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sdw Training and... 05-19-2013, 05:11 PM
Royal Lions How u would counter a... 05-19-2013, 06:43 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v 05-19-2013, 11:01 PM
Christiantrinh Well done sdw!!! agree most... 05-19-2013, 11:04 PM
Fazil Great,, 05-19-2013, 11:39 PM
shwanko07 please make it sticky in... 05-20-2013, 01:11 AM
reddeviljohn Great thread man! 05-20-2013, 08:44 AM
fadhul17 Welcome back sdw :) 05-20-2013, 08:50 AM
Michael Unonk what do u think to counter... 05-20-2013, 01:39 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style or 4-4-1-1 05-20-2013, 06:06 PM
Marchelo1988 You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an... 05-20-2013, 01:42 PM
sdw 4-3-2-1 is effective... 05-20-2013, 06:05 PM
Marchelo1988 So, against the 4-4-2... 05-21-2013, 10:53 AM
Marchelo1988 I ended up using the 4-3-2-1... 05-22-2013, 08:39 PM
Lasike Hi do you think that is there... 05-31-2013, 04:24 PM
hullabaloo thanks for this thread man! ... 06-02-2013, 10:52 AM
sdw Dont know man.I always beat... 06-05-2013, 09:37 AM
Cicoba Treytes Ibr What do you think about man... 04-01-2014, 11:22 AM
Kameltreiber What what you suggest against... 05-20-2013, 05:38 PM
sdw It depends how he uses the... 05-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Kameltreiber Thanks!! Played 1:1 which is... 05-20-2013, 07:40 PM
FRANNY FC great thread my friend! i was... 05-20-2013, 06:32 PM
sdw 4-3n-1-2 is not good tactic... 05-20-2013, 09:49 PM
Fazil Hi sdw Need your suggestion... 05-20-2013, 06:37 PM
sdw For first : your tactic is... 05-20-2013, 09:52 PM
Fazil Thanks 05-21-2013, 04:43 AM
Fazil 3-N-1DMC-3-N 2AML/AMR-1ST. ... 05-21-2013, 05:10 AM
Master Tactician Very good post. Clears out... 05-21-2013, 12:14 AM
sdw Maybe it depends from the... 05-21-2013, 01:46 AM
Master Tactician A widely used order in real... 05-21-2013, 02:12 AM
Der Panzer Thanks sdw, so useful thread... 05-21-2013, 06:43 AM
Floridian Great thread, i already... 05-21-2013, 05:20 PM
Baric31 Best formation against... 05-21-2013, 06:08 PM
Abu Ubaid Any idea on how to... 05-21-2013, 07:54 PM
Vercetti How to beat... 05-22-2013, 04:08 PM
essokimo 4222 hexagon i win against it... 05-22-2013, 04:18 PM
essokimo what about 43N3N how to... 05-22-2013, 04:19 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style.Once I defeated... 05-25-2013, 10:03 AM
haiclassic This formation, I've lost... 05-25-2013, 10:59 AM
sdw I've lost the same two days... 05-25-2013, 11:17 AM
Stretch them In your opening post, at some... 05-25-2013, 06:36 PM
essokimo how to win against 3232 .i... 05-26-2013, 07:36 AM
Kameltreiber Sdw: you forgot to write... 05-26-2013, 09:17 AM
sdw Own half.When you have... 05-26-2013, 05:39 PM
ahmadowskianaya sdw thank u alot,really nice... 05-26-2013, 09:18 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style is counter... 05-29-2013, 04:50 PM
ahmadowskianaya i used 442ND and i make later... 05-29-2013, 10:48 PM
wanboo237 i am using Butterfly... 05-27-2013, 02:14 AM
sdw Press your own half,mixed... 05-29-2013, 04:52 PM
Armin Bib thanks for your article 05-30-2013, 12:52 AM
Pegasus FC Hi sdw, Thanks for the... 05-30-2013, 02:09 AM
sdw First formation : This... 05-30-2013, 11:24 AM
ahmadowskianaya sdw i have another important... 05-30-2013, 12:18 PM
sdw Dont use 451V.There is no... 05-30-2013, 12:27 PM
ahmadowskianaya 3DC's?and he have strong... 05-30-2013, 01:13 PM
ahmadowskianaya what about 4-1-3N-2?:) 05-30-2013, 01:15 PM
sdw Butterfly - 3 DC,DML and... 05-30-2013, 01:21 PM
LesterMind Great job. Using your... 05-30-2013, 04:05 PM
Master Tactician i think that the main... 05-30-2013, 09:15 PM
sdw Reverse tactics are not the... 05-31-2013, 07:30 PM
LesterMind Yes, but if the opponent has... 05-31-2013, 07:43 PM
sdw My tip : never use 3 ST.This... 05-31-2013, 07:49 PM
Pedro Felipe Oliveira Guys. I have a decisive... 05-30-2013, 05:23 PM
misterr Hi guys ! I also have a... 05-31-2013, 10:01 AM
sdw This is very weak formation... 05-31-2013, 07:24 PM
Radu Nedelcu how can i beat 4-3W-1-2 ... 05-31-2013, 04:51 PM
sdw No,you'll stop his attack but... 05-31-2013, 07:23 PM
