Skill progress

[nikolgiorgos]

Hi my friends. Raise of the players has absolutely nothing to do with their rates. Vahid, that's for you to study



what we can see is that my GK who has always rates betwen 5-6, max 7 has good rates cause of his good training factor.
HULK (with red line) had a very steady raise with rates of 7 & 8 and with a MoM
NEYMAR with (yellow line) had a difference in raise with rates 7 & 8
SILVA (purple) had the lower raise with the better rate
Muller (green line) with rate of 6 had bigger raise than a rate of 7

[nikolgiorgos]

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ok, little bigger picture ...
Those results are fom 4 recent league games

[Buffs Mad]

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ok, little bigger picture ...
Those results are fom 4 recent league games

Just a point. When I say rates its training rates I'm talking about not ratings.

[nikolgiorgos]

no, because his skill progress in a match takes into account what rating he got in that game. If he had a bad game he wont progress as much

I'm talking about this, the second post, of RJ.

No...There is no difference......

Sid was right.

The percent gain will not change either you play friendly or regular match

the % yes, the quantity 'll change

friendlies against stronger team

pointless, just loose 1 blue

Well, my regular habit is to train young guys and play old guys

yes because young players can power train but for older players or slow trainers it's uselles. If I have a safety in red packs, I put 2-3 fast trainers to play 2 gameswith the risk of injury.

A competition game is 70% average gain in training progress

from my results in a competion game (L/Ch.L./Cup doesn't matter) a fast trainer has about the same results with a practice match training in 3 bars. An older has bigger raise in an off.match.
In friendly game has about 50-70% less raise but in analogy less of condition.

players who gain 8-9 rating burns more condition and gain more sp

about the first, I didn't have strong evidence, the second no.

Generally good rating players get more gain because they are more involve in the game hence they burn more condition...

No, rate has to do with more involving at the game but nothing to do with gain. Usually expensive (1st class) norgens are faster trainers (so get more gain) and good players.

I believe that friendlies consume less condition than official matches, but players also gain less SP

agree 100% adding that dificulty of the game/opponent/competition is irrelative.
The only change I noticed because it happened to all the players of my team, was in an extra time+penalties, where I had an extra 30% for everybody.

[Buffs Mad]

That's me in the clear then

[nikolgiorgos]

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On the left, is the results after a friendly game (yesterday). It's just from view of training section.(2 or 3 bars has nothing to do with matches).
On the right is the results after my CH.L. semi, today. I marked with colours some players to see the %. It's very similar. You can compare it also with the results of the 4 games in league. In the corner, down and left, it's the record at training/practice match/3 bars , of my player, my GK from academy. Thankfully it's not true that gain has to do with rates because most of the time he's drinking coffee under his goal posts, watching his teamates playing ball. That's why he usually get's 5, max 6.

[nikolgiorgos]

Remember that in training there is a roll dice.
1+1 is not equal to 2 (+- 5%) but sometimes 1,6 sometimes 2,5 and with the same condition and morale % (I usually have them over 90%).

[Cat Harrison]

I removed off topic posts. This is a good discussion and that detracted from flow of conversation. I really like the experiments and data guys! I stopped recording my numbers a few seasons ago, I add players to BvB so slowly I know who gains what already in a general way.

My slowest guy gets 1(yes 1)/3/8 average regular train.. but his match play gets over 10 usually. And occasionally MOM's. He's 31 y.o. 2 star (was very fast when young). Fastest in reg. training gets like 20/40/80 and 100 something in comp matches. 20 y.o. 6 star.
I haven't been playing friendlies lately so couldn't say what they usually get with that.

[Steppenwolf]

I removed off topic posts. This is a good discussion and that detracted from flow of conversation. I really like the experiments and data guys! I stopped recording my numbers a few seasons ago, I add players to BvB so slowly I know ho gains what already in a general way.

My slowest guy gets 1(yes 1)/3/8 average regular train.. but him match play gets over 10 usually. And occasionally MOM's. He's 31 y.o. 2 star (was very fast when young). Fastest in reg. training gets like 20/40/80 and 100 something in comp matches. 20 y.o. 6 star.
I haven't been playing friendlies lately so couldn't say what they usually get with that.

The slowest training guys are 30+ y.o. "flops"... They usually get 4-6% for Stretching at age 18-21 (4-stars)... So, it's 2-3% at age 22-25, 1-2% (1-1.5% actually) at age 26-29 and 0-1% (0.5-0.75%) at age 30+... But, even if it says 0%, they get 1% actually... I had 30 y.o. striker who was getting 0% for 30 minutes of play in official match, lol (5-star range for 30+ y.o. the slowest flops is 0.38-0.63%)

[Steppenwolf]

Fastest in reg. training gets like 20/40/80 and 100 something in comp matches. 20 y.o. 6 star.

That's what the fastest 2-stars get with level 8 training ground. Maybe it will change at the next level...