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Mine AM and ST stats.
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Alvaro Morata is sub in my team and I often use V formations, so those AM's are usually wings although they can play AMC.
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this is my front line in Tigran, my team playing in lv2 (it's in semi-finals of CH.L. & Cup and 2nd in League)
The first two players, are common TM players (one is an ex-nordgen and the other ex-scout list player).
I bought them with 2-3 token :o
The other four are nordgens.
Zindros & Samaras (with a natural 1-1) bought as ST but as they were failing, I made the wingers.
When I put them as ST (as a pair with Mavros or someone else), they 're failing.
Their good stat are from winger position.
So that's my solution :o
Mavros stats, are fake. He scores in some easy games again very week or abandoned teams but when playing some serious games, he got a 7 and no goal (90%) unless he scores from F-K & penalty. I made him my kicker, to give him some good stats.
At least he is good in free-kicks.
Xpanagis looks like a great player, multi positions, shadow striker, 33 goals with 17 assists and 10 man of the match, still only 20 years old.
I looked at the top scorers list and there's only 1 striker in it and he's bottom of the pile. Most AMCs are goal scorers now.
an update of this thread, one season after
Time for a little analysis about attackers. I ‘m gonna show the attackers from my teams.
Those are from TIGRAN, a lv2 team which is wealthy but I want to keep it and play as a 5* team.
This is one of my personal challenges of the game, to win a treble with a 5* team.
Now it’s 1st in the league (it’s secure) and playing semi finals in CH.L. and Cup.
Those first four players are nordgen (fast trainers).
XPANAGIS, playing usually as AMR-AML, the best attacker of the team. Sudden strike sa is working perfect for him.
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SAMARAS, a ST I bought with “natural” sa one-to-one. He didn’t work well as ST, so I gave him AML. He is very good winger and free-kick specialist (from the left side). Some times when I set him as ST or 2nd ST (playing 3-5-2V), he gets the usual 7 and no goal.
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MAVROS, my main ST. His stats looks much better than he ‘s playing – lol.
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When he is playing vs weak teams (and I have a lot of those teams as opponents), ok.
He can’t score in one-to-one, only when he’s getting an assist from his team mates (corners, free-kick, passing). In games with good defense and GK, he gets a 7 and no goal.
He is also very good free-kick specialist from the right side. Almost half of his goals are coming from free-kicks.
SIDERIS is another fast trainer, ST, I bought this season. He couldn’t perform as ST, so I gave him AMR + sudden strike position. He performs excellent as winger. When I use him as ST, he gets a 7 and no goal.
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JACKSON, is my back-up ST. His stats are better than he ‘s performing. When he ‘s playing vs weak teams with domination scores, he is scoring 1-2 goals. Playing as a 2nd ST or vs good defense, he gets a 7 and no goal. Gonna be sold in the end of the season, I hope for a good price.
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My other team RINOKEROS, playing in lv5, it’s a 35T team.
This season, I decided to buy for 1st time 3 fast trainers.
I saved some green and reds from previous seasons (because I didn’t training my players at all), so for the fun of the game, decided to spend some.
I ‘m first in my league but with 2 other teams very close, playing also in CH.L. final 8 and in Cup semi-finals.
Those are my attackers
SUNDE is my AMR winger (I don’t use him as MR), a solid player I bought from the market this season.
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BORJA is my AML winger, it’s the “flag” of the team, a unique player, scoring a lot, also from free-kicks, passing, even if he is now a 3* player.
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MARADONA is the fast trainer I bought and gave him another extra position to make him all around winger. Another good and solid player.
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BATISTUTA is a fast trainer and my main ST. After testing him in two friendly games, I also gave free-kick sa (maybe wrong decision, he doesn’t have it). He is scoring only in some easy games with domination scores. Against good defenses he gets a 7 and no goal. Too bad for his name-lol
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CUVEJDEAN is my second ST, another lousy ST who gets 7 and no goal. I just keep him as a back-up, or a tree trunk I can set in my attack. The logic saying that I should sell him and find some other ST from the market, but no. This is what I was doing previous seasons, changing STs without any result , just spending my token. As the wingers are scoring, I just have one ST for filling the squad and not playing with “illegal” formation.
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My third team is NIK FC, playing in lv17, it’s 1st in a very difficult league, playing also in CH.L. and Cup semi finals.