Betova14 What orders to counter... 05-03-2015, 05:21 PM
crystynel how can i beat... 06-05-2013, 11:38 AM
sdw Hardly,cuz he's more stronger... 06-05-2013, 03:17 PM
Stretch them How would you counter a maple... 06-05-2013, 03:41 PM
sdw Dont use AML and AMR because... 06-05-2013, 04:09 PM
Stretch them Thank you. Is 4-3-3 also a... 06-05-2013, 06:53 PM
sdw Yes it's good idea. 06-06-2013, 10:05 AM
crystynel please help me against this... 06-05-2013, 05:36 PM
sdw Strange formation.May you... 06-06-2013, 10:06 AM
crystynel yes.. he has ML and he doesnt... 06-06-2013, 10:29 AM
sdw Just put the MR as AMR... 06-06-2013, 10:32 AM
crystynel ok . .thank you very much and... 06-06-2013, 10:35 AM
sdw You can use... 06-06-2013, 10:54 AM
Craig Simmonds I played before and got to... 06-06-2013, 09:04 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v 06-07-2013, 03:39 PM
Wiesse HELP NEEDED how can i counter... 06-07-2013, 05:34 PM
Pegasus FC Hi sdw, Any tips against... 06-08-2013, 07:32 PM
ahmadowskianaya hello sdw, what u think about... 06-08-2013, 09:36 PM
LMN Hey sdw, I want your opinion... 06-09-2013, 05:21 PM
toding What about 4-1-3 (mc)-2 for... 06-10-2013, 10:20 AM
kanoukeisuke16 what do u think to counter... 06-10-2013, 11:14 AM
Dicky Taruna Tedja nice ONE sdw... now im trying... 06-10-2013, 02:35 PM
Marcio David Nice guide bro.. I need your... 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM
Kameltreiber What do you mean by "however... 06-11-2013, 11:07 AM
sdw It means with red arrows.It... 06-12-2013, 04:33 PM
Tung Nam Tran can you help me to go against... 06-13-2013, 03:22 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v style formation,down... 06-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Tung Nam Tran that was what I did and lost... 06-14-2013, 12:13 AM
Wiesse try next time the 4-1-2-1-2... 08-11-2013, 10:09 PM
ahmadowskianaya hello again,in ur topic about... 06-15-2013, 09:17 PM
Radu Nedelcu how can i beat 4-2MC-3W(AM)-1 06-16-2013, 07:50 AM
sdw I'll be glad to see my thread... 06-29-2013, 02:36 PM
ppturano what do u think to counter 3N... 07-02-2013, 01:22 AM
ahmadowskianaya hello sdw,i have important... 07-05-2013, 01:54 PM
sdw I think,mapple leaf.With two... 07-05-2013, 02:45 PM
saydos12 good job thanks 07-07-2013, 04:44 PM
Kenny Jee I have 2 very important... 08-12-2013, 09:42 AM
BMD23 love the information in this... 08-12-2013, 06:06 PM
sdw Play the same.In fact you... 08-13-2013, 04:37 AM
Jacobus Carvallo hi,... need suggestion how... 08-21-2013, 11:51 PM
Jacobus Carvallo Hi SDW... need suggestion how... 08-21-2013, 11:53 PM
Mohamed Sultan Try 3-1-4-2. Attacking, down... 08-22-2013, 01:03 AM
sdw If you read my post you'll... 08-22-2013, 09:36 AM
weipin89 How u would counter a... 08-23-2013, 02:33 AM
sdw 4-5-1 V style formation. 08-23-2013, 09:08 AM
blazer2704 Thanks alot just an amazing... 08-27-2013, 09:34 PM
Luis Leal I'm playing a stronger... 08-28-2013, 02:50 PM
djpitt Need help to counter this: ... 09-03-2013, 11:41 AM
crsbrwn2000 Checked the first post, you... 09-11-2013, 09:43 AM
HULIANO His team 12148 My team... 09-12-2013, 06:13 PM
dqb really nice post! what i kind... 02-21-2014, 02:05 PM
Sng Kwang Peng How abt if the opp plays 4... 02-21-2014, 03:01 PM
shakiraa Hi sdw, how about tactic... 02-22-2014, 02:52 PM
Peter Ngan Hi sdw, Need your... 02-24-2014, 12:50 AM
Peter Ngan any thought? 5-3-2 defensive? 02-25-2014, 05:03 AM
Mantas How to beat 4-3w-1-2? 02-24-2014, 07:37 PM
Sxrenity Labas Mantas :) I'd use... 02-24-2014, 08:59 PM
akjells But if our opponent is not... 02-26-2014, 11:48 AM
Sxrenity Yes, if the opponent doesn't... 02-26-2014, 02:43 PM
Betova14 What do you suggest to... 03-29-2014, 06:51 PM
zh1vk0 How to beat 4-3N-3 ? 04-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Xenomorph hi man, thanks for the thread... 05-11-2014, 06:50 AM
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    Butterfly - 3 DC,DML and DMR,2 MC's,AML and AMR,one ST.Attack him from the flanks.He doesn't have chances even he's more stronger than you.4-1-3N-2 is the easiest formation to counter.

