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[Sully]

I agree teams like Everton, Liverpool, Spurs and so fourth are getting better. But Villa arn't one of those teams, so for Arsenal getting beat 1-3 at home isnt a good result, and Man City's away form. Yes the BPL was always defined by a " Top four " Which is more like a " Top 6 or 7 now " But that doesn't excuse the poor results vs teams outside of that.

On the Spanish / German front one thing you didn't mention is that a lot of those that were up there then fell down, they all for the most part suffered massive financial issues. And have been forced to sell their best players to balance their books. If those issues didn't arise they would be able to keep their best players and actually keep a steady ship. Athletico are a prime example, they have managed to grow steadily without selling their best players, they have always been a good team, and have did well in the Europa League many times over the past 10 years. Putting it all down to their manager is a little harsh, they have sold Falcao but they couldn't keep him due to 3rd party ownership. If they had full ownership of him, I have no doubt he would of stayed.

So yes in German and Spanish leagues it has fluctuated, but more down to money issues than anything else. Which the BPL doesn't suffer from as greatly due to TV rights being spilt on a more even scale than in those two other leagues.

Yeah the money issues arise because they are so far behind the top 2 in their leagues that they can't sustain it for any longer than a couple of seasons, whereas in England the teams don't have the same money issues so it can be a more competitive league. The fact that in Germany and Spain it's the top 2 then the rest, in England it's the top 6 or 7 then the rest which makes it a better more competitive league.

My point is take the top two out of those three leagues and in England you would still have a really good competitive league whereas the other two would be a shadow of their leagues just now. They would be like the SPL(or whatever the hell it's called now) Rangers have been taken out and now the SPL can't even get a sponsor, so everyone has lost money and have been become much weaker. Even Celtic are suffering, they are losing all their big players and can't get the same quality to replace these players because no one will come. Even their fans have gone, when Rangers were there they would get nearly 60000 at home games, last Saturday they had less than 20000.

[SlickZ]

Yeah the money issues arise because they are so far behind the top 2 in their leagues that they can't sustain it for any longer than a couple of seasons, whereas in England the teams don't have the same money issues so it can be a more competitive league. The fact that in Germany and Spain it's the top 2 then the rest, in England it's the top 6 or 7 then the rest which makes it a better more competitive league.

My point is take the top two out of those three leagues and in England you would still have a really good competitive league whereas the other two would be a shadow of their leagues just now. They would be like the SPL(or whatever the hell it's called now) Rangers have been taken out and now the SPL can't even get a sponsor, so everyone has lost money and have been become much weaker. Even Celtic are suffering, they are losing all their big players and can't get the same quality to replace these players because no one will come. Even their fans have gone, when Rangers were there they would get nearly 60000 at home games, last Saturday they had less than 20000.

But that's it if you removed the top 2, the leagues would be more competitive, as they would be on more equal terms. The fact Barca and Real get separate tv deals than the rest of La Liga is purely down to past success. Seria A top teams used to be miles ahead of Real and Barca in revenue, but with CL success and the change of style they have grew massively. And to get those past success's they had to have consistency.

I do believe the German and Spanish leagues are ahead of the BPL in terms of skill and quality, but that is purely down to the upper teams in England failing to be their best every game, and when Barca arn't their best they still win, same for Bayern. Man City don't do that, neither do Arsenal / Liverpool / Man Utd and others.