How to Win Against Any Formation?

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Originally Posted by bilro

Best way to beat this please :

http://i48.tinypic.com/4ibz1z.jpg

Anyone ?

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If your team is 11 players that are 5* then most standard formations should be able to beat this piece of ****.

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Well I'm pretty new but unbeaten in my 8 games last season and have won all 6 so far this season but tomorrow's league opponents have me a little vexed.

They line up: 4-1-3W-1-1

----------ST
---------AMC
ML-------MC-------MR
---------DMC
DL----DC----DC----DR

I've been playing 352 and 451 both V style mostly but have a flexible squad and can play pretty much any formation and was thinking of setting up as below for this game:

3N-1-4-2

-------ST----ST
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ML----MC----MC---MR
---------DMC
---DC----DC----DC

... but think perhaps I should stick with 352 V style which is one that's worked well for me so far and perhaps stacks up ok against his quite unusual formation.

His team averages 15.6 btw, mine averages 18.7 and I'm at home ... any thoughts/suggestions?

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Shouldn't have mentioned the unbeaten record as I lost this 3:1; you guys didn't offer any help or suggestions ... not that I blame you, much ;)

So, I played it in 3 thirds as it were, my original idea 3N-1-4-2 for the first 30 mins; 3-5-2 V style for the 15 mins either side of half time and then 3N-2(DMR/DML)-2N-1-2 for the last half hour (thinking that perhaps he had attackig arrows on ML and MC.)

None of this helped and I didn't seem to have any form of dominance in any part of the game - they scored a goal in each of the three 'portions' and we scored in the middle portion (playing 3-5-2 V) just after half time. Possession was 55:45 in my favour (watched the match and was away so that accounts for 3% of the advantage.) The rest of the stats were even, apart from my side strangely committing twice as many fouls despite normal tackling and own half pressing being set.

Soo ... for the 3rd and last time (I'll shut up about this game after this post) does anyone have any ideas about what I should have done differently or how I should set up against this team for the return match later in the season ???

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Well I'm pretty new but unbeaten in my 8 games last season and have won all 6 so far this season but tomorrow's league opponents have me a little vexed.

They line up: 4-1-3W-1-1

----------ST
---------AMC
ML-------MC-------MR
---------DMC
DL----DC----DC----DR

I've been playing 352 and 451 both V style mostly but have a flexible squad and can play pretty much any formation and was thinking of setting up as below for this game:

3N-1-4-2

-------ST----ST
----------------------
ML----MC----MC---MR
---------DMC
---DC----DC----DC

... but think perhaps I should stick with 352 V style which is one that's worked well for me so far and perhaps stacks up ok against his quite unusual formation.

His team averages 15.6 btw, mine averages 18.7 and I'm at home ... any thoughts/suggestions?

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this is the only formation tha gives me headache. i have very bad results against it. the formation 4-5-1 V has failed me and i won't suggest it. i played today against it with 3-1-4-2 and i won 2-1 away but very difficult despite the fact that i was playing for 60 min with more players and that i had better quality. i am playing again the day after tomorrow against a team with this formation who has better quality than me and i am in delema. after your game tell me how have you played

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Shouldn't have mentioned the unbeaten record as I lost this 3:1; you guys didn't offer any help or suggestions ... not that I blame you, much ;)

So, I played it in 3 thirds as it were, my original idea 3N-1-4-2 for the first 30 mins; 3-5-2 V style for the 15 mins either side of half time and then 3N-2(DMR/DML)-2N-1-2 for the last half hour (thinking that perhaps he had attackig arrows on ML and MC.)

None of this helped and I didn't seem to have any form of dominance in any part of the game - they scored a goal in each of the three 'portions' and we scored in the middle portion (playing 3-5-2 V) just after half time. Possession was 55:45 in my favour (watched the match and was away so that accounts for 3% of the advantage.) The rest of the stats were even, apart from my side strangely committing twice as many fouls despite normal tackling and own half pressing being set.

Soo ... for the 3rd and last time (I'll shut up about this game after this post) does anyone have any ideas about what I should have done differently or how I should set up against this team for the return match later in the season ???

