are players match ratings random?

After my post yesterday ive now got another laugh that is my players match ratings.

I bought a scout player at the start of the season. He is a CM and ive only played him in his proper position and ive kept his condition and more up high and ive given him a good run in the team but, after 20 games his average rating is 5.0!!!

So today I was playing a far weaker team in the league and won 9-0 with my scout CM scoring 1 and assisting on 1 so I thought he must get a good rating today.....nope he gets a 6!!!! I had 4 sevens and 6 eights with my other players!!!!

Anybody got an explanation? I don't expect to spend money buying tokens just to waste 50 of them on this!!!!

No, they are not random. However you do get some players who consistently get low ratings and that's just how the game works. Different players will have different ratings. You should probably sell that player because an average rating of 5.0 is really poor and not worth being in the team.

I guess there is one hidden attribute called "Talent". Lower talented player gets low rating, while usually high rated players have high talent...

hahaha...i have two players one is my DMC who consistently at rating 4 or 5 in every match.....regardless whether he score or assist.....i just sold him....another one is my GK....i still keeping him for at least till next season....and please im not complaining here...just to share ok....

From my experience GK, DMC and MC often get poor grades. I would wait to see how he performs early in the next season before selling him.

Sell him. I have a 18yr old DMR/MR. He couldnt get a rating above 7 no matter what ( Average was 5 ). Prime example was an 11-0 thrasing in which he got a hatrick and 4 assits, and got a rating of 7. The other 10 people all got 8-9 rating. That player scored a fair few goals for me, but i eventually sold him because in the games id need him to play well he didnt, some games he was getting rated 4. Got 1.5m for him, bought a new player, who so far has not gotten below a 8.

I keep putting my players with low ratings if they are good and ratings change. I guess ratings are totally random and totally NOT useful. Only atrezzo.

I dont think there are hidden atributes. All the oposite. I guess there are some atributes and factors which arent important. Atrezzo. But that is what i guess because there arent any clue about that from Nordeus.

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Originally Posted by dv8r

No, they are not random. However you do get some players who consistently get low ratings and that's just how the game works. Different players will have different ratings. You should probably sell that player because an average rating of 5.0 is really poor and not worth being in the team.

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The reason im asking if they are random is because to get a rating of 6 when he scored and set up another goal in 9-0 win surely isn't right?

I know I should sell him as this has happened before but I thought I would see if it would change as I would expect alot better from a 6* player!!!

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Originally Posted by magic3

From my experience GK, DMC and MC often get poor grades. I would wait to see how he performs early in the next season before selling him.

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I find the same. Ive never had a really good CM in 11 seasons and although my GK started well this season he now gets 5's and 6's. The game today he kept a clean sheet and yet got a 5 while the opposition GK got a 5 and his 2 centre halves got 8's and they lost 9 goals!!!

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Originally Posted by dv8r

No, they are not random. However you do get some players who consistently get low ratings and that's just how the game works. Different players will have different ratings. You should probably sell that player because an average rating of 5.0 is really poor and not worth being in the team.

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Yes, but this is an objective rating given by the game engine itself. How can it possibly know which player had a bad game and why?

Is it based on touches, passes completed %, shots, goals, assists, tackles or all of the above? It would be nice for the devs to publish the system of grading the players performance so we have some understanding.

But heyyyyyyyy, that would be asking too much it seems, since they barely explain anything else in their game.

I am tired of complaining about certain aspects of the game. What Nordeus should do it show some goodwill instead of greed and start to explain why things happen and how they happen. I dont need the game code to be happy about this game, I just want a better understanding of it and to know how it works so I can play it better.

The management team needs a good kick in the ass in order for this to happen, because any other company does this and they start to lose customers and eventually go out of business. I can only hope that someone takes over the company and fixes this game.

I find also the MC/DMC and GK slots are the lower ratings, I just had a GK get an 8 in a win and I about fell over.....usually they get six I'm happy. My GK spend a lot of time doing nothing though, so maybe that's it on their rating. But the MC that score & assist and get a six I do not understand one iota.

I feel it is becoz my MC dribbler Ayuk recently scored 2 and assisted 2 in a 7-0 thrashing and got a rating of 6. My striker scored 2 and assisted nil and got a rating of 8. Plus Ayuk's both goals were his own and were not assisted. Neither did he miss any chance in the match. So maybe it is just random. Also it maybe that a player doesn't get much of the ball in the match so he gets low rating. But in that case a player usually gets 6. 5 is too low. Rarely does any player in my team get that. Maybe a couple of times a season.

I do not even care about that, because it is very dificult to understand, for me i only care with the MAM of the match, since that means an Extra SP. If the moral go down i take care of that with a blue bag.

What SP has your scouted player got and what position does he play? Was it a fullback with playmaking SP?

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Originally Posted by TimYoung

What SP has your scouted player got and what position does he play? Was it a fullback with playmaking SP?

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He is a CM with dribbler. Why?

