I always set my team with zonal marking for every match. I want to know if man on man marking is a good system.
When do we use it? What kind of formation suits the marking style?
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I always set my team with zonal marking for every match. I want to know if man on man marking is a good system.
When do we use it? What kind of formation suits the marking style?
No one knows. They don't tell.
People just use it in a l-believe basis.
you can use it in defensive position man to man
with counter attack and long pass
but it makes ur player very tired quickly
-Man-on-man marking:
This kind of marking means that every player is assigned an opposing player. They’ll chase that player wherever he goes when defending and only leave his side when attacking. Defenders are assigned to block strikers, defensive midfielders and wingbacks are assigned to block attacking midfielders, midfielders are assigned to block the opponent’s and lastly, strikers are assigned to mark the ocasional attacking defenders.
For the above reasons, man-on-man marking is only useful if your formation has enough defenders to stop the strikers, enough defensive midfielders to stop the attacking midfielders and so on.
There is a definite advantage of man-on-man marking over zonal when it comes to intercepting long passes, through balls and specially blocking long shot attempts. The downside is that since only one player is marking, if the opponent manages to dribble or nutmeg past his marker, he’ll be in the clear unless the defender is much faster and catches up.
Notes: If the opposing strikers are better than your defenders, don’t ever use man-on-man marking. it also works the other way around, if your defenders are better you should probably use it.
One of the best ways to lower your opponent’s possesion is to use man-on-man marking, as his players will be forced to try to dribble, nutmeg, shoot, cross or pass earlier instead of holding the ball around the zone.
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Zonal is best for most formations and I never use anything else!, if you are using wide formations 3w-1-4-2 or 4-4-2 flat or 4-1-3w-2 etc then mixed or down both flanks focus passing, if your playing 3dcs or a diamond formation then through the middle would be good, attacking or normal, close down own half a must for me!, mixed passing style.
Red arrows on all midfield and strikers, play offsides, I only use force counter attacks at HT if things are not going well,and I also change formation to 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 and change to hard attacking, oh and hard tackling always.
Skidz, how have you reached those conclusions?
Because I don't see a manual for this game anywhere.
Most things we do, we have no way to prove if or how they work. It's all about belief.
Right its all about personal belief...If I use a particular setting and it works for me, I will go on praising it and on other hand if some one other uses those setting and looses he will criticize it...
If some one has a tall players and he scores a lot of headers he will say height matters in heading while if some one has a small height player and he scores a lot of headers he will say height does not matters...
Its all about personal belief. And how some particular players have performed for you. My AML scores a lot of goals than my AMR, so I belief that AML scores more goals than AMR and so on many things can be quoted on personal perceptions...:)...
Precisely.
Thanks guys. I always lose to teams with 4-4-2 formation. I thought it'd bring any difference if i changed my marking to man-on-man. Haha i'm currently using skidz's formatiom, 3w-1-4-2. It's almost perfect since i only lost 2 matches. Both of them were using 442 against me
You are write in there is no manual! but when someone asks a question I can only answer from my point of view! if you are going to critisize everybody for there answer quoting the manual line then there is no point in even having a forum! as there is no 100% correct answer here!.
What is your answer to his question? so I can then quote your own words against you!!!.
There there guys. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you don't like a suggestion, offer an alternative. No need to attack someone's credibility/beliefs...
when you answer from your point of view, how about a disclaimer stating that its your opinion and not real since there is no manual? People like us have a problem with other managers who state things like you did, where you come across as actually knowing something you cant possibly know. Next time just say you dont know but its your opinion that.....[insert opinion here]. that way, people reading it dont get the impression that its real and/or from an actual manual.
Is is not needed to preface comments that they are stating their opinion.
It is implicit in this style of Forum bulletin board.
You will only, for the most part, see opinions. If you don't want opinions, the wiki (http://wiki.topeleven.com/Main_Page) is approved by the Devs so you can take it as truth in regards to the game.
(now me on the other hand, as a Mod, you'll notice that when my signature is showing it does in fact state that what I say is my opinion. When the signature isn't there, I am being a Mod. :))
I have been testing the Man on Man marking with one of my teams. keep in mind, I have high physical stats on all my players...
i have been keeping balanced formation with always five in each half.. and short passes. I have great possession most of the time. Team is currently winning it's League.
But I use zonal else.
The answer is "Get a team of 9* players every season and you won't even care about zonal or man-to-man marking!!!!!!!!!!!!" Otherwise, just keep singing "I believe I can fly!!!!"
WHAT PART OF THIS DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? OR DID YOU NOT BOTHER TO READ THE ORIGINAL POST I MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Zonal is best for most formations and I never use anything else!",
DONT CRITISIZE WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!
I try to help other managers on this forum not critisize them!, when someone asks for help I will give them help!, I DO KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT I HAVENT WON THE LAST 8 LEAGUES IN A ROW BY FLUKE!, I HAVE MANY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM PRIVATE MESSAGING ME ALL THE TIME ASKING FOR HELP WITH THERE TEAM!, IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE ME SICK!.
