how to beat 4-4-2 Classic.. VS slightly better quality team?

the guy just bought 3 more scouts and add to his collection of scouts he already bought this season just before i meet him
I always face problems facing 442 even when my team is slightly better
tried 3-2W-2-2W-1 and i $ucked big time in 2 times, although many seem to recommending it
tried 4-4-1-1 didn't worked
tried 451V, not good enough if he put red arrows on his wingers
4-3-2W-1 is just not good enough
4-1-4-1 was a struggle too

what is your best tactics facing a team as good as yours and he watch his matches?
please don't suggest to formations if you played weaker sides or inactive manager .. with a superior squad or 8% less possession is a different story

What do u think about 4-1-3-2 Narrow? do u ever try it? always work well for me ^^

4-1-2-1-2 Wide Diamond always work against classic 4-4-2 for me.

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Originally Posted by shamanik

4-1-2-1-2 Wide Diamond always work against classic 4-4-2 for me.

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I don't know how 4-4-2 diamond can against 4-4-2 c -.-

4-5-1v always works for me against 4-4-2.

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Originally Posted by fadhul17

I don't know how 4-4-2 diamond can against 4-4-2 c -.-

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Try and you will :)

It works with narrow too but I score more goals with the wide in passing by both flank.

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Originally Posted by shamanik

Try and you will :)

It works with narrow too but I score more goals with the wide in passing by both flank.

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The 4-1-2-1-2 wide loses you possession. the narrow doesn't work either. Not anymore.

Butterfly not as effective anymore... the 4-4-2 is proving to be an overpowered formation

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

The 4-1-2-1-2 wide loses you possession. the narrow doesn't work either. Not anymore.

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I don't agree if you play short pass, whole pitch and hard tackles. All my middfielders are strong btw.

why don't you try to play 2 dmc? 4-2-1
(mc)-2(aml&amr)-1.. use normal, counterattack, both flanks, long passing.. red arrows on aml and amr.. If I play against this formation, I always try to force my opponent to make some mistakes..

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Originally Posted by fadhul17

What do u think about 4-1-3-2 Narrow? do u ever try it? always work well for me ^^

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hmm too central .. he bought 2 scouts flanks in past 2 days .. so my guess he will attack my flanks
beside my strongest area in my team is my flanks

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Originally Posted by shamanik

4-1-2-1-2 Wide Diamond always work against classic 4-4-2 for me.

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most of teams with scouts play with it , but again same thing, his flanks are scouts he bought 2 days ago, am sure he will attacking me in both flanks

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

4-5-1v always works for me against 4-4-2.

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that will fit amazingly with my team, i use 4-1-4-1 and switch it to 451V during the match as needed .. i may be tempted tbh.. although more into 4141 as want my wingers to mark his scouts wingers

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

The 4-1-2-1-2 wide loses you possession. the narrow doesn't work either. Not anymore.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

Butterfly not as effective anymore... the 4-4-2 is proving to be an overpowered formation

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i see, i thought am just bad in using them .. happy to know it was not bzc i set it wrongly

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Originally Posted by edisonsage

why don't you try to play 2 dmc? 4-2-1
(mc)-2(aml&amr)-1.. use normal, counterattack, both flanks, long passing.. red arrows on aml and amr.. If I play against this formation, I always try to force my opponent to make some mistakes..

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interesting

hmm try 4-1DMC-2MC-1(aml or amr)-2 ST this is my formation,its mixed between narrow diamond and 451 v style,from biginning this season i use this and 100% won

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Originally Posted by shwanko07

that will fit amazingly with my team, i use 4-1-4-1 and switch it to 451V during the match as needed .. i may be tempted tbh.. although more into 4141 as want my wingers to mark his scouts wingers

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4-5-1V is always the answer vs 4-4-2.
it works for me almost 4 seasons.

Like i already stated in another thread.

Always play a 4-3-3 situation but with some accurate adjustments To have rotating players. Keep it narrow, play midfield. Basically what you have to get is one of your strikers moves into a slight Amc position in defense. Mid Mc into a dmc position and one Dc going over the wing during attack (pref a dc/drc) this way you keep plenty defense against 2 strikers, you have enough power in midfield and enough scoring power in the front but one very important asset is the fact you shut down their wingers.

keep mixed passing. Counter and offside off, zonal marking, attack play, normal tackles, and pass through midfield.

The backs stay as is.

-------st-st-↓st↓-------
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------mc-↓mc↓-mc-----
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--DC---DC---DC---↑DC↑---

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Originally Posted by Mike Slagmolen

Like i already stated in another thread.

Always play a 4-3-3 situation but with some accurate adjustments To have rotating players. Keep it narrow, play midfield. Basically what you have to get is one of your strikers moves into a slight Amc position in defense. Mid Mc into a dmc position and one Dc going over the wing during attack (pref a dc/drc) this way you keep plenty defense against 2 strikers, you have enough power in midfield and enough scoring power in the front but one very important asset is the fact you shut down their wingers.

keep mixed passing. Counter and offside off, zonal marking, attack play, normal tackles, and pass through midfield.

The backs stay as is.

-------st-st-↓st↓-------
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------mc-↓mc↓-mc-----
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--DC---DC---DC---↑DC↑---

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Sounds interesting but what results you got?

I've found 4-1-3w-1-1 to work well for me this season. Throughout the game I either add a red arrow to my amc or a blue arrow to increase possession whether the blue arrow actually helps Im not 100% sure. I also toggle between attacking the flanks and mixed passing. I always have red arrows on my dl,dr,mr,ml. I figure my wide backs Will cutoff his wide attack while supporting my flank attack while ml&r are free to attack.
I have also had good results with the wide diamond believe it or not. WD has been one of the stronger formations this season. I keep reading that 4-2-2-2 hexagon is the formation to beat this season but I tried using it a couple times to see what all the hype was and had no such luck. I have a pretty strong team and toyed with 3w in the back quite a bit and was surprised to see great results although I assumed it would leave me exposed. 3w-1-3w-1-2 has been pretty effective. The guy in 1st place in m y league swears by it and has only lost one game all season(to yours truly). Love this site guys. Keep up the good work

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Originally Posted by BMD23

I've found 4-1-3w-1-1 to work well for me this season. Throughout the game I either add a red arrow to my amc or a blue arrow to increase possession whether the blue arrow actually helps Im not 100% sure. I also toggle between attacking the flanks and mixed passing. I always have red arrows on my dl,dr,mr,ml. I figure my wide backs Will cutoff his wide attack while supporting my flank attack while ml&r are free to attack.
I have also had good results with the wide diamond believe it or not. WD has been one of the stronger formations this season. I keep reading that 4-2-2-2 hexagon is the formation to beat this season but I tried using it a couple times to see what all the hype was and had no such luck. I have a pretty strong team and toyed with 3w in the back quite a bit and was surprised to see great results although I assumed it would leave me exposed. 3w-1-3w-1-2 has been pretty effective. The guy in 1st place in m y league swears by it and has only lost one game all season(to yours truly). Love this site guys. Keep up the good work

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This guy is right.
I had a great result against 4-4-2 playing 4-1-3W-1-1.

Made it to the CL final just an hour ago, thanks for sharing!

My 4-4-2, which has helped me to a comfortable first place position, was just CRUSHED by a slightly lesser opponent by a score of 1-7. I was the away team playing against a slightly lesser opponent (86.8 v 86.4).

He played a 4-4-1-1. My settings were Defensive with Counter-attacks.

I wonder if the game settings have just been changed?

A major caveat here too, I was down 3-1 when I picked up a red card but still at the time I was getting killed in score and statistically (possession, shots, etc.). So maybe there isn't enough data here and it was just a fluke where the computer randomly gave him goals on his first few shots.

My comfortable 6 point lead is now down to 3 with 3 games to go.

You can also try a 4-4-2 classic

If he's supposed to attack on flank, just put blu arrows on ML/MR and red on MC.

This way you'll defend with a 4-2(DMx)-2-2 and attack with a 4-3-1-2

Finally I've tried the 4-1-3w-1-1.

Not bad for a Cup final. Really not bad :rolleyes:

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Quality of the starting formations: 66,7 (him) vs 67,1 (me)

ohhh I hate the 4-4-2 -.-''''' alwais problems... and the 4-1-4-1 too xD only can do something with the same 4-4-2... but next matches I will try something new.... a 3-1-5-1 .....or 3-5-1-1 xDDD

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khris let us know if you find a decent counter, I have given up and so they just get 4 4 2 right back at 'em.....

3-1-3w-2-1. Blue Arrows on ML & MR. Attacking throw middle, Mixed passes.

-----GK-------
--DC-DC-DC--
-----DMC-----
MR---MC---ML
---AMC-AMC--
------ST------

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4-1-3w-1-1. First defense after a missed goal - attack, Focus passing - mixed,Mixed passes.
Opponent Lukasz
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Tell me how I should play the second leg in the cup?
Opp - 20, me - 23.

each strategy has a particular strength, you studied

My two cents: I played twice against very similar quality player, this season and these comments will be based on them.

The first game: Match was in his grounds and both of us were in the game. I sticked to 4-1-3N-2 and won confidently, basically thrashed him statistics-wise.
The second game: Match was in my grounds and both of us were watching the game. I started out as 4-1-2-1-2 ND, playing attacking mentality through the middle, with no arrows. He was doing better than me, but didn't have anything more than a single 1-on-1 in the first half and a number of unsuccessful corners. I switched to 4-5-1 V-Style late into the second half, attacking mentality, down both flanks, red arrows on AMs, counter-attack. Stats changed to my favor and I had a number of corners, run through flanks, shoots from distance in last 20 mins since I did the change, while he had complete "nothing". Neither of us was able to score and it ended draw. Man of the match was his goalkeeper! I guess I would have won, if I changed to 4-5-1 V-Style a little sooner, but all those rumors regarding inefficiency of this formation added a lot of hesitation.

P.S. Both of us are very good defense-wise and have a quality goalkeeper.
P.P.S. If I would play against a strong 4-4-2 again, I would still start with Narrow Diamond (conservative) and change to V-Style (risky but efficient), but a lot sooner.

4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond with proper command can win always... try it once... u will feel it easy to counter 442...really easy.. believe me.. :)

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Originally Posted by Taifur A'zeez Khan

4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond with proper command can win always... try it once... u will feel it easy to counter 442...really easy.. believe me.. :)

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And what is the right command?

One thing I've noted after playing 4-1-2-1-2 Narrow Diamond against 4-4-2 Classic, is that I get very low rating (in 4-6 range) for my DMC, who is a very decent defensive-minded player. 2 DCs versus his 2 STs and he has no players in the AM line, so seemingly DMC doesn't see much of the ball and is pretty much useless here?! Probably 4-3N-1-2 would be more logical against 4-4-2 Classic? Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Олександр Копиця

4-1-3w-1-1. First defense after a missed goal - attack, Focus passing - mixed,Mixed passes.
Opponent Lukasz
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Tell me how I should play the second leg in the cup?
Opp - 20, me - 23.

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I played a match.
I started 4-5-1 М style and missed the goal, I changed tactics to 4-2-2-2 and a super attack and scored two goals - that's me completely arranged.

--DR--DC----DC--DL--
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------MC-----MC-----
AMR--------------AML
------ST-----ST

This is how I usually beat 4-4-2

DR---- DC------DC----DC-
------DMC-----DMC-------
-------MC------MC--------
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--------ST------ST--------

Attacking
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Focus passes down the middle.

Always win by quite a margin. Since I started using this formation, I havent lost against anyone using 4-4-2

i had success with 4-1-3w-1-1 using short passes and also by 4-1-3n-2 the main thing is to use the middle line through 4-4-2 as it leaves a full gap through the middle

I usually beat a 4-4-2 formation with this formation:

http://www7.pic-upload.de/29.03.14/xiw67ptr83b1.png

good idea works for me also ;)

orders pistolero ??

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

4-5-1v always works for me against 4-4-2.

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if his put red arrow on mr and ml what orders can i use??