don't fight people it's just a game do whatever you want to simple .
don't fight people it's just a game do whatever you want to simple .
Yes, I take it as a game, so that's why I don't want to spend money buying tokens just to get a better chance of winning what I want to win. I guess it pissed off some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by roni
yep, agreed with roni here
the only time i dont agree with that is when teammates kill other teammates, but this isnt that kind of game
i havent tanked, hell id probably be too bored and end up not logging in for a month. if i dont make CL that means i can play friendlies with myself at a MUCH more convenient time, not in the giggity way
the last match I played with 7th team . I had to win to be the 7th but I lost 1-2 :( so sadQuote:
Originally Posted by ThichDaBongFC
delete all friends the same level with you. it make your league too difficults.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuocBao
No, I have alot of lower Q, same level friends in the same server but I dont know why I was on that leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by tongly45
My lv1 team lost the last match and from 5th it ended up 8th. :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by QuocBao
With all respect, if you do not buy tokens, how on earth are you able to sell off all your players and replace them with 3* quality players and then proceed to sell those again and buy 5* on the edge of 6* players again on the day of the cup draw?Quote:
Originally Posted by HULIANO
if he does some surrvey get some video. they have 100 tk a season. it's easy with 100 tk to do so. just choose a good periodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Killerbee
@QuocBao: one of your friends is friends of all this accounts. kill him.
This is codswollop! You do not automatically lose because you have a worse team on paper. As quoted by Nordeus "Tactics can overcome any team, even those teams that are of much higher quality" and i agree - The amount of times i have beaten higher opposition by altering tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saransh Vatsa
For instance I once played a level 8 team when i was level 3 and her team was so much better and she was top of the league and hadn't lost all season. I noticed she played 3 up front but only 3 at the back and played very narrow (through the middle) so i switched to 5 at the back, playing down the flanks and forced counter attacks. I won 5-1. I am a strong believer of moving things around to suit your circumstances.
quality show the your team weak or strong not your levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Symons
However you do automatically lose if you have nothing to play for. During the season, you're struggling and find yourself in 7th, what's the point in getting promoted and not getting any Champions League out of it? On top of that, all players will lose a star and you'll find yourself even weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Symons
Tanking is a strategy in this game. Forget real life aspects because this game reflects nothing of the sort. That's how people want to play their game then that's fine. It's not breaking any rules, I'm not getting another account to give me free points every season and win the league. It's done within the confines of the game so I can't see why this is an ongoing argument. It's no different to me power training players and winning the league by 25 points every season...
agree, the goal of league and champions league to find the best team in the same level. who invest more time or money or have a better knowdledge in tactics win.Quote:
Originally Posted by dv8r
i don't bother to the one who tanking for get better next season in the league, only for the one use the skp to have better draw in the cup. it ruins the game esprit.
I wouldn't say it's "tanking" to get a better cup draw. That still comes under cup manipulation. Because i can easily do that without "tanking".Quote:
Originally Posted by tongly45
Except that it's really not plausible. He is selling a potential 22 players, replacing them with at least 14 bought players and then getting another 11 good players on top that he will use to compete with.Quote:
Originally Posted by tongly45
So he has to buy a minimum of 25 players, 11 being really good ones. On top he has to buy the 11 really good ones within a few hours before his first cup match, so has to face potential/very likely bidding wars. If you want to do this, those tokens ain't gonna get you through.
Also, there are plenty of people who can gain 0 tokens from videos and surveys who still manage to win cups without buying tokens. I don't mind regular tanking at all to catch up, but getting rid of all your players for an easy cup draw is just lame and doesn't earn any of my respect when glancing at his signature trophy cabinet.
