMR
ST....... ST.
would this work against the above
......... GK
DL...DC....DC...DR.
........DMC.....
.....MC....MC
AML......... AMR
........ST..........

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Jesus! I thought you Mackems knew a bit about football. :rolleyes:
Leaving his AM's wide open is not the best idea.

3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly would be better, or anything where you block his AM's from supplying the two strikers, three DC's with down arrow on the centre one is enough to take care of them.
He's also going to hit you down the flanks, another reason to block those AM's. and play the butterfly as your AM's block his DR/DL from getting forward. :D

i play 3-5-2 1lvl

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Originally Posted by Accyrover

You need to lose a defender and then depending on the formation you adopt the DMC also put at least one AMC in there.

Options 3-4-3/ 3-3-2-2/3-1-3-1-2/3-1-3-2-1

5-3-2 needs hard attacking with O/S trap on need faster defenders for that to work well.

Let me know which formation you fancy, we can go from there, was the first game home or away? CL I assume.

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Yes, it is CL. The first game was home, so this was an away game.
I started with Attacking mentality, Offside trap, down both flanks, whole pitch... Tried to go with attacking orders.
I used 4-3-1-2 (4-0-3-1-2) wide, got a f*cking red card in the 39', from then on I played 4-3-1-1, changed to Hard Attacking, Hard tackling. But still above of all, even when I watched the game (and he didn't) + a friend support me, and even though I ran the tactics so well and made so many adjusments, HE SCORED IN 82'. I lost it. This game can really be annyoing sometimes. :mad:

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Originally Posted by juve

Yes, it is CL. The first game was home, so this was an away game.
I started with Attacking mentality, Offside trap, down both flanks, whole pitch... Tried to go with attacking orders.
I used 4-3-1-2 (4-0-3-1-2) wide, got a f*cking red card in the 39', from then on I played 4-3-1-1, changed to Hard Attacking, Hard tackling. But still above of all, even when I watched the game (and he didn't) + a friend support me, and even though I ran the tactics so well and made so many adjusments, HE SCORED IN 82'. I lost it. This game can really be annyoing sometimes. :mad:

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When the game engine already has the finalist booked there is little you can do.
At least you gave it a good go, not like some, who just don't bother, and this is the :( part to the game.

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Originally Posted by Accyrover

Unlucky that elric, some game stats would be nice.

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Attachment 568

Could someone tell me why this:
Attachment 569
is illegal?
Regrads elric78

Nothing illegal, possession sometime goes that way away from home. If he had a strong MF and played through it, that may account for some of the possession, How many supporters watched the match?

none. i gote a few friends. But the only one wich will watch my games is on a other server, so iI don't have much supporter.

Hi guys, a counter for 4-1-4-1 can you tell me ? :D 4-4-2 is ok ?

hi, can anybody help me..just lesson for me for next champ league..i have loose 5-4 on agregate (1ST leg lost 1-2 second league draw 3-3 ..my formation is:


FW FW
AML AMR
MCMC
DL DC DC DR

AND MY Opponent formation are:

FW FW
AML AMR
MC MC
DMC
DL DC DR

any idea how to beat the formation..?

Thanks

I'm guessing that you put your formation on the board and left it there so he has countered you by using only 3 defenders and a DMC, he did take a risk by playing them wide, the reason for that was to supply balls down the flanks to his AMR/AML.
You have no DMC's to stop his AM's attacking your DR/DL, MC's are cancelled out player wise it then comes down to orders.
When playing 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 as some call it you must use attacking mentality, forcing you opponent to withdraw his AM's back into a more defensive position.
The best way to deal with that formation next time is: 3-2-2-2-1

-------DC--DC--DC
DMR-----------------DML
---------MC---MC
AMR-----------------AML
------------ST
If you match up the players you will see that your ST would be 1 v 1 every time he receives the ball from you AM's.
Your own AMR/AML stop the DR/DL getting the ball down the flanks.

