similar type of game to T11?

[BigB79]

One man's great suggestion is another man's reason for quitting. Even when it seems 'everyone agrees' it is usually very misleading, because the 'everyone' that you're talking about is usually:

a) Only the people who use the forum
b) Only the people who care about the issue enough to shout loudly on that particular thread and
c) Assumes that these people know what's good for the game, or even what factors contribute to their own enjoyment (this is a discussion in itself)

I have played literally dozens of MMRPGS in my time and have seen several take a significant turn for the worse when the devs made a change that 'everybody' asked for.

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco, the current system is quite clearly a major flaw in the game so what do nordeus do? Start a thread asking the players how they want friendly requests to work but then ignore everyone and come up with changes that don't really make much difference and then take an absolute age to implement them.

I've said it before T11 has the potential to be a great game, possibly to be one of the best ive played in my 20 years of playing football manager games, it's just a shame nordeus can't get their finger out and run the game properly and fix what are quite clearly major flaws.

[Razz]

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco, the current system is quite clearly a major flaw in the game so what do nordeus do? Start a thread asking the players how they want friendly requests to work but then ignore everyone and come up with changes that don't really make much difference and then take an absolute age to implement them.

I've said it before T11 has the potential to be a great game, possibly to be one of the best ive played in my 20 years of playing football manager games, it's just a shame nordeus can't get their finger out and run the game properly and fix what are quite clearly major flaws.

1. What makes you think that the ones who scream loudest are their "most loyal and dedicated customers."??

2. Last I checked they scrapped the other friendly system and plan to introduce asymmetric friendlies, which is probably the best suggestion put forward by ... umm ... the people on this forum ...

3. Nobody has suggested a better football app ... so either T11 is pretty good, or everyone who has found that better football app is gone and hasn't told anyone here about it ...

[Piemaster]

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Well yes... and no. If by 'listening' you mean keep their finger on the pulse about their customers' opinion on various issues and taking that into account when making decisions, then yes absolutely, that is a thing that successful companies should be doing. If by 'listening' you mean implementing any change that the majority of the people who shout the loudest seem to think is a good idea, then no, absolutely not.

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco

That seems like a reasonable place to start. You think it is broke. Several other people think that it's broke. I don't like it much either. Seems like an ideal opportunity to make a good change to me. Okay, so let's go beyond that. What else did Magic3 list as things that 'everyone agrees' need to be changed.

less injuries to be more realistic

Woah wait a sec, I don't agree with that. I think the injury level is pretty realistic as it is. In fact, you would probably have to increase injuries in some regards to make it genuinely realistic. You may not agree with this, you don't have to, it's a moot point. The fact is that the assertion that 'everyone agrees' on certain things is often a complete myth. Lots of people complain about injuries. Some other people have said that they think injuries are fine as they are. These people tend to get shouted down and ridiculed when they speak up, which makes them less inclined to speak up and gives the illusion of some kind of 'consensus' when none exists. Maybe there are people out there that like the friendly system as it is. Or maybe there aren't. I certainly wouldn't pretend to speak for everybody when I express my dislike of it, only myself.

[magic3]

Woah wait a sec, I don't agree with that. I think the injury level is pretty realistic as it is. In fact, you would probably have to increase injuries in some regards to make it genuinely realistic.

In what regards? Medium stretching causing more than a broken leg or the number of injuries in a single game to be more than 3?

I was taking your opinions with a grain of salt before, now it's with a truckload of salt.

[Piemaster]

In what regards? Medium stretching causing more than a broken leg or the number of injuries in a single game to be more than 3?

I was taking your opinions with a grain of salt before, now it's with a truckload of salt.

You don't have to agree with my opinions. I don't have to agree with yours. That was the exact point of my post.

[magic3]

You don't have to agree with my opinions. I don't have to agree with yours. That was the exact point of my post.

I am just trying to understand someone saying "In fact, you would probably have to increase injuries in some regards to make it genuinely realistic." Maybe you have not played long enough to see these injuries, frequency, length, etc. I never thought anyone would say that on this forum.