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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    4-3-2-1

    ------ST-----
    AML--------AMR
    ---MC-MC-MC
    --------------
    DL-DC---DC--DR

    Mentalty: Normal/Attacking (depending who is stronger)
    Passing focus: Down both flanks
    Passing style: Mixed
    Tackling: Normal
    Marking: Zonal
    Pressing: Full pitch
    Counter: OFF
    Offside trap: ON (OFF if your defenders are slower than your opponents strikers)

    Thanks 5:1 win

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    How to beat 3-1-5-1, formation looks like this:

    -------ST-------
    ----------------
    ML-MC-MC-MC-MR
    -------DMC------
    DL-----DC-----DR

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    Hello,All) i will have today a match vs

    ______________ST_________________ST____________

    ____ML_______MC_________MC_____________MR______

    __________________________DMC___________________
    ______DL__________DC_____________DC_____________

    whitch formation i have to use for win?

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    Hi all,i need help against this formation

    ______ ST______

    ML___ MC___ MR

    ___DMC__DMC

    DL__DC__DC__DR


    Thank you =)

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    Hi guys, it's my second season in top eleven. First season i won both cup and ligue. This season i'm leading my league with 6-0-0
    In cup i will face one level 7 player in 4-5-1 V style:

    ST
    AML AMR
    MC MC
    DMC
    DL DC DC DR

    i'm pretty pissed because i will face a guy with 5 levels more than me... but that's the way it is.
    So i came to ask some advices, i read a lot of stuff here before to come to ask your minds.
    In one very interesting tutorial one guy (ADEL GAMAL) is telling that against 4-5-1 it's nice to use 3-5-2 and few lines later he's also telling totally opposite :"against 3-5-2 it's good to use 4-5-1...." LOL

    WHAT TO DO? How to win against this f****** 4-5-1??? Usually i'm playing in 4-1-2-1-2 diamond but this Formation is very weak on the wings... Need some help
    Last edited by fedja; 01-20-2013 at 08:40 PM.

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    I've been seeing this formation alot recently (used it, succesfully, myself), but I don't see a good counter to it posted on here. It's basically a 3-5-2 V style.
    ---DC--DC--DC---
    -------DMC-------
    ----MC----MC----
    AMR---------AMR
    ----ST-----ST----
    Does anyone know how to counter this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedja View Post
    Hi guys, it's my second season in top eleven. First season i won both cup and ligue. This season i'm leading my league with 6-0-0
    In cup i will face one level 7 player in 4-5-1 V style:

    ST
    AML AMR
    MC MC
    DMC
    DL DC DC DR

    i'm pretty pissed because i will face a guy with 5 levels more than me... but that's the way it is.
    So i came to ask some advices, i read a lot of stuff here before to come to ask your minds.
    In one very interesting tutorial one guy (ADEL GAMAL) is telling that against 4-5-1 it's nice to use 3-5-2 and few lines later he's also telling totally opposite :"against 3-5-2 it's good to use 4-5-1...." LOL

    WHAT TO DO? How to win against this f****** 4-5-1??? Usually i'm playing in 4-1-2-1-2 diamond but this Formation is very weak on the wings... Need some help
    Your opponent is using a 4-5-1 'V' formation which is covered at the beginning of this thread.

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    Hi CIBlue, i know and that's exactly what i told... In this thread the guy is telling totally incomprehensible things:
    use 3-5-2 against 4-5-1 and then he tell use 4-5-1 against 3-5-2... illogical...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adel Gamal View Post
    This a very important topic and always all managers in top eleven used to discus in; so because most of managers here didn't add any topics related to this topic idea, I wanted to add an old topic as in the old forum of top eleven and try to discus here in expansion and details.

    Also trying to find different formations and their strengths and weaknesses so let's begin

    Part 1

    4-4-2

    4-4-2 is not a very strong formation on the game; it rules the midfield and defense but offers very little going forward.

    To win against this classic formation and beat it you need to keep the midfield whilst being strong in attack, what I’d recommend is a 4-5-1 V formation with attacking arrows on the DMC to effectively turn him to a MC when you are attacking.

    -------------ST---------------
    AML---------------------AMR
    ---------MC-------MC---------
    -------------DMC (UP)---------
    DL---- ----DC--DC---------DR

    If you are losing add arrows to both sets of wingers to give you an extra edge.

    Orders:
    Mentality: Depends how many you want to win by, go for an attacking against weaker teams and vice verse for stronger.
    Passing: Mixed
    Pressing: Own half without offside trap, full pitch with fast defenders and offside trap.
    The others do not really matter, just make sure your opponent has no AM when you do the offside or counter attack.

