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[Siddharth Shanker Singh]

As soon as the ball kicks off, the results are ALREADY DETERMINED. a

If this is the case then play an ILLEGAL formation as soon as the game kicks starts...

The results are pre-determined but there are chances that we can influence them......

[Spyros]

If this is the case then play an ILLEGAL formation as soon as the game kicks starts...

The results are pre-determined but there are chances that we can influence them......

Ofcourse there are chances you can take and alter game's outcome. Strong chances actually. Dont believe everything you read.

This season my team stays in same level just to get stronger. So every game, I start with legal formations doing some tactic checks for future use. After I lead with one or two goals, I switch to ridiculous illegal formations just to lose. Can I stay victorious ??? LOL simply not

I do not work for Nordeus but I play this game for over 2 years and I can spot the difference between cheap and complex. Top Eleven can become crazy with RNG factor and all that, but it is not a cheap game with predetermined results. This is only speculating from brats, that can not manage their anger whenever they lose a game.

[gogs67]

This season my team stays in same level just to get stronger. So every game, I start with legal formations doing some tactic checks for future use. After I lead with one or two goals, I switch to ridiculous illegal formations just to lose. Can I stay victorious ??? LOL simply not

Exactly. And vice versa, I start a game with a crazy formation, wait till I'm 4 or 5 goals down, and with 20 mins to go switch to a 'good' formation and peg a couple of goals back. That's simple to do as well and blows out the water any theory that nothing you do 'in game' has any consequence.
I am in no way implying that the whole game engine isn't pretty basic though! Just that it's not as basic as we have no real influence on the outcome of games.

[rastaman70]

If this is the case then play an ILLEGAL formation as soon as the game kicks starts...

The results are pre-determined but there are chances that we can influence them......

ummmm nope. I played all last year with an account that tested illegal formations and it still doesnt matter. I won so many with just the illegal formation so it is extremely hard to prove that changing the formation just after kickoff will make a difference.

and you contradicted yourself with that last statement - if results are predetermined, then you cannot influence them as they are not changeable.

Ofcourse there are chances you can take and alter game's outcome. Strong chances actually. Dont believe everything you read.

This season my team stays in same level just to get stronger. So every game, I start with legal formations doing some tactic checks for future use. After I lead with one or two goals, I switch to ridiculous illegal formations just to lose. Can I stay victorious ??? LOL simply not

I do not work for Nordeus but I play this game for over 2 years and I can spot the difference between cheap and complex. Top Eleven can become crazy with RNG factor and all that, but it is not a cheap game with predetermined results. This is only speculating from brats, that can not manage their anger whenever they lose a game.

I tank to get stronger as well but thats beside the point.

dude you just lost the plot. if you start the game with a legal formation, the results are calculated with your legal formation and if the engine rolled that you won, you can change to an illegal formation until the cows come home and still win.

This IS a cheap game.

This is a cheap game WITH predetermined results.

and the brats who cannot manage their anger when they lose a game are not my problem, nor do I give a ****e what they do. I have no idea why that is even part of this conversation, but hey, who cares.

Exactly. And vice versa, I start a game with a crazy formation, wait till I'm 4 or 5 goals down, and with 20 mins to go switch to a 'good' formation and peg a couple of goals back. That's simple to do as well and blows out the water any theory that nothing you do 'in game' has any consequence.
I am in no way implying that the whole game engine isn't pretty basic though! Just that it's not as basic as we have no real influence on the outcome of games.

and gogs67, you are also missing the point. try to do what you said CONSISTANTLY and then you may be able to prove what you say, but you mention one game and you cant base/prove any theory with the results of one game. we have hundreds if not thousands of posts from people who have tested these theories and most of them when put together show some anomalies with the way results are determined. So far, the theory that games are predetermined has been argued since the start of the game and was probably one of the main reasons why the last version of this forum was dumped.

you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. that sums up nicely what I am trying to do here.

[gogs67]

and gogs67, you are also missing the point. try to do what you said CONSISTANTLY and then you may be able to prove what you say, but you mention one game and you cant base/prove any theory with the results of one game. we have hundreds if not thousands of posts from people who have tested these theories and most of them when put together show some anomalies with the way results are determined. So far, the theory that games are predetermined has been argued since the start of the game and was probably one of the main reasons why the last version of this forum was dumped.

you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. that sums up nicely what I am trying to do here.

