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After so many fails I finally win my second CL, and it was even better because it was against a formation the I struggle a lot, narrow 4-3-3. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/24/d91b225641689ee662cb8c6bcfcfdf6a.jpg[/IMG]http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...ab51369a87.jpg[/IMG][/IMG]
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What were the tactics that you used against the 4-3-3?
I used 4-4-2 c hard defensive, down both flanks, own half, zonal, mixed pass, hard tackling, no counter attack, no offiside, red arrows Mr, ML, blue arrows MCS.
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4-3-3 how many memories :rolleyes:
Congratz^^ :D
Thanks. I expected another formation. Strange how 4-4-2 classic has beaten 4-3-3. Usually, the 3 CM and 3 ST combo beats the 4-4-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
It seems that these unusual orders that you have used made the difference.
FVS0777, what level and which server are you on?
I'm level 13 I need to check my server, I play same formation later on the league against 4-3-3 and won again the opponent was a bit stronger.
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Thanks for having shared this information. I had difficulties against 4-3-3 (or modified 4-3-3). What you shared could be helpful for me in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
Did you proved a 4-1-4-1? as 4-3-3 manager this always was a problem for me... then4-4-2... and now I see that a different defense in style DL-DC-DC-DC-XX work against 3 ST's... thats how I faced the 3-4-3 today in CL and too worked some days ago using a 4-4-2 to face 3 ST'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
I read some orders posts that the problem against 4-3-3 its if u play defensive u can't try use counter attack this way u get many goals, both teams I played against had very few shoots on target.
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I try 4-1-4-1 few times and lost always, my standard formation its 4-4-2c so I think in stronger like that.
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I have not tried this formation because of the lack of a proper MR in my team. But, given all the difficulties I had against 4-3-3 in the past, it is likely that I will buy players next season to be able to use 4-1-4-1, 4-4-2 and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
It has more to do with the orders. Maybe you did not use the best orders for 4-1-4-1 to counter 4-3-3, but you got the orders right for the 4-4-2 against 4-3-3. It depends also on what orders the opponent use.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
Also, it seems that some teams play better using a particular formation, as if it is related to the club (not the players). This should not be case, but there is a possibility that it is.
Khris, what exactly did you use against 3-4-3? This is another formation that has caused me difficulties.
I played twice against a modified 4-3-3 using counter attacks, and I lost 2-0 and 3-1. The goals seemed to come out of nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
Here the last post have a pic of what happened in this match lol... I was able to win against a L20 been L19 for the training I've done in my team really...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
4 min' before the match I changed the classic defense of 4 DL-DC-XX-DC-DR for this other without DR and really Rozomashvili did a great work in defense... then she, because I faced a girl had the chances and possession and thats why I changed Cocu from MC to DMC
http://forum.topeleven.com/team-show...tml#post355599
yeah i still use 3-4-3 flat or 3-3w-1-2 vs 4-3-3 never seen 4-4-2 beat it
Her team managed to score 2 goals though despite that you had a legend DC at the back and better quality on average. This indicates that the formation and/or orders used may not be a good counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
What are the orders that you used for 3-4-3 and 3-3W-1-2 for playing against 4-3-3?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoofDaddy
I don't know how to see my server LOL,
I assure you than 1 legend can not guarantee anything, but well, only important for me is that won lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
T11 is not a game of guarantees bro', the formation is much less important than the internal %'s of the players, thats why I don' belive in counters.. and well, T11 = superiority never guaranteed :3
I do believe in counter formations but, don't really trust them, I try to use many times the counter formations and it didn't work. But it doesn't mean it wont work to others.
About the percentage effectiveness, I think this varies with time. For e.g, a percentage effectiveness may be applied to your team for a certain period, and then another is applied for another period and so on. This period may be of any duration- half a match, a full match, 1 day, 10 days or even a season. It is different with the individual percentage effectiveness of players as it is applied to the whole teamQuote:
Originally Posted by khris
For sure, if it is there, it will affect the results significantly. For e.g, a 5 star team with 60% effectiveness will be actually a 3 star team on the pitch. So, you may have indication what is causing the so called 'troll' results.
what did you say to your friends?
Counter formations only work with the right orders. But the selection of right orders depends on the opponents orders (and maybe quality) too, not only his formation. So, the rights orders may vary, but the formation may be the same. Hence, tables of counter formations can only be used as a guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
are you in the computer? can you go to the command prompt? then you have to writte the word "netstat" + intro, and will appear the connections to the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
1 line will start with h88- and finish with XX-1935, the XX is the server.
edited: here the info
http://forum.topeleven.com/groups/of...me-server.html
Open Command Prompt, type netstat and press enter. Allow the list to appear. Find the line where there is something like this: h88-150-217-*:1935. The server number is the figure between the 217 and the :1935.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
attacking whole pitch pressing, offside trap, mixed or flanks for 3-4-3, middle or mixed for 3-4-1-2, i usually leave counters off unless i have over 65% possession and am not scoring. The other variables are to your preference and require some insight as to what orders you believe your opponent to be using.
Khris how to do on Macbook pro?
ahhh lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
ok I see here, for Mac :
Cómo abrir la linea de comandos en un Mac: 4 pasos
Open the Finder, Applications , Utilities, and then go to Terminal... then I think that the command is the same...
Thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoofDaddy
Thats what I found. h88-150-217-214
The server number is 214.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
Thank you man, are any of u on this Server too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
I'm in the 95 and the 57 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FVS0777
Ok Guys got to go.