Those are the atatckers
WILLIAN, is my main left winger, is the star of the team. A fast trainer, very solid player, scoring a lot (top scorer in my league). Not much to say.
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ZAGALLO, is my back up AML. He is a fast trainer, I wanted to use him in more games so I gave also ST position because as a winger he is a good scorer – but not as ST. When he is playing as ST, he gets a 7 and no goal.
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RONALDINHO is a fast trainer I bought as ST. He can’t score so I gave him also AMR and AML positions. He is playing very good, usually as AMR, and as pair with WILLIAN playing very good. Both are top rated in my league. When I use him as ST, he gets a 7 and no goal.
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RAMIRES is a fast trainer also. I bought him as MR with natural “dribbler” sa. I thought he could be good as a winger too but he can’t score so I use him as a MC too (or MR if playing 4-1-4-1).
** So , I bought another AMR-MR. I ‘ll see how it’s gonna be.
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BARROS is a ST I bought from the market and I spend some good t for that. All wasted. When playing, he gets a 7 and no goal. Only in one game he played well. Just have him for back up. Gonna be sold in the end of the season.
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DA SILVA is a fast trainer I bought. He can’t perform as ST. I tested him as AMR in one game and it seems that this is going to be his new position if I ‘ll decide to keep him in my team.
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There is no point trying to find some other ST. This is another fast trainer I bought in the beginning of the season and I sold him after some bad performances.
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So, I ‘m trying to write some observations (or tips) I had so far – it’s personal and I ‘m not sure if everything is right.
- ST position isn’t working – at least as few seasons before. Before that, it was also difficult but after some tries you could find some good or descent players.
-It’s not the players fault or “bad” program. When I give my STs new position as wingers, they ‘re playing good and score a lot.
- Also some STs I have are good in free-kicks but not in one-to-one.
- STs can perform good (and score 2-3 goals) vs weaker or abandoned teams where I have domination score but doing the usual performance of 7 and no goal vs good teams with 5* defenders. At least some time they’re giving assists to their team mates so they can get a rate of 8 instead of 7.
-Opponent defenders have the usual performances with rates of 7-8, nothing changed to that, but oppo GK are really spectacular. In older seasons if a GK made 5 or more saves in a game, it was a great performance but now is very common. I play two games, in three competitions and almost every day, in one game, oppo GK has 5 or more saves :eek:. The record of this season is 12 – LOL.
So, oppo GKs seems to have an advantage vs STs (possibly in one to one situations)
Bicycle kick of course is a movement that a STs has a 100% fail.
-Most of the players in top rated scorers of the leagues aren’t STs.
- STs of my opponents also have bad-mediocre stats.
- In the transfer market, things are worse.
-People who ‘re playing the game with the live animation, mention a lot of times that STs when have the ball in front of the GK, giving pass to another team player or just in the corner – lol. So, maybe it was a change of the program, when the new app started. :rolleyes:
- If you find a fast trainer, who ‘s failing to perform as ST, give him a winger position.
- Adding also “sudden strike” sa, looks like a much better investment than “one to one”.
- It seems that increasing the quality of a ST is not enough to perform better. :confused:
- Also using 2 or 3 STs in a game doesn’t help.
- When I was playing vs teams with no players in the flanks (MR-L, AMR-L) 4-4-2 ND or 4-3-3, used to set a 3-5-2V. Now I prefer to use my extra player in MC or AMC position - 3-6-1V.
- Also tried a “park the bus” formation in a game 3-7V, no ST at all. I won but it was a weak team. Maybe to search more about this.
- I was talking with a fb friend and told me that he had an academy player, 21T, ST and he was thinking to sign and train him to 7* (he has about 400 greens).
Told him, not to waste his T and greens for a ST junior. If it was for another position, ok, but now for what ? To play for a 7 and no goal every second game ?
- And of course don’t buy a scout list Striker :o
Any other ideas ?
Agree with 100% with all that, this season after having some problems with my team that always play wide with 1 max 2 I changed for a game or 2 to ND and a mixed of ND one of my strikers show a bit of improvement on performance scored some goal and had an 8 rating, but that was very little and next games back to square, so I had this player aml/amc and I training him as striker too and also shadow striker he was great at the beginning of the season while I used him as aml, after used him 2 or 3 games as striker he started to perform bad and even as aml he wasn't good so I didn't use him anymore as St and he is good again, best thing to do as you said not to invest in the strikers stick with some average one just to fill the position and wait until they get well again, which I believe it will soon.
