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Good start! I suggest to add variabilities into team orders for a)weaker or b)stronger opponent. :]
Ughhh... Thats gonna take too long you know... I am just trying to restore the original thread that all that info got deleted. I'm no expert on formations and I'm not a big fan of giving out advice on how to counter every single formation. I'm just doing the basics here.
GREAT JOB --> July Fourth
With this interesting topic, you have helped thousand of people especially Newbie like me :)
If possible I think you should put more formation to complete the picture.
OR, you should guide people the basic to counter such as if you see a formation do not play ML/MR and AML or AMR you should attack flank, if you see they have real MC such as wide diamond formation you should put more MC and attack middle. If you see enemy has only 1 ST you only need 3 DC and if you see AMR,AMC,AML you should have DMC to counter...etc.
I think it is best you give people a fishing rod instead of a fish, so that in the future they know how to fish by themselves instead of crying and asking all the time :)
Cheers mate.
Well. I'm no expert countering but I just wanted this topic restored back to approximately what it was beforehand before it got closed down, At least this topic should be here to stay as with my counter formations table thread, at least some players know whats best to use for a possible counter.
nice topic for me i won against 532 outside my home with 4141 .i win 5_1 against player who has same team as mine
i saw formation 4222 but not hexagonal 2AMC instead of AMR and AML .its illegal?
Good work @July Fourth!
PS. Didnt fmldotcom make a pdf copy of @AdelGamals gudie? :D
Very nice to see this kind of topic. I hope this topic will prevent ( new ) users to create new topic for every their question. Good job July Fourth, keep it up!
Personally i don't think the 3-5-2 classic is a good choice against the 4-5-1 flat.
If i recall Adel suggestions was to play 3-5-2 and long ball, personally I haven't had great results with this strategy.
Hi im playing a team Quality around 42 and im 37.8. he plays 3w- 1 dmc- 3w-1amc - 2st, and changes to 3w - 2dmc - 3w - 1amc - 2st sometimes! im playing AWAY too! how do i compete?? help please:)
Need some adv..
oppenents fromation is 4 - 1MC - 2AMC - 3ST
Recommended Formation To Counter?
THANZ...
How to force
3-2-2-2-1
DR DC DL
DMC DMC
MR ML
AMC AMC
ST
Part 1
4-4-2
4-4-2 is not a very strong formation on the game; it rules the midfield and defense but offers very little going forward.
To win against this classic formation and beat it you need to keep the midfield whilst being strong in attack, what I’d recommend is a 4-5-1 V formation with attacking arrows on the DMC to effectively turn him to a MC when you are attacking.
-------------ST---------------
AML---------------------AMR
---------MC-------MC---------
-------------DMC (UP)---------
DL---- ----DC--DC---------DR
If you are losing add arrows to both sets of wingers to give you an extra edge.
Orders:
Mentality: Depends how many you want to win by, go for an attacking against weaker teams and vice verse for stronger.
Passing: Mixed
Pressing: Own half without offside trap, full pitch with fast defenders and offside trap.
The others do not really matter, just make sure your opponent has no AM when you do the offside or counter attack.
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4-3-3
This formation has a fatal flaw in the form of not having any wingers. To beat it, exploit this major weakness by focusing your attack on the flanks while defending your middle. Here's a few examples of formations that do exactly that:
3-1-3-2-1
----------ST----------
AML--------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC----
---------DMC---------
----DC--DC--DC-----
4-1-4-1
----------------ST--------------
---------------------------------
ML (UP)--MC----MC----MR (UP)
--------------DMC (UP)-------
DL (UP)--DC--DC------DR (UP)
3-3-2-2
--------ST----ST-----
AML--------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC----
-----------------------
----DC--DC--DC----
The exact formation is up to you, but keep this in mind:
a) Always attack the flanks with either ML/MR with red arrows or AML/AMR
b)Use at least 2 DC's
c)Use at least 2 MC's
d)The combined number of your Defenders+DMC's+MC's must be 6 or higher.
e) MC's+ML/MR must be 4 or higher.