nope. as this kind of strategy. he iss 19Q better than what he started. in the worst case his opponent is 10Q below him. he need only 11 player and 3-4 sub only. he can keep the 6-8 place there by even 1* player (sometimes lower than 1*, kept them from his academy) and he need only buy 8-6 crappyQuote:
Originally Posted by Killerbee
in total, he has 20 tranfers a season. 100TK is really enough as he doesn't need to do it from the first day. he can buy only 5 player 5* the 1st day (50TK) but the 14 player after he spent no more than 50TK. that is how this plan work
The key is to back out of any potential bidding wars. I am always there when the first day of a new season starts to buy players. I do not buy all 5-star players on the first day. I buy 4-star players also and play defensively to get me good results in CL group stage, free 3-star players so I can resell later for money also. Usually when the first day just starts, there are less people bidding on players than later. After the first week, the heat of bidding wars cool off and I will buy the rest of 5-star players. I often spend max 3-4 tokens to get a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerbee
For the tokens, I can get close to 100 tokens by watching videos, installing software, and doing surveys because I live in North America. There may be plenty of people winning the Cup without gaining 0 tokens from videos and surveys. It can be true, but it also depends on the server on which you're on. I am on an active and competitive one, so many buy scouts and power train also.
It's all about timing and patience to buy players without wasting hard-earned tokens. Just FYI, and I play it that way for fun because it's just a game anyway, so you can save your respect and there's no need to mention it because I don't know you so I don't really care about that respect :D Peace out!
We all play for fun, that's the entire point of a non-profit game, so you can play it however you want to. When you put your trophy cabinet in your signature with a ':p' below it though, it's clear that you're somehow proud of it and want others to acknowledge your 'achievements'. I'm just saying that knowing you got all those cups by bottomfeeding, the signature is laughable to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HULIANO
Glad you don't need any 'respect', cause you won't get it :o. Not that anyone should get any in this fickle game though.
':p' indeed means I am somehow proud of it because I can get those Cups without spending real money as many token-buyers do just to get the cup. Honestly, when you look at anyone's achievements with that so many Cups, it means either he/she is a constant token-buyers or the one that sell his/her whole team off at the end of very season. About the respect, it is different from the achievements in my viewpoint. The point is that if token-buyers can power train their players to get better chance to win the Cup, I can do it the other way without spending real money. All gives the same result that you have better chance to face lower-quality teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerbee
If I cared about the respect associated with those achievements, then I would not have told you guys about what I had been doing to get those Cups. Moreover, you already said I did not earn any respect from you. So of course, I knew I wouldn't get that respect from you. I am not that dumb, so you had to repeat it twice while I clearly said I didn't care about it in my first reply to your post.
I just play it this way in this sub-account because I don't add any friends. In my main account, I haven't actually won any Cup because I do not sell my players, so my team, most of the time is just past-6 star, then I normally face teams 2-3 levels above me.
I don't take the game seriously, so I play it that way just to make me feel better of not winning any cup in the main account which I play with my friends. That's why I don't see the point of bashing me by saying not giving me respect because I don't really care about it. I come to this forum usually to help out people who ask about tactics and info of the game and learn things I do not know. I see no point of arguing about how people want to play their game.
If I piss some token-buyer off because of those Cups I've won in this sub-account, then I am really sorry because I just want to make a point across that you don't have to spend money to win those Cups, because the stronger team you get the better team you will face and you will have to spend more money to power train.
If anyone think that a weaker team is beaten by a stronger, token-buying team, is fairer than that a weaker team is beaten by a stronger, non-token-buying tanking team, then well I have nothing to comment. About the spirit of the Cup, I don't give a damn about it. Not everyone is in a easy server, what if you're in a server that your 5-star team will always face teams with higher levels and get beaten right at the first round. I do not see much chance for that team to win the Cup. The Cup is inherently unfair all the time, so there's no such spirit. Assuming the spirit of the game to win the Cup not so easily, then well by facing teams like my sub-account, anyone cheering for that spirit can enjoy the game to the maximum extent because someday eventually that person can win the Cup by beating much stronger teams 1-3 levels above.
@Huliano
we all know that token buyer and the one whose keep all his team at the end of season are disavantage.
there ís noway that a token buyer can train his team more than 5Q a season. 5Q is great but it isn't unbeatable even you don't improve your team. if you are 35T team, 5Q is very easy that you can buy new player. in your case 20Q. i'm sorry, you are ruinning the game and the only thing you can proud here is you found a mistake in game engine. Nordeus need to fix it.