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i was late

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Shouldn't have mentioned the unbeaten record as I lost this 3:1; you guys didn't offer any help or suggestions ... not that I blame you, much ;)

So, I played it in 3 thirds as it were, my original idea 3N-1-4-2 for the first 30 mins; 3-5-2 V style for the 15 mins either side of half time and then 3N-2(DMR/DML)-2N-1-2 for the last half hour (thinking that perhaps he had attackig arrows on ML and MC.)

None of this helped and I didn't seem to have any form of dominance in any part of the game - they scored a goal in each of the three 'portions' and we scored in the middle portion (playing 3-5-2 V) just after half time. Possession was 55:45 in my favour (watched the match and was away so that accounts for 3% of the advantage.) The rest of the stats were even, apart from my side strangely committing twice as many fouls despite normal tackling and own half pressing being set.

Soo ... for the 3rd and last time (I'll shut up about this game after this post) does anyone have any ideas about what I should have done differently or how I should set up against this team for the return match later in the season ???

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i don't think you should change formation so often during the match. you can't have certain conclusions. many times the formation that failed you in the first half crashes the opponent in the second.

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Originally Posted by bilro

3-5-1 ? one player missing there

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My 1 player is like yours 2...sorry... :D

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

i don't think you should change formation so often during the match. you can't have certain conclusions. many times the formation that failed you in the first half crashes the opponent in the second.

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Yes, I think you're right - should have stuck with one formation and seen what happened over 90 mins.

I'll keep you posted about what I do against this formation in future games and if you do the same I'm sure we'll crack it :)

I normally do not change formation during the game unless my opponent does so.
I have been playing around a little this season in the cups and league against easier opponents, tonight I changed formation three times but quality remained more or less the same, somewhere around 46 v 32.
Possession never changed more then 1% which in its self you cannot put down to the formations, as play does fluctuate.
I'm pretty certain now that what you start off with is pretty much what you will have at the end, as long as 11 players stay on the pitch and nothing stupid is done like switching to an illegal formation.

As others have also mentioned, the way the game engine runs anything is possible in the second half.

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Originally Posted by Accyrover

I normally do not change formation during the game unless my opponent does so.
I have been playing around a little this season in the cups and league against easier opponents, tonight I changed formation three times but quality remained more or less the same, somewhere around 46 v 32.
Possession never changed more then 1% which in its self you cannot put down to the formations, as play does fluctuate.
I'm pretty certain now that what you start off with is pretty much what you will have at the end, as long as 11 players stay on the pitch and nothing stupid is done like switching to an illegal formation.

As others have also mentioned, the way the game engine runs anything is possible in the second half.

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Thanks for adding weight to what gkassimis said I agree and won't mess around so much in one game in future ...

But what about the important question, how to beat this formation?

4-1-3W-1-1

----------ST
---------AMC
ML-------MC-------MR
---------DMC
DL----DC----DC----DR

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

That will go as a solution on my formations, I knew the 3 in the middle would prove difficult for the wide diamond to handle.

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He won because his foe used an illegal formation so I wouldn't put it up there.

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Thanks for adding weight to what gkassimis said I agree and won't mess around so much in one game in future ...

But what about the important question, how to beat this formation?

4-1-3W-1-1

----------ST
---------AMC
ML-------MC-------MR
---------DMC
DL----DC----DC----DR

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It's not an easy one to crack, same with 3-1-4-1-1
A lot will depend on your own players available.
First off how do you match up against his ST and AMC if you have the upper hand then things get a little easier as you can block the AMC and play 3 wide at the back.
From there take his MF out man for man, that leaves you three to attack him with, as he has a DMC you need AMR/AML and a striker to finish the job.
He is probably playing with Focus mixed so I'd put down arrows on my MR/ML and play Mentality Normal, Focus Both flanks, with short passing and zonal marking no offside and no force counter.
If those orders are not working, depending on how he is creating chances then tweak them to Defensive.
3 wide is not the best to go attacking with as you need the off side trap on, which is risky to say the least.
Hope this helps, it's the way I'd play him in any case.