Tactics against 4-3-3.
4-3-3 is an attacking formation, so you can either play offside trap with very fast defenders while pressing the whole pitch, or a more defensive counter-attacking way while pressing your own half.
Most formations able to easily beat 4-3-3 will be heavy in the midfield, as such, use short passing if playing offensively and mixed passing when trying to counter attack.
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3-4-3
This midfield based attacking formation can prove devastating if left unchecked. Luckily you can use the formation's momentum against it with counter attacks down the flanks or exploit the lack of DMC's or DML/DMR's to counter any AMC's or AML/AMR's of your own.
At any rate, when playing against 3-4-3 you should have more midfielders than the opponent, this can be achieved in many ways, some of which are explained below.
Defending and counter-attacking examples:
This work well with defensive or normal mentality, pressing your own half with mixed passing and force counter.
3-2-2-2-1 ( 5-2-2-1)
---------ST---------
AML------------AMR
-----MC-----MC----
DML------------DMR
----DC--DC--DC----
Motivated 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1)
---------ST----ST---------
-----------------------------
ML(UP)--MC--MC--MR(UP)
----------------------------
DL(UP)--DC--DC--DR(UP)
3-5-1-1
-----------ST-----------
----------AMC----------
ML--MC--MC--MC--MR
-------------------------
-----DC---DC---DC-----
Attacking formation examples:
This work well with attacking mentality, pressing the whole pitch and short passing.
4-3-2-1 Christamas tree
----------ST---------
-----AMC---AMC----
ML------MC-------MR
---------------------
DL----DC--DC----DR
4-3-2-1
---------ST----------
AML------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC---
----------------------
DL----DC--DC----DR
-----------
3-5-2
3-5-2 has a few weaknesses, mainly; it's lack of punch and weak wing defence. 5 midfielders mean a solid ball control, don't expect to dominate the match, but since there aren't any attacking midfielders, you can just as easily block their advance.
While there are many ways to defeat 3-5-2, I'll explain 2 formations that will allow you to better understand the mechanics of how this can be done.
4-5-1 V-style (motivated)
An awesomely versatile formation that combined with a few arrows can be either attacking or defensive. In this case, you want to force an attack through the wings, so...
-------------ST---------------
AML---------------------AMR
---------MC-------MC---------
-------------DMC (UP)---------
DL (UP)----DC--DC----DR (UP
Motivated DL and DR's block movement from the opponents ML and MR's while also feeding passes to your AML and AMR. The 2 MC and motivated DMC block any centre movement.
On the attack your formation will effectively be:
-----------ST------------
AML-----------------AMR
------MC--MC--MC-----
DML----------------DMR
----------DC--DC--------
That gives you 5 midfielders to block the opponent's 5, and you have 2 attacking midfielders which have open access since he doesn't have wing backs or fullbacks. On the defense, your formation will return to the basic 4-5-1 and still give you a solid coverage.
Mentality: Usually normal, but I recommend going defensive with hard tackling if the opponent's team is better, and attacking if the opposite.
Force counter: Yes
Passing: mixed, through both flanks
Pressing: own half
Zonal marking
3-1-4-1-1
The main strong point of 3-5-2 is, obviously, a very hard to beat midfield. Fight fire with fire and use 6 midfielders against it. All while exploiting the lack of a DMC to counter an AMC.
--------ST--------
-------AMC-------
ML--MC--MC--MR
-------DMC-------
---DC--DC--DC---
This midfield heavy weight needs short passing in order to work so force counter doesn't work very well with it. Instead, with fast DC's, it can be used playing offside trap if you press the whole pitch. With normal or slow defenders, it's better to neither play offside trap or force counter and just press your own half.
Mentality: Normal
Passing: Mixed short passes
Pressing: Either whole half with offside trap or own half without it.
Marking: Zonal
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4-5-1
I haven't faced 4-5-1 flat often, but when I did I used the formation 3-5-2.