First steps of Nordeus should be relegation from league and decreasing fans and money after relegation/stream of bad results. This is a biggest mistake. Why do not just tank for 10 seasons and later then demolish every opponent in every league?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JanCz
not agree. One tanks to be between the 8th and the 14th clasificated, so the 8th clasificated have to be relegated? ahhh and, you don't think in one "thing", a little BIG detail, and is that, if you are relegated, the last day of the season, you can buy "scouts" before to be relegated to a low league!!!
so, all the players that think that tank is cheating, and teams have to be relegated... what are you thinking???? what do you use to think??? ...-.-''''' you know nothing of the game, you talk to talk, without knoweldage, because be relegated been the 8th will be a better option than be in the same level during another season, for the reason I mentioned,,, will be more easy win leagues if you can buy scouts from a +1 level league...
and what will you do if relegation comes to the game like you suggest??? you will come here? to say, ohhh, I am level 8, and my league is full of relegated level 9 teams that are full of scouts of 7*....
think first, be water my friend.
so, not agree. and noobs that talk about relegation have to know what I've said, because I see thet here nobody is thinking that this can happen...
Lol 5Q (I assumed you meant 5 stars here) isn't unbeatable, but if you face a cup of many 7-9 star teams every single season as I do with my main account, then it is nearly impossible to win the Cup with my 5 star team.Quote:
Originally Posted by tongly45
As I said, I am somehow proud of the Cups that I've won without spending real money as other token-buying managers are trying to achieve also. It can be interpreted as the way you said "found a mistake in game engine" to achieve the same result. Ruining the game or not, it's not a big deal to me because I've already experienced losing to power-trained, token-buying higher-level teams so many times already.
If I am ruining the game, then power-trained, token-buying teams are also ruining the game because both have the same implications that we all want a team that dominates our opponents by either exploiting the game loopholes or spending real money , creating an inherently unfair game. So for me I don't see any difference.
The only way Nordeus can fix it and make it fair is to eliminate all the buying features with real money except for club kits and logo, and put all teams with the same level in all 3 competitions.
Well, I will stop here no more post in this thread simply because you possess a very strong sense of justice and fairness in this game which I unfortunately do not have and so cannot share with you. Sorry for ruining the game, but just being optimistic, token-buying power-training managers and I (in this sub-account) are just creating a more challenging game for weaker teams as I am also experiencing myself in my main account.
Why do people continue to talk about relegation!?! - For the one thousandth time "It wouldn't work!".Quote:
Originally Posted by JanCz
Why don,t nordeus change the system ,fair play means fair play ,seems to me its the developers who have let eveyone down, Money,Money,Money.......!
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First off, tanking is not cheating as much as buying tokens is cheating. You cant be hypocritical and call one of them cheating and not both.
Second, relegation would work = you gain a star just like you lose a star when you get promoted. Just like in the big leagues, when you get relegated you get the parachute payments that help to keep the higher paid players you signed for the top league = you go down and still have the better players = so it would work marc symons. I would like to hear why you say it wouldnt work. they have 100 people working for them apparently, they can make the programming and structure work. the problem is that people might get relegated to win the league they missed the season before. but again , how is that different from buying tokens to win a league? one situation is spending money to win a league (tokens) and the other is spending time.
what grinds my gears are the ignorants screaming that tanking is cheating. they should be screaming that buying tokens is cheating. I recently learned what tanking is and will gladly do it next season to keep my guys strong. it is not cheating, it is usuing an advantage that is given to you. it costs you time and ingame money but at least you can compete with the token byers.
huliano was right, stop allowing people to increase their players with tokens to make it fair. they wont do this for money reasons so until they do that, we need some way to compete better.