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Originally Posted by Accyrover

It's not an easy one to crack, same with 3-1-4-1-1
A lot will depend on your own players available.
First off how do you match up against his ST and AMC if you have the upper hand then things get a little easier as you can block the AMC and play 3 wide at the back.
From there take his MF out man for man, that leaves you three to attack him with, as he has a DMC you need AMR/AML and a striker to finish the job.
He is probably playing with Focus mixed so I'd put down arrows on my MR/ML and play Mentality Normal, Focus Both flanks, with short passing and zonal marking no offside and no force counter.
If those orders are not working, depending on how he is creating chances then tweak them to Defensive.
3 wide is not the best to go attacking with as you need the off side trap on, which is risky to say the least.
Hope this helps, it's the way I'd play him in any case.

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So if I have this right the formation you are suggesting is as follows:

3N-1-3W-2(AMR/AML)-1

----------ST
AML---------------AMR
ML-------MC-------MR
---------DMC
---DC----DC----DC

... with defensive arrows on the MR and ML.

Looks very unusual and heavy on the wings but I like that :)

Yes I stack up fine at the back and all across the pitch to be honest - my side is 2-3 points better than his in every position pretty much. (Plus my squad is flexible enough that playing this formation has no one playing out of position.)

When I compare what you've come up with to his formation it makes a lot of sense, thank you ... I'll be sure to let you know how I get on in the return later in the season if not before if I meet someone playing the same formation as him.

Great stuff, thank you.

I've been doing well in my sophomore season.

How do I beat this formation? I think it's illegal, but I've noticed that my opponent got 43% possession in his last game in a win against a team with a legal formation:

2-3-3-2

----DC--DC----
DML--DMC--DMR
---MC-MC-MC---
----ST--ST----

If he changes to a 3-2-3-2 at the last minute, what should I do...

---DC-DC-DC---
DML--------DMR
---MC-MC-MC---
----ST--ST----

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Originally Posted by TheRainmaker

I've been doing well in my sophomore season.

How do I beat this formation? I think it's illegal, but I've noticed that my opponent got 43% possession in his last game in a win against a team with a legal formation:

2-3-3-2

----DC--DC----
DML--DMC--DMR
---MC-MC-MC---
----ST--ST----

If he changes to a 3-2-3-2 at the last minute, what should I do...

---DC-DC-DC---
DML--------DMR
---MC-MC-MC---
----ST--ST----

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Yes first formation is definately illegal as only two at the back so I wouldn't worry too much if he plays it, should be an easy win with pretty much any standard legal formation. If he changes to the second, fairly common formation then the table of counter formations states 3N-2DML/DMR-3N-2 is countered by 4-4-2 Classic, link below.

http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...-what-use.html

Given the first, illegal formation is very little different to the second I'd say 4-4-2 would be fine there also if you're really looking for an answer to it, but like I said if he plays it you should win comfortably.

Hi guys
I need a help.how to beat this team:

Attachment 2183

My team Average quality:39.1
Opponent team Average quality: 69.1

I must win with 2 or more goals.

Thank you

League away match...
His formation

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6c33cfdc.png

My formation and orders

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psb3d2e54a.png

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by forzamilan

Hi guys
I need a help.how to beat this team:

Attachment 2183

My team Average quality:39.1
Opponent team Average quality: 69.1

I must win with 2 or more goals.

Thank you

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Friend...there's no chance to win against him...be sure about that... :D

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Originally Posted by forzamilan

Hi guys
I need a help.how to beat this team:

Attachment 2183

My team Average quality:39.1
Opponent team Average quality: 69.1

I must win with 2 or more goals.

Thank you

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No chance lol

Iam playing today game with oponent :

GK
DC DC DC
DMC
MC MC
AML AMR
ST ST

I am playing

GK
DC DC DC
MC MC
AML AMC AMR
ST ST

He got 13,3 stars and I 26,1 stars - first game was 0-0

Please help

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How about this one?
I usually use 4-5-1 V

What tactic should I use to beat this strong opponent

http://i1.minus.com/ibeAEVs0vtf5Oi.png

what about 3-2-2-1-2 ?