3-5-2 against the 4-5-1 flat would be best used with long passing with zonal marking. Attacking tactics should be focused on long balls. This requires a forward with good pace and speed.
4-5-1 is similar to the 4-5-1 V Style... 3-5-2 is also effective against the V style.
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5-3-2
How To Beat 5-3-2...
Hi, i wanted to help my friend ,Sam with this special thread.....Here we go...When you play against 5-3-2 you should use the a very attacking system like 3-1-3-1-2 (wide) and put red arrows on you dmc and red arrows on your 2 strikers ,on the one atm and red arrows on your two winger(left and right)...also good idea will be to switch you team mentality to hard attacking(well..based on you opponent's players level) also id wan to beat 5-3-1 you should switch your pressing style to ''whole pitch''as you opponent with 5-3-2...will play defensive game football...also you should you switch you passing style to '' mixed passes'' because the opponent will have a lot of DC/...so you should try to play with long balls and short passes...oh...and something final..try to hit him from the flanks.
--------ST------ST---------
------------AMC-------------
ML---------MC------------MR
------------DMC---------------
-------DC--DC--DC-------------
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4-5-1 V Style
4-5-1 V-style is one of the most versatile formations. It can easily become defensive or offensive with the change of a few arrows. A great jack of all trades, but it's lack of defensive wingers can be exploited.
When playing against 4-5-1 V, you need to protect your flanks and attack the opponent's. Forget about attacking the middle, it's that simple. Keep in mind that 4-5-1 V-style is most often played with counter-attacking orders, so you don't want to overdo your attacks. Use normal or defensive mentality and press your own half.
As always, when playing against a midfield formation, you need to have at least as many midfielders as the opponent.
Here's a few examples:
4-3-2-1
This is 4-5-1 V-style's brother. It takes advantage of not using a DMC who won't be blocking an nonexistent AMC and vice verse. This translates into a more powerful midfield to feed passes to the forward players.
--------------ST-------------
AML-------------------AMR
------MC----MC----MC----
------------------------------
DL(UP)--DC--DC---DR(UP)
Motivated 4-5-1 flat.
While an unmotivated 4-5-1 flat would probably succumb to a 4-5-1 V-style, you can take advantage of that and make the opponent underestimate you. He'll probably realize that his flanks are under constant attack after a few goals.
----------------ST------------------
-------------------------------------
ML(UP)--MC--MC--MC--MR(UP)
-------------------------------------
DL(UP)-----DC---DC-----DR(UP)
3-2-2-2-1
While you don't need more than 1 or 2 DC's against 4-5-1 V, you don't want to use an illegal formation. The extra DC acts as a sweeper, DML/DMR block the attacks from the flanks, and AML/AMR attack the soft flanks.
----------------ST---------------
AML------------------------AMR
-----------MC-----MC-----------
DML------------------------DMR
----DC(UP)DC(DOWN)DC(UP)-
3-2-3-2
DC-DC-DC
DML-DMR
MC-MC-MC
ST-ST
The 3-2-3-2 can be beaten by the 4-4-2 Classic. The 4-4-2 is not thought to be an ideal formation to use, however it is one of the most balanced formations in football.
Best used with normal mentality, down both flanks, short passing, zonal marking with normal tackling. No counterattack and no offside trap.
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4-1-3-2 Wide
4-1-3-2 Wide 3
DL-DC-DC-DR
DMC
ML-MC-MR
ST-ST
Countered by 3-2-2-2-1
DC-DC-DC
DML(UP)-DMR(UP) (If using DL/DR as DML/DMR, remove the red arrows)
MC-MC
AML-AMR (Red arrows if AML/AMR also play as strikers and you want some extra punch)
ST
Short passing, through the flanks, attacking mentality, zonal marking,
pressing whole pitch with offside trap.
OR
Own Half, counter attack, defensive, mixed passing
Other formations known to beat 4-1-3-2 Wide 3:
3-1-4-2 and 3-1-4-1-1 using normal mentality, zonal marking, own half, short passing, normal tackling, no counterattack and no offside trap.
