Can't stand 'Tankers' - its cheating and should be discouraged

So i hear of this 'Tanking' rubbish - I really do not see the point in purposely losing for a couple of seasons in order to be able to dominate for a couple of seasons? It is like playing FIFA on amateur for life! where's the fun in that. I love nothing more than looking at my opening cup fixture and seeing that i have a team levels above me. I like to scope out the opposition, change my team and tactics accordingly and then decide if i need reinforcements for the game (A new signing) - If you 'tank' you cheat. Someone once said to me "how is it cheating? if it was cheating Nordeus would ban it" Every game has cheats from 'GTA' all the way back to Master system's 'Sonic'. But these cheats add fun to the game for some and i can see why that works. How can anyone sit there and boast about banking training points in order to be seeded against weaker opposition, only to then add the points and demolish there opposition? Is that fair on their opponents? No! cheated out of the cup by a 'Wan .. I mean Tanker' in the very first round. Anyone who can argue in favour of tanking has no understanding of playing a game fairly, and to my amazement I even see forum 'Mods' backing the system. It should be discouraged to all newbies as anyone doing it is nothing more than a virus. The game has enough flaws as it is without added nonsense.

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every game there is not any errors system , will gradually be that complete

I with you on this. I have a cup draw with a team a star better quality.

How can it be cheatinging. All it is is a slower process of building a foundation to achieve a goal.
I'm not sure if it similar to the turtle and the hare story. Slow and steady. What's the rush..is Nordeus going somewhere?

Nordeus should just really deal with "Relegation from league" option. "More you lose, more you gain" is sick system. Also losses should be connected with decreased amount of fans, less money from home matches, sponsors, tokens, etc. As it is in real life, if you still lose, you can't be awarded for that.

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Originally Posted by JanCz

Nordeus should just really deal with "Relegation from league" option. "More you lose, more you gain" is sick system. Also losses should be connected with decreased amount of fans, less money from home matches, sponsors, tokens, etc. As it is in real life, if you still lose, you can't be awarded for that.

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Agree..well said

Sorry Marc I disagree with u here. Tanking is the way non token buyers can keep up against the token buyers. I am in cl this season only becoz I tanked 2 seasons back, which allowed me to play 3 Token buyers last league level. I tanked for a different reason though, as I had been plagued by a dozen of troll results within the first week of that season.
And even token buyers make strong team by PTing and then add skill and play against weak teams with world class teams. That is even unfair for any guy who encounters them. Only difference b/w tanking and token buying is that token buying wastes money and tanking swastes time. And since time = money, they r both the same lols.
We r agreeing to stay back a season and play, while token buyer make gr8 teams in the season d are still ready finest level as they have anoher 500T waiting. I know u don't buy tokens Marc, and I am not going tho tank just for a easier tie and better team ever, but I don't think tanking is wrong.
Enuf said...:)
And ya, GTA will be impossible without cheats, especially San Andreasd which I have completed. I feel Vice City I can complete without cheats as it is much simple and I have done all the so called 'Difficult' missions like Demolition Man for my fronds,ha they call it tough, guess what they will do when they have to do the Aeroplane Learning School mission lols

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Originally Posted by JanCz

Nordeus should just really deal with "Relegation from league" option. "More you lose, more you gain" is sick system. Also losses should be connected with decreased amount of fans, less money from home matches, sponsors, tokens, etc. As it is in real life, if you still lose, you can't be awarded for that.

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I too agree with every bit of this point.....

I think they should relegate the bottom 2 or 3 of the league

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

How can it be cheatinging. All it is is a slower process of building a foundation to achieve a goal.
I'm not sure if it similar to the turtle and the hare story. Slow and steady. What's the rush..is Nordeus going somewhere?

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No its not - Football teams do take time to build there foundations BUT if a team could build there entire foundations in a single season they would do it without a doubt. This game offers that, A team in real life would not delay training or delay building there foundation (as you put it) just so that they wouldn't be seeded against the top teams. Tanking is a tactic deployed by players that want unfair advantages over other player. I don't expect alot of backing here as most of you are/or have been tankers.

As for the relegation thing. That is also an obvious no go! as teams that do not get promoted have a hard enough time trying to get promoted without teams from a higher tear coming down with players of a much greater quality than them. So technically with your relegation theory a team on level 10 with players of an un-believable quality could get relegated all the way down to level 1 and use players of 80+ quality against teams with players of 20 quality? (Its not rocket science to understand how this would fail) but as a "Tanker" i wouldn't expect you to understand about people not wanting to have a unfair advantage against lower teams.

