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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo121 View Post
    Tanking is for losers and cheats....The one thing I hate about online gaming is people finding ways to cheat. I mean c'mon....for what? Oh yeah, look at me, I won the league....although i cheated, and what do i get for it....hhmmm, nothing!!

    It's like cheating with your handicap in golf. it doesn't make you a better player to chop strokes, at the end of the day you're still a duffer....just enjoy the game FFS....
    no, buying tokens to better your team is for losers and cheats. If you cant do it with the daily tokens and ads, then you are a cheat and a loser, not necessarily in that order. Any other way is just ingenuity and smart thinking.

    how else do you suggest that one competes in a game where spending money gives you a better team? If I can find a way to have a better team without spending money, how is that cheating? we are not manipulating the game or how it works. We are not using external applications to change things. We are just losing on purpose to stay on the same level and build the team over 2-3 years. People who buy tokens can do that instantly, so I repeat, how is tanking considered cheating?

    And I do have to admit that cheaters are losers, but losers are not necessarily cheaters.

    And believe me, I do enjoy the game much more when I have a great team ready to compete. Sure, we all love to cheer for the underdog, but who wants to always be the underdog?

    and I just love your nonsense example with golf. Golf is a real game where there are rules and everyone knows them and they all know how to play the game. T11, is not like golf. Sure you have rules, but they dont explain the game and its rules to the point where everyone knows what is what. Nobody is "chopping strokes" as you say. They are purposly shanking and missing putts so they dont get promoted. Consider it "practice"...we prefer to stay on the course and get better at it before we win it.

    I still cant believe there are people out there bitching about tanking. It is a fair thing to do. Some call it unsportsman-like, but then again, so it buying tokens and using them to make your players better.

    So just leave tankers alone and take your own advice: enjoy the game FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    no, buying tokens to better your team is for losers and cheats. If you cant do it with the daily tokens and ads, then you are a cheat and a loser, not necessarily in that order. Any other way is just ingenuity and smart thinking.

    how else do you suggest that one competes in a game where spending money gives you a better team? If I can find a way to have a better team without spending money, how is that cheating? we are not manipulating the game or how it works. We are not using external applications to change things. We are just losing on purpose to stay on the same level and build the team over 2-3 years. People who buy tokens can do that instantly, so I repeat, how is tanking considered cheating?

    And I do have to admit that cheaters are losers, but losers are not necessarily cheaters.

    And believe me, I do enjoy the game much more when I have a great team ready to compete. Sure, we all love to cheer for the underdog, but who wants to always be the underdog?

    and I just love your nonsense example with golf. Golf is a real game where there are rules and everyone knows them and they all know how to play the game. T11, is not like golf. Sure you have rules, but they dont explain the game and its rules to the point where everyone knows what is what. Nobody is "chopping strokes" as you say. They are purposly shanking and missing putts so they dont get promoted. Consider it "practice"...we prefer to stay on the course and get better at it before we win it.

    I still cant believe there are people out there bitching about tanking. It is a fair thing to do. Some call it unsportsman-like, but then again, so it buying tokens and using them to make your players better.

    So just leave tankers alone and take your own advice: enjoy the game FFS


    I have never tanked. I don't buy tokens, never spent a penny on this game. Take it season to season, using the daily tokens and ads, and seem to be pretty successful. I don't need 2-3 seasons to 'rebuild'!

    Plus I didn't say this game is like golf. I used golf because when you cheat in golf you're just cheating yourself....and if you're going to tank and win the league every 3 seasons because you 'cheated' your way into an inferior league, then you're cheating yoursel also....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo121 View Post
    I have never tanked. I don't buy tokens, never spent a penny on this game. Take it season to season, using the daily tokens and ads, and seem to be pretty successful. I don't need 2-3 seasons to 'rebuild'!

    Plus I didn't say this game is like golf. I used golf because when you cheat in golf you're just cheating yourself....and if you're going to tank and win the league every 3 seasons because you 'cheated' your way into an inferior league, then you're cheating yoursel also....
    you focused on the most non-important point: golf, and neglected to really address the main point which was that tanking is NOT cheating, unless you also agree that using tokens to increase the quality of your team is also cheating. But even if you tank, it is not cheating, no matter what, simply because you are choosing not to progress to the next level. It may be viewed as unsportsmanlike, but it is 100% not cheating. Using tokens, on the other hand, to increase skills is 100% cheating. It is giving an advantage that the majority do not choose to use because it uses real money in a free game.

    How you can fail to address this is just proof that you have no clue what tanking is and what its purpose is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    you focused on the most non-important point: golf, and neglected to really address the main point which was that tanking is NOT cheating, unless you also agree that using tokens to increase the quality of your team is also cheating. But even if you tank, it is not cheating, no matter what, simply because you are choosing not to progress to the next level. It may be viewed as unsportsmanlike, but it is 100% not cheating. Using tokens, on the other hand, to increase skills is 100% cheating. It is giving an advantage that the majority do not choose to use because it uses real money in a free game.

    How you can fail to address this is just proof that you have no clue what tanking is and what its purpose is.