Hi guys
I need a help.how to beat this team:

Attachment 2221

Thank u

Hi all
Need help for beat

DL DC DR
DMC
ML MC MC MR
ST ST

my quality is 42 avversary 52+

thank's for help

Next Tip i need from the community - here are my opponents line-up:

--------GK---------
DR--DC-----DC--DL-
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MR--MC----MC--MR-
-------AMC---------
-------------ST-----

Any ideas? I would play 4-5-1 V formation with normal mentality - half pressing and counter attack.

i play tomorrows again a team better than mine average 33 vs me he is playing in this formation
gk
dr dc dc dl

mc
aml amc amr
st st


thank's for he

Help VS 4-3-1-2

ST ST
AMC
MC MC MC

DL DC DC DR

well this is very helpfull but i still need some advice for this:

--------ST---------
AML---AMC----AMR
----MC----MC------
DL--DC----DC--DR-

4-2-3-1
how can i counter this kind of formation?

i dont know if this was already mentioned in this topic there are to many pages to search
so excuse me if this is already been told

see here

http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...4-2-3-1-a.html

Hello, I have a tough game in cup, I would like some advice in order to win, the alignment of the rival is

----ST----ST----
AML--AMC--AMR-
----MC---MC----
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---DC-DC-DC----

I also say that takes more than 10 points on average, I have about 22 and 32, play morning, I was thinking of putting the butterfly but with a DMC and MC but not if it would be a good idea, or that place orders. greetings and thanks

ST
AMC
MC MC MC
DMC
DC DC DC DC
help asap :)

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Originally Posted by mass

ST
AMC
MC MC MC
DMC
DC DC DC DC
help asap :)

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Just play with anything you like :) It is an illegal formation so it will be an easy win for you.

Just make sure your formation is legal and you're good to go :)

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Originally Posted by dv8r

Just play with anything you like :) It is an illegal formation so it will be an easy win for you.

Just make sure your formation is legal and you're good to go :)

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It's not an illegal formation, the OP has annotated it wrong as he's listed 4 central defenders which is impossible to do - He'll need to clarify.

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Originally Posted by predator

Hello, I have a tough game in cup, I would like some advice in order to win, the alignment of the rival is

----ST----ST----
AML--AMC--AMR-
----MC---MC----
-----------------
---DC-DC-DC----

I also say that takes more than 10 points on average, I have about 22 and 32, play morning, I was thinking of putting the butterfly but with a DMC and MC but not if it would be a good idea, or that place orders. greetings and thanks

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any ideas? plz

How to set the tactics for setting 5/1/2/2
DR/DC/DC/DC/DL
DMC
MC/MC
ST/ST?

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Originally Posted by Maamba

Yes first formation is definately illegal as only two at the back so I wouldn't worry too much if he plays it, should be an easy win with pretty much any standard legal formation. If he changes to the second, fairly common formation then the table of counter formations states 3N-2DML/DMR-3N-2 is countered by 4-4-2 Classic, link below.

http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...-what-use.html

Given the first, illegal formation is very little different to the second I'd say 4-4-2 would be fine there also if you're really looking for an answer to it, but like I said if he plays it you should win comfortably.

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Thank you. Won 4-0 with the 4-4-2 against his illegal formation.

I need special help for:

----------GK---------
DR-------DC-------DL
DMR-DMC---DMC-DML
---------MC----------
--------AMC---------
---------ST---------

Thank you :)!

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Originally Posted by Lui85

I need special help for:

----------GK---------
DR-------DC-------DL
DMR-DMC---DMC-DML
---------MC----------
--------AMC---------
---------ST---------

Thank you :)!

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I believe this is an illegal formation.

Less than 4 players in opponents half. Look at his past few matches, is he getting 20% possession? If yes then it's illegal

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Originally Posted by dv8r

I believe this is an illegal formation.

Less than 4 players in opponents half. Look at his past few matches, is he getting 20% possession? If yes then it's illegal

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------ST------
AML-------AMR
------MC------
DML--DMC--DMR
---DC-DC-DC---

this formation is legal?

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Originally Posted by predator

------ST------
AML-------AMR
------MC------
DML--DMC--DMR
---DC-DC-DC---

this formation is legal?

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Yes it is