but it goes Narrowly wide?????

So with 30 min to go, I am up 7-0 to a team playing an illegal formation.

I cant count how many times it says "but it goes narrowly wide!"

REALLY???

Its not like my team is taking its foot off the gas or anything...its 7-0!!!!

So it gets to a certain score and all of a sudden my team cant shoot straight???

Believe me, I want 20-0!

Not only that, but my GK got a 6 rating! He made one save and the other team made NONE!
Of course he played a 5* DR in the GK position, which explains the score to a point, but I had 22 shots, with 14 on target and 7 went in. His "DR" better get a rating of 1 if my GK got a rating of 6.

Who the f!@k set up this stupid f!@king rating system anyways? I know its a way to make people waste blue boosters for morale, but seriously, someone at Nordeus needs to man-up and explain the system so we can better understand why our best players have a good game and get a suck-ass rating!!!

This was an observation that has a vent, yes, but it was not started with the intention of venting....it just morphed into something like it.

The highest score I've ever won against an "inactive team" in a friendly match was 15-0. And yea, believe me there were a lot of "but it goes narrowly wide!". I think it should be 20-0.....

Cracicot... you love venting, stop pretending like you don't. :p

Nonetheless, most of the time, there's much merit to your venting, no doubt. : ) I do agree with your post, I've had STs that scores 3 goals in a match, and yet get a bad rating...
I simply can't understand why on earth they refuse to explain these sort of things. It can't be just laziness, surely.

Obviously, there's something else, but I don't buy their lame excuse about making the game more unpredictable this way, and ultimately, more fun by discovering things on our own. Major problem with that is, we can NEVER be sure of anything...

If Nordeous are keeping quiet on things it is because they are arbitrarily decided in the game engine. i.e there is no actual science to it. But if they were to come out and say this... I think we know there would be a 'few' unhappy people...

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Originally Posted by kebess

Cracicot... you love venting, stop pretending like you don't. :p

Nonetheless, most of the time, there's much merit to your venting, no doubt. : ) I do agree with your post, I've had STs that scores 3 goals in a match, and yet get a bad rating...
I simply can't understand why on earth they refuse to explain these sort of things. It can't be just laziness, surely.

Obviously, there's something else, but I don't buy their lame excuse about making the game more unpredictable this way, and ultimately, more fun by discovering things on our own. Major problem with that is, we can NEVER be sure of anything...

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Where did you read this??? they formally and really said this somewhere??? It makes it MORE unpredictable and fun? There is an amount of fun you can have discovering things, but the problem is that there is no consistency, so it makes confirming discoveries almost impossible.

Laziness, greed, incompetence, ignorance and just plain bad business. That sums up Nordeus. Am I missing a few?

And yes, I like to vent but usually it is for a reason. And I usually make it more of a discussion than an outright vent. Otherwise they all go into the garbage bin called the vent thread.

The most annoying thing for me is when a team gets a corner and then get another corner from that, they always score from that 2nd corner.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Where did you read this??? they formally and really said this somewhere??? It makes it MORE unpredictable and fun?

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Ask the Devs - January 2013 Answers - Top Eleven be a Football Manager

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Can the developers release a clear explanation of all aspects of formations and tactics?

There is no “best” strategy you should play. Your team’s strategy should suit your team, the ability of your players, your next opponent and many other factors. An important part of the game is discovering and understanding which tactics and formations are best suited for each opponent you face, and for this reason we leave it to managers to figure them out by themselves.

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Well, they didn't use the words "fun" and "unpredictable", but that's what they are saying, all in all.

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Originally Posted by kebess

Ask the Devs - January 2013 Answers - Top Eleven be a Football Manager



Well, they didn't use the works "fun" and "unpredictable", but that's what they are saying, all in all.

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Actually the second part of your post has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It states that tactics and formations are for us to figure out, not the other, more confusing aspects of the game where information is usually given by almost every other game.

The more I think of this, the more I get pissed off at management, not as much at the devs because they are just doing what they are told. It is their decision to hold off on giving ANY information on the game and for that they are the cause of my ire.

Mainly because of this GEM from the ask the devs(lol):

Q: When will managers be able to stop unwanted friendlies and the only way a friendly can go ahead is if both managers agree?

A: We’re trying to figure out a solution for the unwanted friendlies issue, but we don’t think that waiting for approval to be able to play a friendly is an appropriate one.

REALLY? Waiting for approval is NOT an appropriate solution for friendlies????????????????????????????

Since when is forcing a friendly on someone actually appropriate???????????????

Now you see why I like the game but hate the people running it. And I use the term 'like' because there is nothing to love about this game.

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Actually the second part of your post has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

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Well, I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It really has everything to do with it (provided you understand the educated assumption I made).

They are clearly saying that NOT telling us about how formation and tactics work is important for the game. "Important" meaning, it would improve people experience of the game in the long run.
The fact we don't know most things, makes the game unpredictable, right ? (and also very annoying often, agreed)

And so if it's supposed to improve our experience of the game, then ultimately it's supposed to be "fun". That's really how I got there. Hope it's clearer, : )

And I do believe this doesn't only apply to formation and tactics... if the question was "Can the developers release a clear explanation of all aspects of ratings ?"