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    4-3-3

    This formation has a fatal flaw in the form of not having any wingers. To beat it, exploit this major weakness by focusing your attack on the flanks while defending your middle. Here's a few examples of formations that do exactly that:

    3-1-3-2-1
    ----------ST----------
    AML--------------AMR
    ----MC--MC--MC----
    ---------DMC---------
    ----DC--DC--DC-----

    4-1-4-1
    ----------------ST--------------
    ---------------------------------
    ML (UP)--MC----MC----MR (UP)
    --------------DMC (UP)-------
    DL (UP)--DC--DC------DR (UP)

    3-3-2-2
    --------ST----ST-----
    AML--------------AMR
    ----MC--MC--MC----
    -----------------------
    ----DC--DC--DC----

    The exact formation is up to you, but keep this in mind:

    a) Always attack the flanks with either ML/MR with red arrows or AML/AMR
    b)Use at least 2 DC's
    c)Use at least 2 MC's
    d)The combined number of your Defenders+DMC's+MC's must be 6 or higher.
    e) MC's+ML/MR must be 4 or higher.

    Tactics against 4-3-3.

    4-3-3 is an attacking formation, so you can either play offside trap with very fast defenders while pressing the whole pitch, or a more defensive counter-attacking way while pressing your own half.

    Most formations able to easily beat 4-3-3 will be heavy in the midfield, as such, use short passing if playing offensively and mixed passing when trying to counter attack.

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    3-4-3

    This midfield based attacking formation can prove devastating if left unchecked. Luckily you can use the formation's momentum against it with counter attacks down the flanks or exploit the lack of DMC's or DML/DMR's to counter any AMC's or AML/AMR's of your own.

    At any rate, when playing against 3-4-3 you should have more midfielders than the opponent, this can be achieved in many ways, some of which are explained below.

    Defending and counter-attacking examples:
    This work well with defensive or normal mentality, pressing your own half with mixed passing and force counter.

    3-2-2-2-1 ( 5-2-2-1)
    ---------ST---------
    AML------------AMR
    -----MC-----MC----
    DML------------DMR
    ----DC--DC--DC----

    Motivated 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1)
    ---------ST----ST---------
    -----------------------------
    ML(UP)--MC--MC--MR(UP)
    ----------------------------
    DL(UP)--DC--DC--DR(UP)

    3-5-1-1
    -----------ST-----------
    ----------AMC----------
    ML--MC--MC--MC--MR
    -------------------------
    -----DC---DC---DC-----

    Attacking formation examples:
    This work well with attacking mentality, pressing the whole pitch and short passing.

    4-3-2-1 Christamas tree
    ----------ST---------
    -----AMC---AMC----
    ML------MC-------MR
    ---------------------
    DL----DC--DC----DR

    4-3-2-1
    ---------ST----------
    AML------------AMR
    ----MC--MC--MC---
    ----------------------
    DL----DC--DC----DR

    -----------
    3-5-2

    3-5-2 has a few weaknesses, mainly; it's lack of punch and weak wing defence. 5 midfielders mean a solid ball control, don't expect to dominate the match, but since there aren't any attacking midfielders, you can just as easily block their advance.

    While there are many ways to defeat 3-5-2, I'll explain 2 formations that will allow you to better understand the mechanics of how this can be done.

    4-5-1 V-style (motivated)
    An awesomely versatile formation that combined with a few arrows can be either attacking or defensive. In this case, you want to force an attack through the wings, so...

    -------------ST---------------
    AML---------------------AMR
    ---------MC-------MC---------
    -------------DMC (UP)---------
    DL (UP)----DC--DC----DR (UP

    Motivated DL and DR's block movement from the opponents ML and MR's while also feeding passes to your AML and AMR. The 2 MC and motivated DMC block any centre movement.
    On the attack your formation will effectively be:

    -----------ST------------
    AML-----------------AMR
    ------MC--MC--MC-----
    DML----------------DMR
    ----------DC--DC--------

    That gives you 5 midfielders to block the opponent's 5, and you have 2 attacking midfielders which have open access since he doesn't have wing backs or fullbacks. On the defense, your formation will return to the basic 4-5-1 and still give you a solid coverage.