And how can you (Dizzee) agree with (JanCz) who says "More you lose, more you gain" is sick system." Because that is exactly what you are backing by supporting tanking. Because you are GAINING from LOSING.

I really do not ipunderstand Whats the point of tis thread.
I already tanked one of my teams, because in the first season it wasent strong enought to fight for top 4, and finished 5th in the season before, so no money of CL, so i decided to tank, and i can assume you that it His hard playing for loosing, this the engine have is one will.
Last season i was only second, was eliminated form the cup in first round by away goals, by a Little higher Q Team, did not have a easy draw in cup.
Was with low money since was my second season without CL.

Why do not make a thread about limiting the numbers of tokens you buy based on the Q of your league oponents, or limites the watching of videos to the same number in all countries or at least draw the leagues with the teams with the same oportunitys.
And i not complainig about that and Making real noise, this game does not offer the same opportunities to all the players. So everyone plays the way they like.

The worst of all is manipulating results with multiple accounts, thats cheating.

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Originally Posted by Dman2pt

I really do not ipunderstand Whats the point of tis thread.
I already tanked one of my teams, because in the first season it wasent strong enought to fight for top 4, and finished 5th in the season before, so no money of CL, so i decided to tank, and i can assume you that it His hard playing for loosing, this the engine have is one will.
Last season i was only second, was eliminated form the cup in first round by away goals, by a Little higher Q Team, did not have a easy draw in cup.
Was with low money since was my second season without CL.

Why do not make a thread about limiting the numbers of tokens you buy based on the Q of your league oponents, or limites the watching of videos to the same number in all countries or at least draw the leagues with the teams with the same oportunitys.
And i not complainig about that and Making real noise, this game does not offer the same opportunities to all the players. So everyone plays the way they like.

The worst of all is manipulating results with multiple accounts, thats cheating.

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Exactly. I forgot to add that people here watch 6-7 videos a day for boosters whilst here is no offer for that. Now isn't THIS unfair????

It's a strategy and how can you compare this to FIFA in any way, it's a completely different concept. People have a bad team and can't compete with the rest of the league, what exactly would they be playing for? Oh right, yeah get promoted without any Champions League, that's a great idea!

What if you're going on holiday for 2 weeks and you'll miss half your season... Come back to find yourself 10 points off the top 3 and no chance of catching them up, what would you be playing for? A nice 4th place certificate? This is not real football and neither is this FIFA. There are other reasons for tanking other than cup manipulation (which is the first time I've heard of this reason). By the way, if you really wanted to manipulate the cup you'd just sell all your players, buy 3* players and when the season starts refresh your team with 5* and scouts. How is it different to me "cheating" and power training my players to get an advantage over other players?

I can see where you're coming from though. I can understand that it's not "natural" or "normal. But then again, what's natural about this game anyway?

My point does not stand for anyone that is going on holiday or that wants to make more money. My point only stands for people that want to tank so that they can be seeded and dominate lower opposition.

As for calling this a pointless thread (Damn2pt) - Isn't this the point of a forum? - To discuss issues within the game.

And see even dv8r, a token buyer accepts that tanking is a way to be able to compete and if u can't compete this session, back off and come back stronger next season. Agree it will not make sense in real life but in this game, half ththings make no sense.

i came across 5 token buyer`s in the league i got promoted to so all i`m doing is fighting for is 5th to 7th yes promotion but no champions which is what everyone really wants so i don`t see in any harm in tanking a season for the next season and top 4 finish

Hiya, Marc. Hope you had a great season and more than your fair share of injuries, yellows and losses.:rolleyes:

Each manager plays the game they see fit. If it gives them satisfaction, so be it, who am I to judge them. Progress is an evolution and time concept. I see this game as 2-3 years, so there is no rush. The main thing is that I learn from my mistakes and attempt to make some contribution while doing so.
If you repeat a level more than once, it is no poor reflection on anyone other than yourself. Your elders, nor your young'uns are not involved. The choices you make are yours and yours alone, as long as there is satisfaction and enjoyment. Otherwise, what's the point.
Every now and then it's good to stand back and look at the big picture.

Have a great season.