Their answer would have been exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Since when is forcing a friendly on someone actually appropriate???????????????

Now you see why I like the game but hate the people running it. And I use the term 'like' because there is nothing to love about this game.

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I know right ? These guys have obvious issues with logical thinking...

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Originally Posted by cracicot

So with 30 min to go, I am up 7-0 to a team playing an illegal formation.

I cant count how many times it says "but it goes narrowly wide!"

REALLY???

Its not like my team is taking its foot off the gas or anything...its 7-0!!!!

So it gets to a certain score and all of a sudden my team cant shoot straight???

Believe me, I want 20-0!

Not only that, but my GK got a 6 rating! He made one save and the other team made NONE!
Of course he played a 5* DR in the GK position, which explains the score to a point, but I had 22 shots, with 14 on target and 7 went in. His "DR" better get a rating of 1 if my GK got a rating of 6.

Who the f!@k set up this stupid f!@king rating system anyways? I know its a way to make people waste blue boosters for morale, but seriously, someone at Nordeus needs to man-up and explain the system so we can better understand why our best players have a good game and get a suck-ass rating!!!

This was an observation that has a vent, yes, but it was not started with the intention of venting....it just morphed into something like it.

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Your players need contact lenses ;)

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Originally Posted by kebess

Well, I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It really has everything to do with it (provided you understand the educated assumption I made).

They are clearly saying that NOT telling us about how formation and tactics work is important for the game. "Important" meaning, it would improve people experience of the game in the long run.
The fact we don't know most things, makes the game unpredictable, right ? (and also very annoying often, agreed)

And so if it's supposed to improve our experience of the game, then ultimately it's supposed to be "fun". That's really how I got there. Hope it's clearer, : )

And I do believe this doesn't only apply to formation and tactics... if the question was "Can the developers release a clear explanation of all aspects of ratings ?"

Their answer would have been exactly the same.

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At the end of the day, formations and tactics get put in a different category of instructions than the rest of the game. I can understand they cant give answers as to formations and tactics as they should vary based on your opponent, but the rest of the game, such as morale and ratings, injuries etc, dont have much to do with opponents and more to do with managerial and troll engine decisions. That is how I divide them. So I would still say what they mention is not relevent to this particular topic.

Regardless of their intention, it is clear to me that they dont give a **** about giving out any information on this game. And when they do, its **** we already know. Look at the article they put out a while ago about Special Abilities. They have not given us ANY new information about this game that will improve gameplay. I dont know what their reasons for this are, but I can only speculate that they dont really care -----> look at my quote from their own "ask the devs" where they say waiting for approval is not the appropriate way to fix this issue - it is clear from that quote that they have only one thing on their minds = profit. We all know why they like friendlies: injuries and work out players = red and green boosters respectively.

And I remember reading somewhere that they are thinking of making friendlies where your players dont actually get injured, lose condition, or gain skill. If that is their "plan A" solution to this issue, I am all for it. I could give a **** if 35 people forced unwanted friendlies on me if it meant f!@k-all in terms of injuries and condition. Go ahead, friendly with me until you are sick with silliness, but only if that is their solution. Otherwise the ONLY other solution to this issue is to allow a manager to deny an incoming friendly BEFORE it is played.

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Originally Posted by kebess

if the question was "Can the developers release a clear explanation of all aspects of ratings ?"

Their answer would have been exactly the same.

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I disagree completely. They would have come up with some lame excuse that its too complicated for our mortal minds to even imagine.
I agree with their explanation that formation and tactics are all depending on your opponent, but what I dont like about it is that they dont ever explain ORDERS. I believe a forum member came up with the tutorial on orders. If someone has the official word on ORDERS from Nordeus, then please post here. If they were to explain them, formally, then we would be able to play this game properly and not have to guess what they mean. Most of them are obvious, but we dont know the real difference between attacking and hard attacking - does it put everyone forward a notch, including the GK on corners? What exactly does it do? I dont want a forum member telling me what they do, I want a Dev or management to tell me. I would love an official instruction manual, published by Nordeus. Do you know how many questions would be answered, how many posts would disappear?

anyways, I just get carried away because of the condescending attitude shown by Nordeus towards their "customers".

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Originally Posted by dv8r

Your players need contact lenses ;)

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Don't say that loud, Nordeus might add that to their shop for X Tolkens :cool:

They can afford laser surgery. I did. what they need is a few human sacrifices...I know where we can start....

i`v only been narrowly wide twice with wife and ended up with two teenage daughter`s, still love um even though they have made me go bald :) one day i`l hit and bingo :)

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Originally Posted by cracicot

At the end of the day, formations and tactics get put in a different category of instructions than the rest of the game. I can understand they cant give answers as to formations and tactics as they should vary based on your opponent, but the rest of the game, such as morale and ratings, injuries etc, dont have much to do with opponents and more to do with managerial and troll engine decisions. That is how I divide them. So I would still say what they mention is not relevent to this particular topic.