HINT: Read back posts before posting - 80% of your 'rant' makes no sense. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but here it is one last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rastaman70
Relegation: So you say that a team should GAIN a star when relegated?. If relegation was an option this is obviously how it would work, however losing a star does not change the quality of the team. It simply adjusts the star ranking according to the level upgrade. So if you were relegated you would lose a star yet your team would still be of the same quality. Therefore like i said earlier you could effectively have teams with 60 quality getting relegated over and over all the way down to a league/level where teams of 20 quality are playing. This is what would happen - people would intentionally get relegated in order to dominate leagues and it would be very unfair and off putting to lower ranked teams/newbies to be playing against teams they have no chance of beating.
Tanking vs Tokens - Your statement about Token buying being as much 'cheating' as tankning is probably the most dumb thing i have read in my time at this forum. In fact i feel a little stupider after reading it. People may not like it but you NEED tokens to play this game and in REAL football there are teams with lots of money who can improve there squad to high levels, as there is also poorer teams that cannot afford to buy top players. The same counts in Top eleven, tere are players with lost of real money that buy tokens to improve there squad and there are players that cant afford or simply choose not to buy tokens. (See the resemblance there)
Tanking on the other hand is a player intentionally losing/throwing matches in order to rig competition draws and have a better chance of winning the next year. In REAL football if a team was to tank (Intentionally lose matches/throw matches) it WOULD be cheating and would result in major fines and even a team being thrown out of the league. (See the resemblance there)
Therefore token buying is obviously not cheating - It is a feature programmed into the game by the developers.
Tanking is cheating and apart from it being cheating it is unethical as Top Eleven is all about competition and who wants to play against teams that throw matches? Tankers are also known to tank in order to get easier cup draws. Your argument is flawed.
I canQuote:
Originally Posted by rastaman70
easy
Tanking is a form of game manipulation, it distorts leagues and makes the game unfair for other players. Other players who play fairly, play to win. Tankers get to pick and choose the games they try and win and the games they try and lose. It is simple game manipulation which is cheating.
But that's not what bothers me.
Tankers play the game to lose. That makes them losers. Being a loser is sad. Losing makes tankers teams useless. The phrase I use is sad, useless tankers.
Tankers are cheating themselves and their team, depriving themselves of a great victory or an underdog triumph.
Playing to lose is wrong, sad and wrong, sad, wrong and no fun.
Where is the fun in losing?
(Unless tankers get their fun from manipulating match results, picking games to win and lose.... which of course is cheating).
Tankers are cheating themselves with a loser mentality .... It is not healthy.
Play every game to win. If you lose, you lose. If you finish 2nd (or lower), you are not a **** (as suggested in another thread by a tanker). you are second best, and beaten by a better team. Take it, don't be a tanker, but try to do something about it.
Try to come back next season stronger and be the winner.
But that's not what bothers me.
What bothers me is that I've come here to win, I've come here to beat other teams, and I will do all I can to get a victory.
But I don't want to be playing some weak, scared little tanker opponent. Where's the fun in beating some chicken **** loser?
There is no fun in that at all, it's too one-sided when your opponent is too scared to try and win.
This is what bothers me.
I want my opponent to be trying to beat me, as hard as I'm trying to beat them. That's what's it's about.
Grinding gears? Only gears tankers have are reverse, used to see how quick they can lose their way down the league tables.
When you find forward moving gears, gears that take you higher, that's when I might start to worry about grinding them.
I have no opinion of token buyers.
Great post TypTex - Remember (Off topic) the weekley forum competition league tables are up and the new fixtures have been posted
http://forum.topeleven.com/football-...tml#post182789
do you know there are 11 million player playing this game. it makes 11,000,000++ different opinion about tanking.
there will be no end to this topic until nordeus make revolutionary moves.
as for myself, i'm tanking this season to get stronger for next season. if next season there are still many stronger team, maybe i'll tanking again.