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4-2-2-2
DL--DC-DC--DR
----MC-MC----
AML--------AMR
------ST--ST----
Some people however may change the MC-MC to a DMC-DMC, don't worry too much about this as it will not effect the formations provided and would enhance your ball possession.
The 3-2-2-2-1 Butterfly is no longer effective vs the 4-2-2-2 Hexagon
4-5-1V Motivated
-------------ST-----------
AML----------------AMR
-----MC--------MC-------
--------DMC(UP)--------
DL(UP)---DC---DC-----DR(UP)
The 4-5-1V Style Motivated is also another option to use against the 4-2-2-2 formation.
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3-1-4-1-1
DC-DC-DC
DMC
ML-MC-MC-MR
AMC
ST
Countered by:
4-5-1V Style
Orders: defensive mentality, long passing, through the flanks, pressing own half,
force counterattack, zonal marking.
4-5-1 V Style Motivated
DL(Up)-DC-DC-DR(Up)
DMC
MC-MC
AML(Up)-AMR(Up)
ST
Orders: normal mentality, mixed passing, through the flanks, rest remains same.
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4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond
----ST----ST--
------AMC----
----MC--MC---
------DMC-----
DL-DC-DC-DR
The Narrow Diamond is a very effective attacking formation, however the vulnerability of this formation is the lack anything to protect the flanks.
A 4-5-1 V Style formation can take advantage of the flanks of the diamond with an AML and AMR as well as defend against the AMC by using a DMC.
4-5-1 V Style:
---------ST--------
AML---------AMR
-----MC--MC---
------DMC-----
DL-DC-DC-DR
Another variation on countering the narrow diamond would be by using the 4-3-2-1:
4-3-2-1
---------ST-------
AML---------AMR
---MC-MC-MC---
--DL-DC-DC-DR--
Although there is no DMC with the 4-3-2-1 it is still a very effective attacking formation to counter the Diamond with, mainly because of the strong middle as well as having attacking flanks.
If during the match you feel the AMC is taking advantage, then a simple (DOWN) arrow would be placed on the middle MC which in turn effectively would be turning this formation into a 4-5-1 V Style.
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4-3-2-1
--------ST---------
AML---------AMR
---MC-MC-MC----
--DL-DC-DC-DR--
An excellent attacking formation and strong in wing attack..
Can be countered by:
3-2-3-2:
-------ST---ST-----
----MC-MC-MC---
DML---------DMR
----DC-DC-DC----
A logical choice formation to use against the 4-3-2-1.. 3 DC to block 1 lone striker, a DML and DMR to block attacks from the flanks coming from the AML and AMR, 3 midfield to keep control and 2 strikers to go for goal.
3-2-2-2-1:
ST
AML-AMR
MC-MC
DML-DMR
DC-DC-DC
Fight fire with fire, 3 DC again to block a lone striker.. DML and DMR to block the AML's and AMR's which can feed passes up your own AMLs and AMRs to take advantage of the lack of wing defence and one lone striker to go between the 2DC..
There is no such thing as the perfect formation, however you can look for areas exposed in certain formations and take advantage.
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I'm playing against 3-4-3.
I thinking playing like this ( counter and down flanks, red arrows aml/amr , dr/dl ) :
---------ST----------
AML------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC---
----------------------
DL----DC--DC----DR
Is this ok?
or
---------ST----------
AML------------AMR
----MC--MC--MC---
---------DMC-------------
----DC-DC-DC----
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Is that illegal?? And if not,how could i counter him,although he is like 10quality better ^^
I lost 3-0 against this formation in CL:
DL DC DC DR
MC MC
AML AMC AMR
ST
We are playing the second match. I must win. How?
Need some adv..
oppenents formation is =
DL DC DC DR
MC
AMC AMC
ST ST ST
Recommended Formation To Counter it?
THANZ...
Has anyone got the counter for 4-2MC-2AML AMR -2ST HEXAGON yet???