    Using Tokens is part of the game. that's what they are there for. Whether you choose to buy them (which I dont) or use the ones you are given, also watching videos or downloading apps, this are all legit....Tanking however, is purposely losing to gain an advantage, which I would consider, a form of cheating. I don't want to compare this game to real football, because most of the time it doesn't compare, but a lot of people make the comparison, and so taking that into account, how many managers, in the real world, deliberately lose....?
    And as I said before, where's the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing for a season or 2, just so you may win 3 seasons later, in an inferior league....Face it Bubba, it's a form of cheating....!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo121 View Post
    Using Tokens is part of the game. that's what they are there for. Whether you choose to buy them (which I dont) or use the ones you are given, also watching videos or downloading apps, this are all legit....Tanking however, is purposely losing to gain an advantage, which I would consider, a form of cheating. I don't want to compare this game to real football, because most of the time it doesn't compare, but a lot of people make the comparison, and so taking that into account, how many managers, in the real world, deliberately lose....?
    And as I said before, where's the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing for a season or 2, just so you may win 3 seasons later, in an inferior league....Face it Bubba, it's a form of cheating....!
    sure using tokens is part of the game for both those who can afford it and those who want to cheat. Plain and simple. using money to make your team better when the majority dont do it.

    Tanking is def not cheating and anyone who thinks it is is an ignorant fool. Tanking is a strategy. And there you go comparing it to real life, when this is simply a game. not many managers purposely lose, but then, they have a real team with real people and they wont purposely lose unless they are bent and are told to lose to win money. T11 managers, on the other hand, are put at a disadvantage because their players lose a star each time they are promoted, forcing one to either spend tokens to increase quality or play with what you got, which may or may not be competitive, depending on the league.

    IF someone wants to purposely lose so they can build their team into something competitive, how is that cheating? This is a game and it is a strategy. I dont want to spend money on tokens and I dont farm tokens or packs. So I either tank or sit bottom or middle of the pack with an ever decreasing quality team.

    and the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing is knowing that next season you will have a much better team as well as a crapload more reds/blues/greens and tokens because they were not needed. It is a team building strategy that does not use real money. How hard is that to comprehend? Obviously you disagree, but I cant help it if you choose to ignore the obvious facts on the matter.

    Face it Bubba, its NOT cheating. ....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    sure using tokens is part of the game for both those who can afford it and those who want to cheat. Plain and simple. using money to make your team better when the majority dont do it.

    Tanking is def not cheating and anyone who thinks it is is an ignorant fool. Tanking is a strategy. And there you go comparing it to real life, when this is simply a game. not many managers purposely lose, but then, they have a real team with real people and they wont purposely lose unless they are bent and are told to lose to win money. T11 managers, on the other hand, are put at a disadvantage because their players lose a star each time they are promoted, forcing one to either spend tokens to increase quality or play with what you got, which may or may not be competitive, depending on the league.

    IF someone wants to purposely lose so they can build their team into something competitive, how is that cheating? This is a game and it is a strategy. I dont want to spend money on tokens and I dont farm tokens or packs. So I either tank or sit bottom or middle of the pack with an ever decreasing quality team.

    and the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing is knowing that next season you will have a much better team as well as a crapload more reds/blues/greens and tokens because they were not needed. It is a team building strategy that does not use real money. How hard is that to comprehend? Obviously you disagree, but I cant help it if you choose to ignore the obvious facts on the matter.

    Face it Bubba, its NOT cheating. ....!
    Well I guess the balance is pretty close, people who think its ok and people who dont. Personally, I think its a form of cheating. Thats my personal opinion, and the opinion of many others. But as I say, many people think it's not, so mebbies this is a situation we can agree to disagree....
    But it's not cheating to buy tokens if you want, just because there are fools in the world who want to throw there money away, doesnt make it cheating. I mean you cant say Man U are cheating because they have more money than, say, West ham, and like to throw is away on idiots.

    I guess if you buy correctly, look for the right players, yes there is always some duds, but more often than not, if you're smart in the transfer market, you can find good players that play well for many seasons. I have never been out of the top 2 positions in the league at the end of the season, so always being competitive. The CL and Cup i shrug my shoulders, especially the cup, even if you do have a far superior team, it's still a lottery most of the time. Anyhoo the league is the most important to win.

    So it is possible to be competitive 'every' season, without tanking or buying tokens....but I guess 'horses for courses'....right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo121 View Post
    Well I guess the balance is pretty close, people who think its ok and people who dont. Personally, I think its a form of cheating. Thats my personal opinion, and the opinion of many others. But as I say, many people think it's not, so mebbies this is a situation we can agree to disagree....
    But it's not cheating to buy tokens if you want, just because there are fools in the world who want to throw there money away, doesnt make it cheating. I mean you cant say Man U are cheating because they have more money than, say, West ham, and like to throw is away on idiots.

    I guess if you buy correctly, look for the right players, yes there is always some duds, but more often than not, if you're smart in the transfer market, you can find good players that play well for many seasons. I have never been out of the top 2 positions in the league at the end of the season, so always being competitive. The CL and Cup i shrug my shoulders, especially the cup, even if you do have a far superior team, it's still a lottery most of the time. Anyhoo the league is the most important to win.

    So it is possible to be competitive 'every' season, without tanking or buying tokens....but I guess 'horses for courses'....right?
    so its not cheating to buy tokens because they are just throwing their money away, but for tankers, they are cheating because they are throwing their time away?

    stop comparing it to real life with ManU and West Ham, since they all spend money regardless of their finances, while the majority of players in this game dont spend any money. In order for your example to be correct, you would have to mention ManU and a rec league team that plays for free. and that never happens...ever, so your point is invalid.

    and while tanking is cheating being your personal opinion, it is hardly the opinion of many others. It is the opinion of a few people, frankly because it is not cheating. but you can make up any numbers you want to when you live in a fantasy land.

    I have been on this forum for over 2 years and the majority know it is not cheating. But whatever makes you sleep better at night I guess.

    Simply put: tanking is NOT cheating. you are wrong. no need to agree to disagree.