I can see the argument for both sides. I wouldn't say it was cheating but a way for non token buyers to build a squad.

But also I think it is a bit of an achievement to get promoted each season.

I considered tanking last season because I refused to buy tokens I found myself falling behind a few teams and I had a bad start to the season, but I then thought it would be good to have been promoted 13 seasons in a row.

@ BigB79.. Would you say, even though it is difficult, there is better financial rewards to move up the ladder?

there is another reason for tanking and that is if you are top of your server and getting no 5 star player`s in the market then why not get a couple of level`s above you so when you get promoted there should more 5 star player`s i know there are at least 4 levels above me now so when promoted i should not have problem with 5 star player`s on the transfer list

Everyone will think I'm a tanker this season because of my full 6,7 star players. I finished last season at 8th position because all strongest teams were on my league. they had 8,9 star players :D

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Originally Posted by QuocBao

Everyone will think I'm a tanker this season because of my full 6,7 star players. I finished last season at 8th position because all strongest teams were on my league. they had 8,9 star players :D

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imagine you've had finished at 7th place :D

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Originally Posted by spornybol

there is another reason for tanking and that is if you are top of your server and getting no 5 star player`s in the market then why not get a couple of level`s above you so when you get promoted there should more 5 star player`s i know there are at least 4 levels above me now so when promoted i should not have problem with 5 star player`s on the transfer list

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But why would you *need* 5 star players if you're at the top of your server? Everyone else is in the same position then, so the quality is all relative.

someone yesterday was showing off a team they'd been tanking for two months, then on another thread boasting how well their team had done this season.

So tanking means opening lots of different accounts, playing with the best one and letting the others rot until they have some skill points to add? very nice, but I wouldn't like to be boasting about being a tanker.

Tanking makes a mockery of leagues on here.

People should play to win, not play to lose.

People should brag about trying to win, not trying to lose.

I got one team and they will always try and win, so I love tankers means I got more chance of winning.

We interupt this thread, for a moment
If anyone knows the name/s of the biggest soccer team/ s with the limited..est budget ( insert correct word here), then plse let me know..

My guess would be

Blackburn rovers,,, when they won the league.

Interesting question.
Jack Walker had sunk a huge amount of his own fortune into Blackburn when they won the league, and my guess would be that Man U were operating with a smaller playing budget than Blackburn in the two seasons before that.
Leeds just before that couldn't have had much real money either, and winning the title had huge future consequences for them.

Thanks TypTex...Leeds did have a season ...once. Cold one one me.

It ain't gonna happen often, but when it does, burn the the barn, cause its Halloween, guy Fawkes and diwali rolled into one.

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Originally Posted by Marc Symons

So i hear of this 'Tanking' rubbish - I really do not see the point in purposely losing for a couple of seasons in order to be able to dominate for a couple of seasons? It is like playing FIFA on amateur for life! where's the fun in that. I love nothing more than looking at my opening cup fixture and seeing that i have a team levels above me. I like to scope out the opposition, change my team and tactics accordingly and then decide if i need reinforcements for the game (A new signing) - If you 'tank' you cheat. Someone once said to me "how is it cheating? if it was cheating Nordeus would ban it" Every game has cheats from 'GTA' all the way back to Master system's 'Sonic'. But these cheats add fun to the game for some and i can see why that works. How can anyone sit there and boast about banking training points in order to be seeded against weaker opposition, only to then add the points and demolish there opposition? Is that fair on their opponents? No! cheated out of the cup by a 'Wan .. I mean Tanker' in the very first round. Anyone who can argue in favour of tanking has no understanding of playing a game fairly, and to my amazement I even see forum 'Mods' backing the system. It should be discouraged to all newbies as anyone doing it is nothing more than a virus. The game has enough flaws as it is without added nonsense.

The End.

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Do you buy tokens?
Do you think buying tokens is cheating?

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

How can it be cheatinging. All it is is a slower process of building a foundation to achieve a goal.
I'm not sure if it similar to the turtle and the hare story. Slow and steady. What's the rush..is Nordeus going somewhere?

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Usually though in games you can rush the turtle though and kill them off before they get their economy running, doesn't work like that in this game.

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Originally Posted by Killerbee

But why would you *need* 5 star players if you're at the top of your server? Everyone else is in the same position then, so the quality is all relative.

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Becoz token buyers will buy 6* scout and u won't be able to buy even 5* to be even some competition to them.........