I got a fast trainer for my second team. Trained him to 7 stars with free kick ability. His start was spectacular. Second half he dropped a lot in scoring. Right now he is at 36 games, 36 goals and 14 assists. Not bad, but after his first 20 games or so he was already at 26 goals and 10 assists.
My main team has a 6 star striker and a 6 star striker with 1on1 sa. 6 star striker with 1on1 has 38 games, 14 goals and 5 assists. The other striker has 38 games with 5 goals and 4 assists. My wingers and MC's are scoring like mad though (in the top 5 of the league) so the mix is good, but the strikers are just weak.
nice stats, I hope he 'll continue that way.Quote:
I got a fast trainer for my second team. Trained him to 7 stars with free kick ability. His start was spectacular. Second half he dropped a lot in scoring. Right now he is at 36 games, 36 goals and 14 assists. Not bad, but after his first 20 games or so he was already at 26 goals and 10 assists.
Meanwhile, yesterday my team NIK won away 3-4. 4 goals in 10 min, all from my midf. players
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My other team Tigran, playing vs weak teams, 11-0 and 8-0. My STs, both with one-to-one sa, just giving assists to my AMs. Not even one goal - LOOOL
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ok nordeus, I can play and win like Barcelona, without classic ST :p
this is so extreme, that it can not be a coincidence :rolleyes:
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in my second leg in the the cup, I won 6-0 as in another league game.
Jackson in the cup game, was giving assists to my wingers.
I subbed him and Mavros, the other ST continued with assist - lol
In the league game, another 6-0, finally Jackson scored - YEAAAAAH
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116 goals scored this season and only 27 of those goals have been scored by my centre forwards.
In the 6 seasons I have been playing the game I think in only one of those seasons was my centre forward the top goalscorer.
On many occasions I've won matches by 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 goals and they'll all be scored by midfielders and defenders.
Hey, they all count no matter who scores the goal!...... but at the same time it's a bit ridiculous.
My six star (almost seven star) one on one striker is still performing mediocre. If I watch the animations I have yet to see him pass a defender. If your striker is a specialist in passing defenders (one on one I guess or is it only against the goal keeper?) then shouldn't he be passing defenders? Even 3-4 star defenders are too dificult for him. Strange stuff.
@Clydebank
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In the 6 seasons I have been playing the game
before you started playing, there was an issue with midf. players.Quote:
but at the same time it's a bit ridiculous.
Usually they got a 6 :p
Now it's ok.
But as then and now with STs, I think it's a good motive to spend some extra T :rolleyes:
from the league of a friend - haha
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i think right now my ST do more assist more than goal -.-~ they sent the ball to someone else even one-on-one =.=!!
I don't have problems with my striker, he is very in form and I am happy to have him.
As you can see he scored 6 goals in one game (and broke a record of 5)
And when I played a friendly he scored a hat trick of free kicks.
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These are his stats:
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Is he scores if playing as ST or AML ?
Is he scores in one-to-one or most of his goals are coming from free-kicks ?
is he scoring vs good quality teams (and good defenders) or scoring vs abandoned-very low q teams 2-3 goals and then disappearing for the next 2-3 games ?
Because that's a situation I have with my ST. Those stats looking good but actually all those 6 and 7 meaning he's doing nothing in the game.
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I mostly use him for ST (I think his all goals are when he was ST) and that team I won with 9:0 was somewhere 10th on the table. He scored once or twice out of his six goals in free kicks, as far as I can remember, and yes he scored against big teams, you can see he scores in CL and Cup
i can't win......all matches is a big troll.i have opportunities but no goal on the game.i'm tired with this ****,i will give up soon
my first ST recommendation player recently playing good...well not scoring every match...but right now he hold the highest assist in my team...my AMR still the 1st scoring player in my team...(he did last season...and he still the 1st scoring this season) (and my 2nd ST recommendation player...still doing bad....)
