How does captaincy affect your player and team?

[Amane Ito]

So my friend Amane, I wonder in which way you 're making experiments ?

Friendly doesn't do it. Friendly is incompetitive, the effect of it is similar to training which means the form will natually improve if you play friendly games. Even a bad form player will get his form fixed in a few games, making the test invalid.

In order to keep a player in low form, he must keep playing as much competitive games as possible so that there is no chance for his motivation to recover.

Another problem of a low form player is that he have negative effect on other player's form even when he is not the captain. But if you name him the captain, the result is so disastrous it is difficult to miss.

I had entire seasons dedicated to experiments as I refused to use a single token for a period of 10 seasons.

[Gert Funck]

Friendly doesn't do it. Friendly is incompetitive, the effect of it is similar to training which means the form will natually improve if you play friendly games. Even a bad form player will get his form fixed in a few games, making the test invalid.

In order to keep a player in low form, he must keep playing as much competitive games as possible so that there is no chance for his motivation to recover.

Another problem of a low form player is that he have negative effect on other player's form even when he is not the captain. But if you name him the captain, the result is so disastrous it is difficult to miss.

I had entire seasons dedicated to experiments as I refused to use a single token for a period of 10 seasons.

I would like to know what you base this, in may view invented, premisses and hidden attributes for the game?

In my opinion you are putting personal emotions and real life parameters into a game, that is by fare not that complex

[nikolgiorgos]

So I've asked this questions here and got only vague answers. Someone believes it doesn't matter at all, someone thinks otherwise.

yes, there are many things that cannot be answered (only by the developers/programers of game - but don't expect such thing), so everyone has a point of view by his experience from the game.
I rather agree with Khris, that maybe there few factors that affect the game but this is only a percent of 1-2-3% (?) so it's not easy observe this. Specially if consider the formation & orders which has a big effect in the process of the game as also a roll dice.
My recently experience from this season was that after the star of team, my ST, Neymar, lost his form in the beginning of the season, I set as captain my 2nd best player, my AML Eder. The team is keeping winning, EDER didn't lost his form and Neymar got his form back.

I don't know if it happened when I benched him for few games or when I bought another (good performer) ST Zardel and they did a perfect duo.
Well, that's the game

[pcmacdaniel]

It's better to have a team captain and have it not matter than have not have a team captain and it does matter!

That said, from my experience I haven't noticed anything to convince me beyond a reasonable doubt that having a captain does matter. I didn't appoint a team captain until level 9, when reading a different thread on this topic.

[bridgy]

In my experience with 5 teams, there is one definite effect of captaincy: if you sell a player on your captain list (even if he is 4th or 5th down the list) your team gets terrible form. And removing him from the list just before selling doesn't help. My hunch is he needs to be off captain list for 1 or 2 competitive games but I don't want to test this too much since it means I sell all my good players and have terrible form...

No I don't have *hard* evidence but it always seemed to happen to my teams over the last 10 seasons.

[Jult52]

I read Amane's comments on the impacts of captains on team play a few months ago and since then have been paying close to attention to selection and performance of captains. On the basis of my experience. I believe the captain can have a significant impact on overall team performance. Because the influences on team performance are so complex and variable, this is not a testable proposition in the scientific sense. It seems closer to an Economics or Psychology hypothesis.

My reason for believing Amane is on to something are three outlier games. In two cases, my team played sensationally well against high quality opponents matched by an 8 level performance by the team captain. In the third example, I was experiencing unexpected issues beating an inferior team at home until I made a mid-game sub of the captain replacing him with a new captain. The first captain had been performing at a mediocre level (6) and the new one came in and performed very well (an 8). After I had made the substitution, my team cleaned its act up and won the game convincingly.

None of this is definitive, but to me it strongly suggests Amane's is right.

An open question I have is selecting the position of the captain. I have no view on how that relates to ones tactics.

[nikolgiorgos]

I read Amane's comments on the impacts of captains on team play a few months ago and since then have been paying close to attention to selection and performance of captains.

I read that too. I tried in another team I have in lv1 (for friendlies and experiments) which I 'm struggling to keep it in the same lv.
(did that last season)
Tanking is harder than you think, specially in first levels playing against newbies. So I thought instead of using illegal formations and players oop (with the danger of cards and injuries) to set my captain the worst player. Didn't help
Nothing like using as GK someone else oop (but if your oppo does the same, no result).

Amane, if you want, you can try this experiment with a new team.

In order to keep a player in low form, he must keep playing as much competitive games as possible so that there is no chance for his motivation to recover.

Some more tips from my experience :
-There is no (hidden) motivation.
-Bad form of a player is random and can hit like a disease any player of the team. This has nothing to do with playing many games. If a player is giving many matches then his form going (naturally) as a wave. Some games a 8, some 7, some 6 and so.
-A rate of 6 isn't so bad for a GK ,DMC or MC but it's really bad for an AM or ST.
- I had players that played 3 seasons without being in bad form (I mean continually rates of 4 or 5) even if they participate at most of the games. That's why I use only one GK every season. There is no need if he is good player, fast trainer and being in a good team.

[Amane Ito]

The problem don't lies on how many matchs a player played, but the ratio of match vs training. The best form is maintained through a healthy balance between them, in order to keep the motivation value stable.

If you can use the same keeper for two competitive games a day, and his form never dropped below 7, you must have used green packs on him. If you didn't, you will suffer a bad form GK. Same as other positions.

Form 6 MC isn't that bad but they are rubbish compared to form 7 MCs. MC is the most demanding position in the game which make them suffer the most injuries, cards etc.

Unstable form is usually created by sudden form drop from a rare random event. In such case heavy drop in morale can been seen, when this happen and it could be fixed by using morale pack, the form will stay normal as if the unusual form drop never happened.

[Gert Funck]

The problem don't lies on how many matchs a player played, but the ratio of match vs training. The best form is maintained through a healthy balance between them, in order to keep the motivation value stable.

If you can use the same keeper for two competitive games a day, and his form never dropped below 7, you must have used green packs on him. If you didn't, you will suffer a bad form GK. Same as other positions.

Form 6 MC isn't that bad but they are rubbish compared to form 7 MCs. MC is the most demanding position in the game which make them suffer the most injuries, cards etc.

Unstable form is usually created by sudden form drop from a rare random event. In such case heavy drop in morale can been seen, when this happen and it could be fixed by using morale pack, the form will stay normal as if the unusual form drop never happened.

Again there is no motivtion factor.

Where do you get the casualty between rating and injury or rating and cards.

if carded the player is rated lower, not the other way around

I don't belive that rating from previous matches affects injury risk in any way.

What affect ratings however is if the player have had game changing influence, like many saves, assist, goals, card etc. Things in present game, not previous.

[Sully]

If you can use the same keeper for two competitive games a day, and his form never dropped below 7, you must have used green packs on him. If you didn't, you will suffer a bad form GK. Same as other positions.

duh, green packs have no effect on anything except to raise condition. If you dont raise condition, you run a greater risk of injury as well as being more tired than your opposition. It does not necessarily mean form will drop, but I will make sure to watch this next time I play 2 in a day. problem is they are putting games at the min 3 hours apart lately.