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IMO, they shouldn't. There's a simple way here to have a general guide on formation and tactics, that will help you to manage your team against any opponent. That's really what was asked in the question.

An example is, they could explain to us, what do arrows really do? Or how do players affect their surrounding area on the pitch ? Do a player affect an opponent player "diagonal" to his position, just like one right in front of him? Or right in his back? How does possession and different stats work in a match ? Just so we can answer question like, how can an opponent only have 20% possession and yet have more passes, more corners, etc... than me? I could go on with those questions, and they are all part of formation and tactics.
And most of them can be answered just with a simple guide, explaining a bit more how the game works.

There's no difference between this type of info and other concerning rating, morale, etc... at the end of the day, they all go in the same bucket, as they contribute in how well you do on the pitch.

Sure, rating, morale, condition, etc... could be more straightforwards, but not necessarily harder to grasp, or explain, and so there shouldn't be any significant distinction between them. They are all part of one bigger thing called "management".

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And I remember reading somewhere that they are thinking of making friendlies where your players dont actually get injured, lose condition, or gain skill. If that is their "plan A" solution to this issue, I am all for it. I could give a **** if 35 people forced unwanted friendlies on me if it meant f!@k-all in terms of injuries and condition. Go ahead, friendly with me until you are sick with silliness, but only if that is their solution.

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That would be nice. I play Football Champions as well, and that's exactly how friendlies work in that game, and everyone is happy with that, : )

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I disagree completely. They would have come up with some lame excuse that its too complicated for our mortal minds to even imagine.
I agree with their explanation that formation and tactics are all depending on your opponent, but what I dont like about it is that they dont ever explain ORDERS.

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Well, I guess it's really a matter of opinion, : )
If one sees Formation, tactics, rating, morale, and all the rest, as part of one same thing, necessary to better your game as much as possible on the pitch, then, their answer should ALWAYS be the same as the one concerning Formations and tactics, since the rest are really only different parts of one bigger thing, which isn't hard or tedious to explain if you actually "know" the answers.

I could write myself, a very clear and simple guide about Formation, Tactic, and all the other stuff, if I actually "had" the info about how they work.
You don't have to tell people how they have to manage every single match... that's not what I'm asking, and on that, I agree totally with you -- it would be a waste of time and an impossible task.
However, you can tell them the rules (like those examples I gave above; how arrows works, player influence on the pitch, etc...) And there's really nothing complicated to that bit.

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anyways, I just get carried away because of the condescending attitude shown by Nordeus towards their "customers".

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No worries there, : ) I can understand totally ! It's very much like talking to a very stubborn tree.

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Originally Posted by usher_LFC

The most annoying thing for me is when a team gets a corner and then get another corner from that, they always score from that 2nd corner.

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You r absolutely right. Always!!!

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Originally Posted by Saransh Vatsa

You r absolutely right. Always!!!

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Ummm, I wish that was the case. I would be winning more games if that were actually true.

Oh wow, such a thread again.

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Oh wow, such a thread again.

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Amazing contribution to such a thread....again!

How DO you DO it????

Have you created a tutorial on how to troll a thread yet? Based on what you just did, you are getting to be quite the expert! ;)

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Oh wow, such a thread again.

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Amazing contribution to such a thread....again!

How DO you DO it????

Have you created a tutorial on how to troll a thread yet? Based on what you just did, you are getting to be quite the expert! ;)


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Loved the post so much I had to post it twice

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The most annoying thing for me is when a team gets a corner and then get another corner from that, they always score from that 2nd corner.

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I thought that was the case but in my match yesterday, the header from the 2nd corner was saved. Made for a pissed off manager.

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Originally Posted by cracicot

Actually the second part of your post has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It states that tactics and formations are for us to figure out, not the other, more confusing aspects of the game where information is usually given by almost every other game.

The more I think of this, the more I get pissed off at management, not as much at the devs because they are just doing what they are told. It is their decision to hold off on giving ANY information on the game and for that they are the cause of my ire.

Mainly because of this GEM from the ask the devs(lol):

Q: When will managers be able to stop unwanted friendlies and the only way a friendly can go ahead is if both managers agree?

A: We’re trying to figure out a solution for the unwanted friendlies issue, but we don’t think that waiting for approval to be able to play a friendly is an appropriate one.

REALLY? Waiting for approval is NOT an appropriate solution for friendlies????????????????????????????

Since when is forcing a friendly on someone actually appropriate???????????????

Now you see why I like the game but hate the people running it. And I use the term 'like' because there is nothing to love about this game.

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Its currently friendly rape! Don't which is ironic due to the lack of friendliness. I don't think ive ever went on T11, seen someone has played me in a friendly and though "that was nice of them". The friendly issue should be resolved asap, purely so I don't have to see people moaning about it constantly lol

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I thought that was the case but in my match yesterday, the header from the 2nd corner was saved. Made for a pissed off manager.

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I think they may have changed this as I got 2 corners in a row and my striker missed, also have seen my keeper save one aswell