So just played a game, a win gave me the title, a draw would give me 2 points gap with 1 to play, a loss would put me only 1 point ahead. I was fairly confident, the dude plays 6 gk's and 4 st's and a dc. Not a single player in the correct position. So i put out my strongest team, 9Q difference, held to a 0-0 draw. 75-25 possession. Not sure how i can be held to a draw by him.... Now my last game of the season is vs an opponent who i failed to beat at home earlier.

I just dont get it this season my team has been one of the strongest ive seen. Yet i see my friends winning their league with 12q teams, while ym 23q team, lost the cup final, got eliminated in the last 16 of the cl by a massivly inferior opponent, and ive been chasing the league since day one vs a team who is 6 quality less but seems to have no problem never loosing.



* Not a single one of my players got over 6 rating. And thats kind of pathetic with full morale and fully fit, and with 6 of them averaging over 8 a game, its dam right embarrassing.

oh, nevermind. I am guessing certain SP makes a player plays badly if for wrong position. Wasnt looking at dribbling tho. I always thought dribbling are more for wingers.

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Originally Posted by BigB79

I find the same. Ive never had a really good CM in 11 seasons and although my GK started well this season he now gets 5's and 6's. The game today he kept a clean sheet and yet got a 5 while the opposition GK got a 5 and his 2 centre halves got 8's and they lost 9 goals!!!

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I think what it is , and i have experieced the same , is if you win by a large margin and keep a clean sheet ,your gk will always get a low rating. This is because he has NOT had anything to do in the match and has not been tested.....so how can he be given a high score ? I also find as I progress up the levels in T11 that if i win by a large score and keep a clean sheet the gk's moral decreases as well...just purely i think because he is not getting involved in the match....

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Originally Posted by The Red Baron

I think what it is , and i have experieced the same , is if you win by a large margin and keep a clean sheet ,your gk will always get a low rating. This is because he has NOT had anything to do in the match and has not been tested.....so how can he be given a high score ? I also find as I progress up the levels in T11 that if i win by a large score and keep a clean sheet the gk's moral decreases as well...just purely i think because he is not getting involved in the match....

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yes, this is what i noticed too. apart of that any other rating has no logic at all though. I hava dml that scored 9 in 13 matches and he never goes above 5

What matters for GKs' rating is the number of saves they do. A GK with 4-5 saves will probably get an 8-9 while a GK with no saves will receive a 5-6. (This is assuming you don't set the gk to kick FKs, CKs or penalties so to get goals and assists)
For the rest of the players what is taken into account is tackling, intercepting, scoring, assisting etc. The more "active" they are in the match script, the better rating they will receive. Particularly for mcs orders have a big impact to their "script activity". ex. Attacking down both flanks usually results in a low rating for the central mc (if you use one).
Receiving yellow card(s) means -1 or -2 rating. A direct red could result in -2 or even -3 rating.

p.s. This is all based on my personal experience

That certainly tallies with my experience, it seems no matter what I do my GK is twiddling his thumbs. But I also don't know how to make my DMCs happier, do they want arrows? I have been trying to play with no arrows for awhile since I have all positions.

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Originally Posted by Cat Harrison

That certainly tallies with my experience, it seems no matter what I do my GK is twiddling his thumbs. But I also don't know how to make my DMCs happier, do they want arrows? I have been trying to play with no arrows for awhile since I have all positions.

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One thing I can say for DMCs is that when you play ND through middle and you use red arrows on the DMC, he tends to score a lot with long shots which results in good rating. They probably need to be a bit balanced on stats for this to happen, though.

Well, since I play ND on a blue moon, this is interesting. :)

Mine are pretty balanced. I don't know, I have learned to be happy with a 6 from them.

In my main team I had them OOP until them told me which other role they would like to learn...
but on my little teams I just wind up putting them wherever I feel like on the field and hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by BigB79

After my post yesterday ive now got another laugh that is my players match ratings.

I bought a scout player at the start of the season. He is a CM and ive only played him in his proper position and ive kept his condition and more up high and ive given him a good run in the team but, after 20 games his average rating is 5.0!!!

So today I was playing a far weaker team in the league and won 9-0 with my scout CM scoring 1 and assisting on 1 so I thought he must get a good rating today.....nope he gets a 6!!!! I had 4 sevens and 6 eights with my other players!!!!

Anybody got an explanation? I don't expect to spend money buying tokens just to waste 50 of them on this!!!!

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Do you understand you have a logic error here?
If the rating is random then your CM Scout will have 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 random scores.
Since you write he always get low rates then it is not random at all, the opposite :-)
got it ?

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Originally Posted by hod

Do you understand you have a logic error here?
If the rating is random then your CM Scout will have 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 random scores.
Since you write he always get low rates then it is not random at all, the opposite :-)
got it ?

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I have taken a quick look at morale and have found that nobody knows what the criteria are for assigning numbers for form after the game. What I do know is that your morale will go down daily if your form is 7 or less, for the most part. it will barely go up if you get an 8 and you need a 9 to guarantee that your morale actually goes up.