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Originally Posted by Accyrover

I'm guessing that you put your formation on the board and left it there so he has countered you by using only 3 defenders and a DMC, he did take a risk by playing them wide, the reason for that was to supply balls down the flanks to his AMR/AML.
You have no DMC's to stop his AM's attacking your DR/DL, MC's are cancelled out player wise it then comes down to orders.
When playing 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 as some call it you must use attacking mentality, forcing you opponent to withdraw his AM's back into a more defensive position.
The best way to deal with that formation next time is: 3-2-2-2-1

-------DC--DC--DC
DMR-----------------DML
---------MC---MC
AMR-----------------AML
------------ST
If you match up the players you will see that your ST would be 1 v 1 every time he receives the ball from you AM's.
Your own AMR/AML stop the DR/DL getting the ball down the flanks.

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Sorry, are you talking to me?

Sorry, no elric, should have quoted 'ms76' above my post.

o.k Accyrover. My foult.

Any advice on playing against 4-3-1-2

St st
Amc
Mc mc mc
Dl dc dc dr
Gk

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Bonkers007

Any advice on playing against 4-3-1-2

St st
Amc
Mc mc mc
Dl dc dc dr
Gk

Thanks

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4-5-1 V-Style => Attack the flanks.

I'm sorry guys I wasn't available the last 3 days ... and i couldn't see your comments

but I'm back again :) ;)

and thanks to all my friend who tried to help the others ... thx so much.

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Originally Posted by Adel Gamal

I'm sorry guys I wasn't available the last 3 days ... and i couldn't see your comments

but I'm back again :) ;)

and thanks to all my friend who tried to help the others ... thx so much.

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Welcome back :D

Hi,
I'm playing in a cup semi tonight against a 3-3-2(w)-2 formation and he is slightly stronger than I am.
Any adive on a formation that could beat him as I've looked through all the posts and this formation
has never came up.

---st--st---
aml------amr
--mc-mc-mc--
--dc-dc-dc--
his average value is 57.7 and mine is 57
he thinks he's unbeatable and braggs about it
so it would be nice to beat him

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Originally Posted by chemchef

---st--st---
aml------amr
--mc-mc-mc--
--dc-dc-dc--
his average value is 57.7 and mine is 57
he thinks he's unbeatable and braggs about it
so it would be nice to beat him

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4 5 1 v stile will work great with these orders:
attacking mentality ... down both flanks ... whole pitch ... mixed passing ... no counter attack ... no offside trap ... zonal defense.

although many would say to you pay with
DC-DC-DC
DML-DMR
MC-MC-MC
ST-ST

but 4 5 1 v stile motivated with red arrows at DR/L & DMC & AMR/L will rok great as i used it too many times against this formation and i won with great difference but don't put any player out of his position and play with these orders and don't change anything.

and good luck. ;)

Thanks alot for your advice I'll give it a try

Hello,
I would like to know your ideas how to win against this formation:
--St-St-St--
----AMC----
--MC--MC--
DL-DC-DC-DR

Have a nice day:)

How would I set up my team against this formation? I could play this guy in the Champions League final and he has won all his games so far and I'm worried about him.

His team
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...ps940a09f7.jpg

My team
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...ps127ce7c6.jpg

I'm gonna play against a scout team in a cup match tomorrow.
He uses 4-3-1-2 wide and has got 7stars strikers, good midfield and average defense.
Would it be better to control the match with 2-3 MCs(i've got 5stars ones), trying to destroy his defense with my strong aml and st, or would it be better to play defensive with long passing-based counterattack?
What formation should i use?

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Originally Posted by Smoggie

Welcome back :D

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thx ;)

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Originally Posted by Luisfran

Hello,
I would like to know your ideas how to win against this formation:
--St-St-St--
----AMC----
--MC--MC--
DL-DC-DC-DR

Have a nice day:)

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4 5 1 V stile
Normal mentality ... down both flanks ... mixed passing ... whole pitch ... no counter attack ... no offside trap ... zonal defense.

red arrows at DR/L & DMC & AMR/L. and good luck