If you play with 1 ST and 2 winger formations then the striker's scoring in 3 of 4 matches. Recently switched from hexagon to 4-5-1v and I'm yet to lose a match. My starting ST Anis Hendrawan assists or scores at least once per match.
well...i play 1ST with 2 wingers + AMR...the first recommendation ST/AMR...i played in ST...recently no bad at all.... but my 2 recommendation ST/AMC...still suck -.-...no matter i play him in AMC or ST...still cause the team not scoring... (like the CL... first leg without than AMC...won 5:0 in away...today... won 2:0 at home with that AMC~ with procession 80%:20% =.=!! the other team still same formation...same player...he is kind of no fitting in my team.... (and i got my 4th set recommendation 2 days ago...still ST~LOL well...i didn't buy...i don't need another ST/AMR... cause i already have 4 player can play AMR...and 4 can do ST...)
season 75, I played the 1st round of the Cup with my three teams and all my STs scored in both games.
Hmmm, interesting :rolleyes:
From my point of view, the contrary is in evidence.
Four Cup matches:
Palace Casuals
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In this, the opposition striker with the 8.7 rating is the only one to even get close to scoring (he also had an assist).
I'm only going to have 3 ST in my squad this season as opposed to my usual 4. 2 4* leftys and one 3* either footed with height. I intentionally bought a *9 4 star this season so he would train faster and I could get an sa on him quicker. Not wasting my time/tokens searching for that superstar. My midfielders will get goals.
My opponents' strikers seem to have no problem scoring on me ;)
My strikers went dry for five matches before my top rated striker finally scored 2 and earned MOM. Overall, my pure strikers scored 2 goals apiece in 12 and 7 matches respectively. My second striker has not scored in 6 matches since the 9:0 blowout in the first round of the Cup when the other team did not show up. My lower rated but higher performing ST/AMC scored 6: 3 as ST and 3 as AMC in 14 matches.
But here is the thing. My top (pure) striker has 9 assists in 12 matches to go with his 2 goals and was MOM 3 times. He has mostly 8 and 9 rating, but yes, occasional 6 as well.
So, something is definitely off with the strikers, but obviously I would not dream of lining up without them. If anything, they harass the opposing defense enough to give AMs space to operate. It's just weird seeing the stats.
I have a funny striker :)
Yesterday, it was cup semi-final, he got a ball from midfield, run and dribble to go in front of GK (one to one) and instead of kicking to the goal post he pass way back to the left winger and when left winger receive the ball he market by opponent DR (angry)
not once, happen again, one of midfielder pass him (ST) the ball he receive the ball and when face the GK alone again he pass back the ball to same midfielder who pass him before (angry)
I have 3 striker (6*, 5*, 4*), I'm keep switching them but their scoring and assisting ability worse than my defenders :(
my one of dmc and dc, aml, amr are highest scorer and assist :(
A solution i found about the strikers, was to make 3 players ST + AM and make a rotation in their positions so to keep their stats in a good level.
I play with AML-AMR-ST so I switched them from time to time.
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I know, it's expensive to make them like those, You must find young fast trainers and give them extra positions spending a lot of greens but one solution is if you stay in the same level for a season like I did the previous one.
Well, it's being a long time since I made a post here so time to bring it on again.
This season, my League is full of weak teams of 2-3*.
Did well in the first round
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no complain about that, but wth my ST isn't at top 5 scorers ? (yeah, I know :p )
Bought him, renamed him as the old Dutch legend, Johnny Rep, and gave to him "One to one" s.a. - and some extra quality.
This should be enough to beat 3* opponent defenders and GKs - but no.
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So today I started an experiment, giving some extra at Shooting & Finishing and little extra too at Dribbling, Speed, Strength to see how he 'll react in the 2nd round.
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Today in my League game, he scored twice for first time.
I 'll be damned.
Didn't expect that.
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I wonder if it was coincidence or those extra skills helped or switched some button.
I 'll follow up till the end of the League to see what's going on
* I use 4-5-1V, most of the goals come from my AML-AMR and I don't use REP for F-K or penalties.
** Training of REP is here #472
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...ainers-48.html
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New Nordgen strikers are not like the old ones ...
Nordgen = NORDeus GENerated Players whether they are from system or bot teams ...
Aren't all players nordgens after all?
Re. "-Are your AML-C-R scoring but not your ST ?" - See this thread I started 2 years ago:
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-strikers.html
I remember I once saw a "hint" in the game, when I played without strikers at all - it said that strikers' main goal is to keep the defenders busy, or something like that. That kinda explains it. You can try it yourself. By the way, it's one of the achievements, to win without the strikers/
who really need a striker when all the scoring is from your aml/amr. just get the best out of the game and put an average striker.
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