How do you counter a 4-2-3-1 like this:
------ST------
AML--AMC--AMR
----MC---MC----
DL--DC--DC--DR
With attack arrows on DL and DR.
Now we are waiting to get it sticky!
4-1-3-1-1 please help
Too late dont need help with this anymore
This is the big problem in TopEleven game. Teams with centre-based formations as a rule plays better then teams with flank-based formations.
I mean centre formations like 4-3N-3, 4-1-2N-1-2,4-2N-2N(MC)-2 or even 4-1(MC)-2N-3. Flank-based formations are more wastefull.
Hi guys from HORDEUS !!!!!!!!! You must do something with it !!!!!!!!!
Do You think flank-players in football are completely useless ??????!!!!!!!
However try to counter using one of the following ways:
1) If You are better side.
---- DC DC(down) DC ---- (he could use red arrow on his striker so use oine stopper if not remove arrow)
---- DMC(down) ----
---- MC MC ----
AMR ---- ---- AML
ST ST
or
---- DC DC(down) DC ----
---- DMC(down) ----
---- MC MC ----
AMR ---- AMC ---- AML
ST
Attacking style, attack both flanks, no counter, no offside, zonal, team motivated, mixed passing.
2) If he's better side.
---- DC DC(down) DC ----
DMR(up) DMC(down) DML(up)
MR(up) MC ML(up)
----- ---- ---- -----
ST
or
---- DC DC(down) DC ----
DMR(up) DMC(down) DML(up)
----- MC -----
AMR ---- ---- AML
ST
Defonsive style (or try ultradefensive during match), attack both flanks, try counter during match, no offside, zonal marking (or man marking if You've got good defenders - but remove blue arrow on DC and DMC), mixed passing.
I also faced this problem so it should work.
Please let me know the result.
PS Some guys suggest to play 4-2MC-2AMR/L-2ST (hexagon). May be it's right solution - I didn't try...
i play usually 4141 and my flanks are from top scorers
I would like to add 3 different formations that I tend to use (Will not share orders/tactics) :p
4-1-4-1 (Very similar to 4-5-1)
--------- ST ----------
-ML -- MC -- MC -- MR-
--------- DMC ---------
-DL -- DC --- DC -- DR -
3-4-1-2 (Very similar to 3-4-3)
------ST ---- ST -----
--------- AMC --------
-ML -- MC -- MC -- MR-
-DL ----- DC ----- DR-
4-1-2-2-1 (Could be played as 4-2-2-2 as well)
--------- ST ----------
----- AMC -- AMC -----
------ MC -- MC ------
-------- DMC ---------
-DL -- DC --- DC -- DR -
Next season I´m gonna try the 4-1-2-3 ;)
Pls.. need some advice...
the best formation to beat this formation???
DR DC DC DL
DMC
MC MC MC
AMC
ST
thanz....
Help!!! A challenge to you all! I need to beat this Attachment 4303 his quality is 43! Mine is 38,
would this beat it??? Attachment 4304
And what tactics? I'm playing in 90 mins time! Thanks
How to force
3-2-2-2-1
DR--DC--DL
-DMC-DMC-
MR------ML
-AMC-AMC-
----ST-----
If you can place the orders in which position I appreciate add arrows
This is my first season here at Top11 and your tutorials and tips have been very useful since I improved my team and won 16 matches in a row :) However something unexpected and unbelievable happened tonight.
I lost 4-0 against a very ugly team which is penultimate in the ranking.
I played 4-4-2 classic, while his formation was 3-4-3.
I also got two players injured and a red card. I made substitutions and everything I could do but there was no way and
the match was completely dominated by him.
I won the previous match against him with the same result: 4-0!
So the game engine is going crazy or maybe it just happens :(
Just to let you know 4-5-1V style doesn't work against 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond. I have lost many matches using 4-5-1V style against narrow diamond. I also win matches against 4-5-1V styles using narrow diamond. Maybe because of the new engine system?