My bad. I just read Man on Man and chuckled. Easy guys! (ha chuckled again)
Lol, I know!, its pathetic when people start saying "how can you possibly no this " or o wheres the manual that says you are right!, seriously!, that could said on every question on here that does not relate the official rules of the game!, there are plenty of managers on here that play with a favourite formation and have found what orders work best for them!, me included, and what- does not work so well, we then share with others OUR own point of view, other managers do not have to follow them!, it is a guide based on our OWN experience!, lol I can not believe Im even bothering to highlight certain words but feel I have no choice because of the Bible (manual) people on this forum that feel it necessary to critisize other people opinions when clearly they have no positive thought on the question in hand!, they offer no idea of there own lol, it is a real shame because I use this forum to learn new ideas and offer my personal experiences and hope offer help to other members, I am not perfect, far from it but if you other members feel I am wrong then please say so,I obvious must have mistaken this forum for being a positive place and so will leave if im wrong.
you are wrong. There is a manual for EVERY game worth its name and there is not one for this game. ok, you know what works for you but it is not necessarily going to work for everyone. A manual is something that works for everyone and covers every aspect of the game, something this game sorely needs.
this forum could be a positive place but there is so much negative it is crazy
And you are causing alot of it!. I NEVER SAID IT WORKED FOR EVERYONE!.
If we had a manual like you asked then this game would not be worth playing!, we would all follow it and do exactly the same thing for certain situations!, the outcomes would be the same!, there would be nothing to learn!, there would be no fun in the game!, it would be pointless!, as it stands we the players have to learn, build, train and manage our team, we win, we loose, we draw!, we look at other managers teams, tactics, and this gives us ideas about our own team!, we come to this forum for advice, to give our opinions off tactics, formations etc!, if we had a manual like you say then there would be no need for this forum!, there would be no need ask anything! we just turn to the manual and do what it says!, seriously!, this is a game! a free game, a competetive game!, if what you want is a maual then T11 is not for you!, you obviously want to go straight to the top and not work your way there!.
Some people are just too stupid to judge other people..and some people are too stupid that they would learn things from someone wiser.
If you think you know what you are talking about why dont you ask Nordeus for them to allow you to write their instruction booklet on the game? If you didnt write it, or dont have access to one, then you dont know anything real and all you know is what you think is correct, and possibly not true. All you know about is what works for you. It would be ignorant and arrogant, and wrong for that matter, for you to say that everyone you help always wins, because you dont have access to in instruction booklet on how this game really works.
HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
I dont care what you wrote before. all I am saying is to not come across and knowing stuff you cant possible know as being 100%. You act as if you know. You only know what works for you most of the time, not all the time. In 8 seasons you won, did you go 26-0-0 and win both the CL and Cup? No, I didnt think so. That means you lose and can be wrong and zonal is not the best for most formations.
Here is part of your quote that has caused all this: "Zonal is best for most formations". HOW CAN YOU KNOW THIS? I have used man-to-man frequently and won just as many as I have won with Zonal, yet you say Zonal is the best for most formations. So please tell me how you reached your conclusions on why zonal is the best for most formations?
And please, typing in CAPS doesnt make your argument more powerful or more right, it just shows that you let your emotions take hold and logic goes out the window. It becomes hard to take someone seriously when they do that.
no you didnt SAY it worked for everyone, you stated "it is best for most formations", which implies that it is best for everyone using most formations.
It would be more correct and proper for you to say: "I use it with most formations and it works for me". Simple. When you say it that way, it means that you didnt write the book on how the game works and you know only what works for you. The way you wrote it originally came across like you were a dev that created the game.
You obviously dont know what an instruction manual is for. It is to help someone learn to play the game with all the information that is available in the game so there is less guesswork necessary about what works and doesnt work in the game and why it is there. I dont know what I would do without the instruction book for Batman:Arkham Asylum and that of the walkthrough, but that is because they teach you what to do with button combos and they tell you the skills necessary to complete the game.
Nordeus on the other hand, tells you what is in the game but not anything useful on how to use them. They give the absolute minimum necessary to understand the game and thats all. Why? Good question. I dont know why, I can speculate, but this is not the time to do that or the thread. I want a manual for this game, not to make things easy, but to understand why I use tactics they create in the game, the best time to use them and what they actually do for gameplay. I am not asking to make the game easier, I just want to know what tools I have in the toolbox and instructions on how and when to use them so I can properly build my team and its success.
so dont bother getting your panties in a bunch anymore, you should understand that im not trying to insult you or ridicule you, I am trying to help you not come across as something you are not: an expert in the game, or someone who knows everything there is to know about the game. not even Jul;yforurth knows everything about the game, nor does he admit to it.
Just try to change how you write things a bit, because people assume you actually know how the game works, and thats just wrong.