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    Great job.

    Using your phillosophy about counter formations, I am trying to imagine which formation would be more effective to fight against next formation.....

    DR---DC---DL
    -----DMC----
    MR---MC---ML
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ------ST-----


    (reverse)

    ------ST------
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ML---MC---MR
    -----DMC-----
    DL---DC---DR
    (-----GK-----)

    Maybe it can be called a (christmas) tree.

    Allways supossing could be using attacking arrows for middlewings.

    Any suggestion from you?
    My suggestion trying to use your phillosphy as I understand, could be next ones...
    having not any MR and not any DMR at my list players (I have for the others positions)

    with 3 strikers...

    --ST-ST-ST--
    --------------
    ---MC--MC---
    ---DMC-DMC-
    DL---DC---DR

    with red arrows for wingsbacks?

    or better...

    with 2 strikers

    ---ST---ST--
    --AMC-AMC--
    -----MC-----
    --DMC-DMC--
    DR---DC---DL

    and again red arrows?

    or...

    ---ST---ST---
    --------------
    ML---MC---(MR) (dont have MR but may be using it excepcionally)
    --DMC-DMC---
    --DC-DC-DC--


    red arrows for middelwingers?

    or just enought 1 st with 2 amc maybe like this...

    ------ST------
    --AMC--AMC--
    ML---MC---(MR)
    --DMC--DMC--
    --DC-DC-DC-- (or DL---DC---DR)

    red arrows at middlewingers?

    Some of these looks like a tree as well.

    Thank you if still are answering at this thread.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by LesterMind; 05-30-2013 at 04:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterMind View Post
    Great job.

    Using your phillosophy about counter formations, I am trying to imagine which formation would be more effective to fight against next formation.....

    DR---DC---DL
    -----DMC----
    MR---MC---ML
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ------ST-----


    (reverse)

    ------ST------
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ML---MC---MR
    -----DMC-----
    DL---DC---DR
    (-----GK-----)

    Maybe it can be called a (christmas) tree.

    Allways supossing could be using attacking arrows for middlewings.

    Any suggestion from you?
    My suggestion trying to use your phillosphy as I understand, could be next ones...
    having not any MR and not any DMR at my list players (I have for the others positions)

    with 3 strikers...

