similar type of game to T11?

[Piemaster]

Yes, however that has nothing to do with this game. Why? Because the regular top 11 players would not leave the game if Nordeus implemented things like: no friendlies unless the other person agrees to it, less injuries to be more realistic, no 15 minutes between the games, introduce players <18 years old, generate few more 5* players for the highest level managers on the servers, and many other great suggestions we have heard over time from the forum members..

One man's great suggestion is another man's reason for quitting. Even when it seems 'everyone agrees' it is usually very misleading, because the 'everyone' that you're talking about is usually:

a) Only the people who use the forum
b) Only the people who care about the issue enough to shout loudly on that particular thread and
c) Assumes that these people know what's good for the game, or even what factors contribute to their own enjoyment (this is a discussion in itself)

I have played literally dozens of MMRPGS in my time and have seen several take a significant turn for the worse when the devs made a change that 'everybody' asked for.

[BigB79]

None of them are good, except for football manager but they have a different strategy obviously with up-front cost and nothing after that.. I haven't tried FM on a mobile phone, it's around 7 Euros I think, i would be interested in what people thought of that version of the game..

Save your money. If you play FM on your computer/laptop you will be disappointed with the mobile version. I've been playing FM since the start of championship manager and the mobile version is a bit of a let down.

[klasan]

FTM..looks stupid at start but its a cool manager

[BigB79]

Yes, however that has nothing to do with this game. Why? Because the regular top 11 players would not leave the game if Nordeus implemented things like: no friendlies unless the other person agrees to it, less injuries to be more realistic, no 15 minutes between the games, introduce players <18 years old, generate few more 5* players for the highest level managers on the servers, and many other great suggestions we have heard over time from the forum members..

Surely the easy thing to do would be to have a poll on this forum or facebook and ask the players what changes they want and if there is a large majority of people wanting it then it will get done.

For example there are 2 or 3 suggestions for the friendly requests mess. Why not have a poll and if there is a clear winning suggestion then that change will be implemented?

[cracicot]

Surely the easy thing to do would be to have a poll on this forum or facebook and ask the players what changes they want and if there is a large majority of people wanting it then it will get done.

For example there are 2 or 3 suggestions for the friendly requests mess. Why not have a poll and if there is a clear winning suggestion then that change will be implemented?

because this has been done ad nauseum and management fails to take any improvements into account unless it makes them money.

Friendlies cost us green, red and blue packs and that means that people will buy more tokens to replace them.
Injuries cost us red packs and tokens as we sometimes have to sell and buy other players if the injuries are longer than 5 days and we dont have red packs to heal.
scheduling issues cost us tokens as they constantly schedule games within 15 mins of each other...

ya get the point? they dont listen unless the idea makes them money. Polls are good for us to see how the game is affecting others, but there are never more than 20-30 people that take the poll (lol, read that again!) so its falling on deaf ears.

[Jack Random]

I've bought FM 2013 handheld, for 9 euro's. It's ok, but I'm not wild about it, so far. But that may be because my team is very inconsistent... I've also played OSM (Online Soccer Manager), but it has the oddity that after one season you have to pick a new team, so you can't build and grow players; it's more about gathering manager points.

[Keith Gaule]

I've tried most other offerings out there. But they fail in different areas. As does T11. I wish they would up their game a little/a lot! Make it more detailed, stuff like individual orders for players, a much better market, allow messaging between friends, maybe add in a simple live game engine ... then it would rock! For now though, it's still the best 'free' manager game out there. It'll cost you to really go far in it, and I would rather an upfront general fee to make it fair for all. But, in this day and age, in-app is how it is.

I have been tempted to buy FM for the ipad/iphone, but couldn't see it being near as detailed. I will be buying FM 14 for the PC, I skipped on it last year.

[BigB79]

One man's great suggestion is another man's reason for quitting. Even when it seems 'everyone agrees' it is usually very misleading, because the 'everyone' that you're talking about is usually:

a) Only the people who use the forum
b) Only the people who care about the issue enough to shout loudly on that particular thread and
c) Assumes that these people know what's good for the game, or even what factors contribute to their own enjoyment (this is a discussion in itself)

I have played literally dozens of MMRPGS in my time and have seen several take a significant turn for the worse when the devs made a change that 'everybody' asked for.

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco, the current system is quite clearly a major flaw in the game so what do nordeus do? Start a thread asking the players how they want friendly requests to work but then ignore everyone and come up with changes that don't really make much difference and then take an absolute age to implement them.

I've said it before T11 has the potential to be a great game, possibly to be one of the best ive played in my 20 years of playing football manager games, it's just a shame nordeus can't get their finger out and run the game properly and fix what are quite clearly major flaws.

[Razz]

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco, the current system is quite clearly a major flaw in the game so what do nordeus do? Start a thread asking the players how they want friendly requests to work but then ignore everyone and come up with changes that don't really make much difference and then take an absolute age to implement them.

I've said it before T11 has the potential to be a great game, possibly to be one of the best ive played in my 20 years of playing football manager games, it's just a shame nordeus can't get their finger out and run the game properly and fix what are quite clearly major flaws.

1. What makes you think that the ones who scream loudest are their "most loyal and dedicated customers."??

2. Last I checked they scrapped the other friendly system and plan to introduce asymmetric friendlies, which is probably the best suggestion put forward by ... umm ... the people on this forum ...

3. Nobody has suggested a better football app ... so either T11 is pretty good, or everyone who has found that better football app is gone and hasn't told anyone here about it ...

[Piemaster]

But surely the 'everyone' that you describe is the people that Nordeus should be listening to since they are clearly so into the game that they go to the bother of being on the forum and to actually complain about things. Surely a business should listen to it's most loyal and dedicated customers?

Well yes... and no. If by 'listening' you mean keep their finger on the pulse about their customers' opinion on various issues and taking that into account when making decisions, then yes absolutely, that is a thing that successful companies should be doing. If by 'listening' you mean implementing any change that the majority of the people who shout the loudest seem to think is a good idea, then no, absolutely not.

Im not saying that every suggestions that is made should be implemented but, for example take the whole friendly requests fiasco

That seems like a reasonable place to start. You think it is broke. Several other people think that it's broke. I don't like it much either. Seems like an ideal opportunity to make a good change to me. Okay, so let's go beyond that. What else did Magic3 list as things that 'everyone agrees' need to be changed.

less injuries to be more realistic

Woah wait a sec, I don't agree with that. I think the injury level is pretty realistic as it is. In fact, you would probably have to increase injuries in some regards to make it genuinely realistic. You may not agree with this, you don't have to, it's a moot point. The fact is that the assertion that 'everyone agrees' on certain things is often a complete myth. Lots of people complain about injuries. Some other people have said that they think injuries are fine as they are. These people tend to get shouted down and ridiculed when they speak up, which makes them less inclined to speak up and gives the illusion of some kind of 'consensus' when none exists. Maybe there are people out there that like the friendly system as it is. Or maybe there aren't. I certainly wouldn't pretend to speak for everybody when I express my dislike of it, only myself.