But that is only one aspect of form. I have not seen anyone, forum member or Nordeus Dev/rep, admit to knowing how form and/or morale actually works yet. AND I can guarantee you that Nordeus will continue to remain silent on how their game works and how to play it better.

I dont think this game is structured/complicated enough for morale/form to be anything but a form of randomness. Think about it: the game engine locks the game 3 mins before it starts so it can produce its matrix of results. During that time it determines what results can happen based on all the numbers presented by both teams. THEY SAY that you can influence the results based on your decisions during the game, whether that happens is up for debate, but regardless, after the game, your form is calculated and presented.

The question after the result is published, is how does the game engine decide which players had good games or bad games. I mentioned this in another post: does it calculate it based on passes completed, shots, goals, assists, etc, or is it just a number it assigns, because most of the time, the form is illogical.

Everyone can say that the GK didnt do enough to warrant a good rating if you win handily, but a GK can still have good form and play well even if he only has 2 shots against him. The whole point is that the GK keeps a clean sheet and if he produces a few good saves, it should be worth at least an 8.

The problem is not the game as much as it is the devs for programming it like this. There is no rhyme or reason for many things in this game that the game engine produces, and form/morale is just one of those things that needs explaining from Nordeus.

EDIT: after re-reading this, I would speculate that the amount of influence that each player has on the game to produce the results determines what form is assigned to each player.

Example: scoring goals/assists and how many times a players name is mentioned, MIGHT give you a favourable form rating more often.

Just a theory.....

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Originally Posted by hod

Do you understand you have a logic error here?
If the rating is random then your CM Scout will have 3-4-5-6-7-8-9 random scores.
Since you write he always get low rates then it is not random at all, the opposite :-)
got it ?

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When I mean random I mean have nothing to do with how the player actually played. He scores a goal and assists another in a 9-0 win but he gets a 6?!!! Explain why that would be? Especially when the rest of the team got good ratings.

I tried one day to think how much programming is needed to create a real 'smart' game that consider any aspect of the game and make it as real as possible.
At the end i realized that no one can make it like a real game because a real game is not a computer game.
In real life you are talking about humans with feelings, about momentum about newspaper with gossip and headlines and many extra things that influence the game.
So it doesn't really matter what are the criteria for the rates because like in real life you cannot expect the unexpected.

do you get me?

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Originally Posted by hod

I tried one day to think how much programming is needed to create a real 'smart' game that consider any aspect of the game and make it as real as possible.
At the end i realized that no one can make it like a real game because a real game is not a computer game.
In real life you are talking about humans with feelings, about momentum about newspaper with gossip and headlines and many extra things that influence the game.
So it doesn't really matter what are the criteria for the rates because like in real life you cannot expect the unexpected.

do you get me?

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nope. it matters in this game because this is what we are playing and talking about, not real life. this is a game that is programmed to do what the programmers program it to do, so it shouldnt be doing anything that is unexpected. They, the devs, have programmed the moral, form, condition etc, and they have their reasons for doing it, but they dont let us know why things work as they do so we can properly play this game.

yes, this game has no players with feelings, that is hardly expected in this game although some people tend to give this game more credit than it deserves.

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Originally Posted by hod

I tried one day to think how much programming is needed to create a real 'smart' game that consider any aspect of the game and make it as real as possible.
At the end i realized that no one can make it like a real game because a real game is not a computer game.
In real life you are talking about humans with feelings, about momentum about newspaper with gossip and headlines and many extra things that influence the game.
So it doesn't really matter what are the criteria for the rates because like in real life you cannot expect the unexpected.

do you get me?

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Noone is expecting this game to mirror real life 100%, its impossible.

What we do expect is the devs to fix major flaws in the game. For example the stupid friendly system, that doesn't need major programming. It also doesn't take major programming to know that if a player scores a goal and gets an assist in a 9-0 win while the rest of his teammates get 7 and 8 ratings he should get a better rating than a 6!!!!

Do you get me?

Decided to cut my loses on this CM today and put him on the transfer list for £30m. He cost me £31m and 50 tokens but he had to go.

Only thing now is I feel sorry for whoever bought him. I didn't see the auction but he sold for £52.6m!!!!! Someone has used a **** load of tokens and paid way over the odds for him!!!!

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Originally Posted by BigB79

Decided to cut my loses on this CM today and put him on the transfer list for £30m. He cost me £31m and 50 tokens but he had to go.

Only thing now is I feel sorry for whoever bought him. I didn't see the auction but he sold for £52.6m!!!!! Someone has used a **** load of tokens and paid way over the odds for him!!!!

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It doesnt necessarily mean that he will play poor there, too bad Nordeus doesn't make it easier for us to keep track of the players..

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Originally Posted by magic3

It doesnt necessarily mean that he will play poor there, too bad Nordeus doesn't make it easier for us to keep track of the players..

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That would be way beyond Nordeus' capabilities!!!!! They can't even fix the friendly request crap!!!!!