Its a matter of each and everyone choice, either your main goal is to gain first positions or keeping advancing for more competitive and in my opinion interesting leagues. I choose the second option finding that i gain much more entertainment from the game.

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Originally Posted by Maxtax

Its a matter of each and everyone choice, either your main goal is to gain first positions or keeping advancing for more competitive and in my opinion interesting leagues. I choose the second option finding that i gain much more entertainment from the game.

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Sums it up for me too.

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Originally Posted by DiZZee

@ BigB79.. Would you say, even though it is difficult, there is better financial rewards to move up the ladder?

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Without a doubt.

Ive won the league nearly every season and been in the champions league every season and ive never worried about cash at all mainly because of the prize money ive earned.

I couldnt tell you how much money i make from ticket money and i dont even worry about how much wages cost. Ive got about 240m in the bank just now and thats after i just spent 130m on players.

I have $1.23bn after renewing 9 new contracts, but money in this game is the most pointless feature of it, as we all know, tokens are the real currency here. Without them, my billions might as well be $0.
As i refuse to buy tokens, i'm now about to sit bottom of lvl 17 for the 4th consecutive season, getting whipped by an average of 5-0 every game.
If tanking gives a free way to compete with the token buyers, then i dont see what the problem is. You cant allow one unfair advantage, but then rule out another one.
I had actually never heard of tanking until i saw this thread, but as i'm about to get hammered again this season, i might as well use it to my advantage.

for me, if you tanks to have better chance in the league and can play champions league. It's ok, a good stategy, this is the way how a team grew up in real life. in facts i prefer a game there is only 3 place for promoted a team must stay there for 2-3 season before grew up
but tanks collect the skill points and have better in cup, it's cheating. it's easy for Nordeus to solve this probleme, eliminate all SKP non-assasigned at the end of season.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Townsend

I with you on this. I have a cup draw with a team a star better quality.

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:D, proved that in football, not strong is win? :D :rolleyes:

Ok

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There's nothing wrong with tanks to win the Cup because without buying and spending tokens to buy strong players and/or power train them, the chance to win the Cup is pretty low. So it's normal for people who do not buy tokens or do not know how to farm tokens to tank their team for better chance of winning.

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Originally Posted by HULIANO

There's nothing wrong with tanks to win the Cup because without buying and spending tokens to buy strong players and/or power train them, the chance to win the Cup is pretty low. So it's normal for people who do not buy tokens or do not know how to farm tokens to tank their team for better chance of winning.

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not at all, the chance to win the cup if you buy strong player and train them is very low, a kind of season like that they can raise Q no more than 5Q, and that what the game should do. no more than 5Q in a cup game ie the same star. the way you do is get 19Q better than other, and it doen't mean illegal in this game but it isn't how the game should work. before i thinks you are one of best player in this game when i looking at your trọphy room, but now, may be it doesn't important for you but i have 0 respect to 0. a cheater

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Originally Posted by tongly45

not at all, the chance to win the cup if you buy strong player and train them is very low, a kind of season like that they can raise Q no more than 5Q, and that what the game should do. no more than 5Q in a cup game ie the same star. the way you do is get 19Q better than other, and it doen't mean illegal in this game but it isn't how the game should work. before i thinks you are one of best player in this game when i looking at your trọphy room, but now, may be it doesn't important for you but i have 0 respect to 0. a cheater

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This is my sub-account. The reason I sell-off my team before the season ends because without doing so, I always got eliminated in the first few rounds of the Cup by playing my main account the way you deem to be fair. I often bought players close to 6 stars on the market to compete in the CL. So most of them got 6 stars. Guess what, the next season I faced teams at higher levels and their team quality is at least 5Q, most of the time 10Q or higher, better than mine. I do not buy tokens, so do you think that I can win the Cup by not selling my team?

Another point is that there are teams that power train their teams to 7 stars at their level, so their team quality matches mine, so it's not like you said I'd always play against team 19Q behind mine.

You can imply me a cheater by saying you have no respect for a cheater. But well, since I do not buy tokens and scouts, it's the way for me to get better chance winning the Cup. Perhaps you're in the server that draw you against team in equal quality. Nonetheless in my case, I almost always faced teams 2 levels above me in the Cup and got kicked out after the first round.

You can call me whatever, and I don't need your respect. That's simple :D