    --ST-ST-ST--
    --------------
    ---MC--MC---
    ---DMC-DMC-
    DL---DC---DR

    with red arrows for wingsbacks?

    or better...

    with 2 strikers

    ---ST---ST--
    --AMC-AMC--
    -----MC-----
    --DMC-DMC--
    DR---DC---DL

    and again red arrows?

    or...

    ---ST---ST---
    --------------
    ML---MC---(MR) (dont have MR but may be using it excepcionally)
    --DMC-DMC---
    --DC-DC-DC--


    red arrows for middelwingers?

    or just enought 1 st with 2 amc maybe like this...

    ------ST------
    --AMC--AMC--
    ML---MC---(MR)
    --DMC--DMC--
    --DC-DC-DC-- (or DL---DC---DR)

    red arrows at middlewingers?

    Some of these looks like a tree as well.

    Thank you if still are answering at this thread.

    Cheers.
    i think that the main weakness is the wide defensive line. Therefore I would go 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 or 4-2-3-1 (narrow AMs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterMind View Post
    Great job.

    Using your phillosophy about counter formations, I am trying to imagine which formation would be more effective to fight against next formation.....

    DR---DC---DL
    -----DMC----
    MR---MC---ML
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ------ST-----


    (reverse)

    ------ST------
    ---AMC-AMC--
    ML---MC---MR
    -----DMC-----
    DL---DC---DR
    (-----GK-----)

    Maybe it can be called a (christmas) tree.

    Allways supossing could be using attacking arrows for middlewings.

    Any suggestion from you?
    My suggestion trying to use your phillosphy as I understand, could be next ones...
    having not any MR and not any DMR at my list players (I have for the others positions)

    with 3 strikers...

    --ST-ST-ST--
    --------------
    ---MC--MC---
    ---DMC-DMC-
    DL---DC---DR

    with red arrows for wingsbacks?

    or better...

    with 2 strikers

    ---ST---ST--
    --AMC-AMC--
    -----MC-----
    --DMC-DMC--
    DR---DC---DL

    and again red arrows?

    or...

    ---ST---ST---
    --------------
    ML---MC---(MR) (dont have MR but may be using it excepcionally)
    --DMC-DMC---
    --DC-DC-DC--


    red arrows for middelwingers?

    or just enought 1 st with 2 amc maybe like this...

    ------ST------
    --AMC--AMC--
    ML---MC---(MR)
    --DMC--DMC--
    --DC-DC-DC-- (or DL---DC---DR)

    red arrows at middlewingers?

    Some of these looks like a tree as well.

    Thank you if still are answering at this thread.

    Cheers.
    Reverse tactics are not the countering formations.If he has strong DMC,why you put AMC?Put AML and AMR.The philosofy is to fill your defense according to his attack and use your attack according to his holes in the defense.For an example : he has strong DMC,your AMC is not necessary.He doesn't have DL and DR,so use AML and AMR.Or for an example in the defense : he has strong AMC,always use DMC in that case.Or he has AML and AMR.Use DL and DR without arrows or blue arrows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdw View Post
    Reverse tactics are not the countering formations.If he has strong DMC,why you put AMC?Put AML and AMR.The philosofy is to fill your defense according to his attack and use your attack according to his holes in the defense.For an example : he has strong DMC,your AMC is not necessary.He doesn't have DL and DR,so use AML and AMR.Or for an example in the defense : he has strong AMC,always use DMC in that case.Or he has AML and AMR.Use DL and DR without arrows or blue arrows.

    Yes, but if the opponent has DR and DL (as the example I was asking) and just 1DC but with 1DMC... then...? 2 or 3 ST? and any AMs...??

    I think 3 ST with some kind of wings like ML and MR could be very effective to fight against the example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterMind View Post
    Yes, but if the opponent has DR and DL (as the example I was asking) and just 1DC but with 1DMC... then...? 2 or 3 ST? and any AMs...??

    I think 3 ST with some kind of wings like ML and MR could be very effective to fight against the example.
    My tip : never use 3 ST.This will make your formation in the middle weaker and he'll gain ball possession.If he has only one DC use 2 ST.If he use DL,DC,DR,DMC you can have 2 ST and good midfield like ML,MC,MC,MR.4-4-2 is good against this.
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