I do it every season I tank and, from the results over many of my games, I'm convinced that 'in game' drastic formation changes have a direct impact on the score/result.
Last season for example I won my first 10 games. Then I lost my next 14 on purpose and then won the last two as I was safely 'staying down'.
In 12 out of the 14 lost I changed formation from illegal to legal when it was safe to do so and the game changed 90 degrees with me suddenly being stronger and 'winning' that part of the game from then on. Every time.
The other two games it wasn't safe to try that as my opponent was so bad it was a close one to actually lose to them.

[Deghinsea]

I would have to agree with rastaman70 on this one. Only statistics are affected by in game changes, not the results. At least this is what my 15-match experiment showed me 2 seasons ago. I used 2 teams of equal quality. One always started the match with legal formation and the other with illegal formation and then swap formations asap. 12 times out of 15 the team that started with the legal formation won the match. The rest of the results were 2 draws and 1 lose. I don't know if they have fixed the engine now but I have stopped bothering too much since then.

[gogs67]

I would have to agree with rastaman70 on this one. Only statistics are affected by in game changes, not the results. At least this is what my 15-match experiment showed me 2 seasons ago. I used 2 teams of equal quality. One always started the match with legal formation and the other with illegal formation and then swap formations asap. 12 times out of 15 the team that started with the legal formation won the match. The rest of the results were 2 draws and 1 lose. I don't know if they have fixed the engine now but I have stopped bothering too much since then.

If the teams are unequal quality (which is what mine was compared to most of the other teams) then it does make a difference. I was playing teams about 10 Q worse than me, I had an illegal formation, they would go 5 or 6 nil up, I would change to 4-4-2, and score 2 or 3 goals without reply. Happened every game.
If teams were equal quality then it didn't make as much difference.

[rastaman70]

I would have to agree with rastaman70 on this one. Only statistics are affected by in game changes, not the results. At least this is what my 15-match experiment showed me 2 seasons ago. I used 2 teams of equal quality. One always started the match with legal formation and the other with illegal formation and then swap formations asap. 12 times out of 15 the team that started with the legal formation won the match. The rest of the results were 2 draws and 1 lose. I don't know if they have fixed the engine now but I have stopped bothering too much since then.

this experiment you have done is exactly what others have done and have come up with the same results. For those of us that still remain ignorant to the fact that the games are predetermined, they need to get their heads out of the sand and start to do the testing for themselves and/or actually pay attention to the results of those that have done the testing and provided results.

@gogs67: there will always be anomalies and they cannot be taken as proof that you are correct. the odds are in favor of matches being predetermined based on the results produced by many people on this forum. I have yet to see someone do this experiment and find results that disprove the theory.

@everyone: by all means, continue to think you can affect matches as it gives you the enjoyment you so duly deserve in a mickey mouse online football predetermined simulation game. oops, left out the word management for some reason...I wonder why?

[gogs67]

this experiment you have done is exactly what others have done and have come up with the same results. For those of us that still remain ignorant to the fact that the games are predetermined, they need to get their heads out of the sand and start to do the testing for themselves and/or actually pay attention to the results of those that have done the testing and provided results.

@gogs67: there will always be anomalies and they cannot be taken as proof that you are correct. the odds are in favor of matches being predetermined based on the results produced by many people on this forum. I have yet to see someone do this experiment and find results that disprove the theory.

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One minute you say the results are predetermined, next minute you say the odds are in favour of matches being predetermined. Which is it?
I didn't say I was correct, I just told you what I've seen. I am doing these experiments, and they are showing a trend toward being able to influence the result 'in game' in certain situations.
Keep an open mind, it's bad science otherwise.

[rastaman70]

One minute you say the results are predetermined, next minute you say the odds are in favour of matches being predetermined. Which is it?
I didn't say I was correct, I just told you what I've seen. I am doing these experiments, and they are showing a trend toward being able to influence the result 'in game' in certain situations.
Keep an open mind, it's bad science otherwise.

I am saying that the games are predetermined, but for the sake of arguments, I say that the stats are showing that results tend to show as predetermined since we cannot show it 100% for the doubters out there. I hope that clears things up for you.

and I seriously doubt your results show you can influence the game. all results that have been posted up here show the opposite. but by all means, keep trying.