    Mentality: Usually normal, but I recommend going defensive with hard tackling if the opponent's team is better, and attacking if the opposite.
    Force counter: Yes
    Passing: mixed, through both flanks
    Pressing: own half
    Zonal marking

    3-1-4-1-1

    The main strong point of 3-5-2 is, obviously, a very hard to beat midfield. Fight fire with fire and use 6 midfielders against it. All while exploiting the lack of a DMC to counter an AMC.
    --------ST--------
    -------AMC-------
    ML--MC--MC--MR
    -------DMC-------
    ---DC--DC--DC---

    This midfield heavy weight needs short passing in order to work so force counter doesn't work very well with it. Instead, with fast DC's, it can be used playing offside trap if you press the whole pitch. With normal or slow defenders, it's better to neither play offside trap or force counter and just press your own half.

    Mentality: Normal
    Passing: Mixed short passes
    Pressing: Either whole half with offside trap or own half without it.
    Marking: Zonal

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    4-5-1
    I haven't faced 4-5-1 flat often, but when I did I used the formation 3-5-2.

    3-5-2 against the 4-5-1 flat would be best used with long passing with zonal marking. Attacking tactics should be focused on long balls. This requires a forward with good pace and speed.

    4-5-1 is similar to the 4-5-1 V Style... 3-5-2 is also effective against the V style.

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    5-3-2
    How To Beat 5-3-2...
    Hi, i wanted to help my friend ,Sam with this special thread.....Here we go...When you play against 5-3-2 you should use the a very attacking system like 3-1-3-1-2 (wide) and put red arrows on you dmc and red arrows on your 2 strikers ,on the one atm and red arrows on your two winger(left and right)...also good idea will be to switch you team mentality to hard attacking(well..based on you opponent's players level) also id wan to beat 5-3-1 you should switch your pressing style to ''whole pitch''as you opponent with 5-3-2...will play defensive game football...also you should you switch you passing style to '' mixed passes'' because the opponent will have a lot of DC/...so you should try to play with long balls and short passes...oh...and something final..try to hit him from the flanks.

    --------ST------ST---------
    ------------AMC-------------
    ML---------MC------------MR
    ------------DMC---------------
    -------DC--DC--DC-------------

    -----------
    4-5-1 V Style

    4-5-1 V-style is one of the most versatile formations. It can easily become defensive or offensive with the change of a few arrows. A great jack of all trades, but it's lack of defensive wingers can be exploited.

    When playing against 4-5-1 V, you need to protect your flanks and attack the opponent's. Forget about attacking the middle, it's that simple. Keep in mind that 4-5-1 V-style is most often played with counter-attacking orders, so you don't want to overdo your attacks. Use normal or defensive mentality and press your own half.

    As always, when playing against a midfield formation, you need to have at least as many midfielders as the opponent.

    Here's a few examples:

    4-3-2-1

    This is 4-5-1 V-style's brother. It takes advantage of not using a DMC who won't be blocking an nonexistent AMC and vice verse. This translates into a more powerful midfield to feed passes to the forward players.

    --------------ST-------------
    AML-------------------AMR
    ------MC----MC----MC----
    ------------------------------
    DL(UP)--DC--DC---DR(UP)

    Motivated 4-5-1 flat.

    While an unmotivated 4-5-1 flat would probably succumb to a 4-5-1 V-style, you can take advantage of that and make the opponent underestimate you. He'll probably realize that his flanks are under constant attack after a few goals.

    ----------------ST------------------
    -------------------------------------
    ML(UP)--MC--MC--MC--MR(UP)
    -------------------------------------
    DL(UP)-----DC---DC-----DR(UP)

    3-2-2-2-1

    While you don't need more than 1 or 2 DC's against 4-5-1 V, you don't want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.

    ----------------ST---------------
    AML------------------------AMR
    -----------MC-----MC-----------
    DML------------------------DMR
    ----DC(UP)DC(DOWN)DC(UP)-
    my friend...you play another game...352 does`nt play no one because is so week...what you describe here is patetic......
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    Quote Originally Posted by fedja View Post
    Hi CIBlue, i know and that's exactly what i told... In this thread the guy is telling totally incomprehensible things:
    use 3-5-2 against 4-5-1 and then he tell use 4-5-1 against 3-5-2... illogical...
    I have used Adel's tactics on this thread and it has won me many trophies...

    Use this anyway... Butterfly formation

    You won't have much chance against level 7 when you are level 2 but this is the best tactics to try to draw or keep the scoring low.

    ------------ST-------------
    AML-------------------AMR
    ------MC--------MC----
    DML------------------DMR
    ------DC--DC--DC-------

    Mentality: Hard defensive
    Passing Focus: Down both flanks
    Passing style: Mixed
    Pressing: Own half
    Tackling: Hard
    Marking: Zonal
    Counter: ON
    Offside trap: OFF
    Last edited by dv8r; 01-20-2013 at 09:42 PM. Reason: Just realised you're playing better opponent


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