Are you an MP?, you are the one that is pathetic!, your writing things I never said, you are so typical of a interlectual plonker!, who has to do everythiny by the book, I bet you where a yes man, a mummys boy lmfao!, you even bring other managers ideas into it and still not your own!, how do you not know zonal does not work with most formatoins? Have you even tried it with quite few? Stop winging about peoples views and actually bother to say something usefull, go and get yourself dewormed!.
"so dont bother getting your panties in a bunch anymore, you should understand that im not trying to insult you or ridicule you" you are acusing me off something I did not do or say!.
Its a soccer (football) manager game hun ??? If you follow soccer then you already know how to play it !!!! I'm not batman or a hedgehog called sonic so I might need info on how that works !!! but seriously you think the top managers in the game have a manual on how to win every game ???????
Or do they choose from experience as Skidz is doing ?? and Skidz at least is willing to pass on information to newbie players ( Good on ya Skidz hun )
Sully if you need a manual on how football ( soccer) works your going to need more than luck to win a game hun . trial and error is the name of the game !!! try it it's fun
The wiki is not a waste of time for new players it's very helpful !!!!!
Jerry!! Jerry!! Jerry!! *chanting
you can use it in a defensive position humans for humans, game one piece
I quoted you directly. how can you say you didnt say these things? I cut and paste from YOUR post. getting a bit defensive that you actually said that "Zonal Marking is the best for most formations".
that is what this whole debate is about. what is better, zonal or M2M? you piped in saying that zonal is the best for most formations. Several people on here are asking you how you know this 100%. You came back with a statement saying you have been successful in 8 seasons and help many people, which we dont doubt. we just want to know how you know zonal is what works the best.
btw, you are being reported for the insults. thats pretty low.
Report what you like! most people who have quoted actually agree with me!, tell me where in this ""Zonal Marking is the best for most formations". does it say 100%? come on ! you obviously want to continue this debate and so I will ablige!, Zonal marking has worked for me in every formation I have played!, 4-4-2, 4-4-3, 3-4-3, 3w-1-4-2, 4-1-3w-2, 4-3w-1-1, 3w-2-3-1-1 to name a few, Im not going to write them all down as you know what they are!, You already know that I was talking of my own experiences!, but yet you continue to blabber on about this same thing! lol, Oh sorry did I say MOST PEOPLE oops do I need to name them for you or can you read?, I have written a guide on 3w-1-4-2 that tells people what works best for that formation are you going to throw the manual at me for that aswell?, why are you so content in putting down what I wrote? I have said it was based on MY experiences!!!, I have givern my stats! Oh and yes I have had a 26-0-0 last year in the league only, but thats means nothing really as this is a game! a game that is supposed to be taken in fun and in a friendly nature but then you come on here and start laying the law down and asking for 100% in writing! seriously dude what is with you?, I have helped lots of people on here and never once had complaints because MOST PEOPLE know that what I say is taken from my perspective and how I play!, they dont say to me " O wheres your proof"!!! are you going to say that to everone who quotes anything on this forum! or are you going to read and quote objective things on this forum?. you will lose many friends with this constant second guessing people who are actually trying to make a difference on here!, I like helping people and I always do and have never failed to help someone if I can!, I dont say I will always get it right!, I said MOST formations!. I never said IT WAS 100% RIGHT, if that was the case everybody would use the same tactic and there would be no winner!, Do you ask for 100% proof in everything you do? NO! , one final thing!, I am still yet to see you say what you would do!? No instead YOU find it better questioning my judgement when clearly you have no positive thought on the question that was originaly asked!.
Do tell me Sully where in this statement does it say with 100% proof?.
I always set my team with zonal marking for every match. I want to know if man on man marking is a good system.
When do we use it? What kind of formation suits the marking style?
Stay on subject and if you can't give an answer to him don't post just to chat here because it won't help him at all.
Also please stop insulting each other because we don't want to warn or ban anyone, thank you.
This is from my experience. I'm afraid I lack empirical evidence to prove this one way, or the other, so it will be a matter of personal opinion...this is what Skidz was doing and, if you read his posts, you can tell that English isn't his first language, so pedantically correcting his grammar may not be the way to go. He is trying to offer advice to someone who had asked for it...
Zonal...works best when facing a stronger team.
M2M...works best when facing a weaker team.
This is just for me, though. I change my formation almost every game, so the marking may have played no part at all, I guess.
Hey Russ Im 100% English even if the grammers not upto scratch!, English never was my best subject, Born and bread in England me bro!
My take is with man on man marking, in theory the player will get tired quicker due to the constant following of a player!, yes I have no way to prove this 100% but it does seem logical(to me anyway! I used to play football), yes this is a virtual game but when I play I use my real life experiences as a guide on what to use!, this has served me quite well as a base line, the rest I have learnt from my results over the last 10 seasons, and experimenting. This game has X amount of variables so there is hundreds if not thousands of possible outcomes, but I have over the last four to 5 seasons found that playing the same formation from the start works well, I have stopped using MOM marking and have played zonzal ever since, I switch formation during live matches but still keep Zonal on, I will not ever use anything else.