Where is the fun in losing? i'm having fun being lose while i'm tanking, so i can focus to training my player.
i enjoy set to hard tackling style just wanted to see stronger team get many injuries. it's really fun. i'm pretty sure some of you'll be extremely happy to see your opponent's player injured. so you can win the match without worried.
being called losers, that's fine. i play this game for having fun, not to get nauseated or getting headache if my team just lose 1 or 2 match like token buyer. and i'm non-token buyer, so nothing to lose.
maybe some tankers have same opinion like me, also there are still 11,000,000++ player have different opinion about tanking
i found happiness when my trophy room is full of 1st place award only, not 2nd place or below. if i think i can't get 1st place, i'll Tanking. as simple as that .this is my happiness. go find your own happiness in this game :D
the objective for playing game is having fun, if you're cannot having fun, you have choices to quit anytime. sorry for my bad grammar :D
Cheers! :D :D :D
There are 11 million subscribers but under half of them are actually active users.Quote:
Originally Posted by neojihad
Yes, of course, under half of them is still large amount of player, and it's still million :D
I'm really struggling to see a line between tanking and league manipulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by neojihad
As shown in quoted post, tankers are quite happy and proud to decide which games to win and which games to lose, which opponents they will try and help and which to try and harm. Picking and choosing when and when not to try and win.
They show they are happy to laugh at the basic rules of any sporting game, which is to win. They show they are not only happy to be losers, but happy to manipulate game results as they see fit.
As I said in a post earlier, this reason doesn't bother me, but it does make it very easy for me to say that tanking is wrong.
There are tankers, and then there are trolls like you who enjoy purposefully injuring other peoples players while doing it. The thing is, most people tank just because they aren't going to win first, or make the top 4. I mean really, just deal with it and try again next season. If you really care about winning so badly, cough up 5 bucks and go bid on some 5 star players. Dont whine that you can't do it and start losing on purpose. Its unfair for the people who actually tried and got promoted into your league. They win because they're willing to spend a couple of bucks when they think they need better players to succeed, or they are just straight up better managers. Tanking is the cheap way of winning, and I will always look down on it. Try your best, and if your team REALLY is that bad, you won't make top 7 anyways so jump for joy.Quote:
Originally Posted by neojihad
Festinator, what about me? On my main account I saw 2 5* player on market from begining of the season. I play with 3 accounts on diferente servers, I am 1st in league on everyone and still in all competitions exept for my main where I lost in Cup from guy that is 3 levels above me and I dont want to pay for scouts....why is that cheating? Thats trying to get even with masivly token buyers, slowly but yet. Aldo I agree that neojihad is just troll.I havent tanked yet because I dont know will I be able to resist impul to win. Also if I played with only this account I would probably not be able to just sit and watch me loosing. Thats my 5 cents
Yeah I know most tankers aren't like neo. You should always try to keep winning. When you're team truly isn't good enough, you won't have to try to lose, it'll lose all its games itself. Can't really blame token buyers, as they are the ones that are really dedicated to the game and winning enough to spend money on it. What's the point of a game if people are trying to lose. Takes the fun right out of it, and winning doesn't feel as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krile007
ohhkay so i'm troll now :D :D, i just giving challenge to token buyer while injure them, like all of you, token buyer gives us tanker a challenge, hard time with your super awesome team.
you think tanking is wrong, because you think you are the most righteous person. and you can't accept other perspective about tanking.
there are only 2 different things between tanker n token buyer
tanker building team slowly but allmost without spends money.
while token buyer instantly have high rated team and spends much money.
in the end, both sides will still have a great team. Different progress but still create same result.
in my case, i don't buy token, because i choose not to. i'd rather give my money for charity to orphanage, than waste my money in a game.
this topic is become serious issue because most of you are so into the game. i played it just looking for fun. this is just a game, not even real sport. get a life :cool:
is the same in the real football, when some coaches like Mourinho, Rafa Benitez, pep Guardiola, say that they want only work in the better teams of europe, or in a teams with high budget and lot of quality. Tank is = I wanna play in a team with options to win.
I am in my 3rd month in level 10, after won 3 CL in 3 seasons, I'm 1st in the league with some players near 8* and I'm so happy. Never will change my strategy for others. (^-^)
In real life if you lose on purpose, you get kicked out of whatever competition you're in and that's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris