Another proof that the game-engine decides winners before the games

I was to face a really lowly team today. I checked out his formation and I used the counterformation-thread on the forums to find a good formation (PS! it is not the one showed in the picture below!). The players I used average 23* in skills. He had only one player that good, and he was on the bench. His team's average was 16,4* in skills.

8 minutes into the game is GOALIE GETS INJURED. The comments say that "he is unable to continue". So now this team has no goalie between the goalposts and the crazy thing is that he doesn't sub this injured goalie until the 38th minute! That is 38 minute with 10 players and no goalie.


So what happens? My players never hit the target. Despite 7 attempts they manage to hit the goal ONE time (and that was before the goalie's injury)! There is NO GOALIE and my players never manage to get a shot on target. Amazing. Simply amazing :( Even a shot from 30 meters out would be a goal but they don't do it.


How i lost to this guy is beyond me. It is clear that the game had decided that his team was to win so when his goalie got injured and he had nobody standing in goal for 30 minutes, my players were not allowed to shoot. As the game wore on, my players were still unable to hit the target despite being far superior. In fact, his team managed to get a lot more shots than me despite me having more possession.

What is the point in playing Top Eleven when it becomes more and more obvious that many games are decided before they are played? Why should I bother wasting money on this game when it is rigged?
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yeah, blame nordeus blablabla...

You probably should show us formations and both lineups....

i don't understand all these posts about how the game sucks? i've had some real stinkers of results that have almost ruined seasons, but haven't come crying to the forums about it. did premiership aston villa go complaining to the fa when league 2 bradford city knocked them out of the league cup? no, because in football you have bad results. it's annoying and sometimes seems to happen too often, as do the injuries, but it's all part of football.

The game automatically chooses an outfield player to play in goal for the opposition since they did not make a substitution and they still need to play with a GK.

Dont always trust formations put on the forum. Alot of them come from managers who play the game with alot higher quality then the opposition so how can you really judge it. best to try your own formations imo.

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Originally Posted by picworth

i don't understand all these posts about how the game sucks? i've had some real stinkers of results that have almost ruined seasons, but haven't come crying to the forums about it. did premiership aston villa go complaining to the fa when league 2 bradford city knocked them out of the league cup? no, because in football you have bad results. it's annoying and sometimes seems to happen too often, as do the injuries, but it's all part of football.

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Careful...Dont relate to real life... some people will bite lol

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Originally Posted by picworth

did premiership aston villa go complaining to the fa when league 2 bradford city knocked them out of the league cup? no, because in football you have bad results.

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so you are saying that Bradford had an outfield player playing in goal and had 10 players on the field? coz if that is what happened, then you can compare these two situations.

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Originally Posted by July Fourth

The game automatically chooses an outfield player to play in goal for the opposition since they did not make a substitution and they still need to play with a GK.

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in the illegal formations thread, it says that using a non-GK as goalie means that you will be rewarded with having only 20% possession?

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Originally Posted by Broxburn Rovers

Dont always trust formations put on the forum. Alot of them come from managers who play the game with alot higher quality then the opposition so how can you really judge it. best to try your own formations imo.

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I am one of those who does not have a lot higher quality than the opposition. :) Only have a full 5* squad and a few 6*'s developed from 5*'s. :)

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

in the illegal formations thread, it says that using a non-GK as goalie means that you will be rewarded with having only 20% possession?

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Not true, I played against a team playing 4-4-2 with an MC in goal, an MC at leftback, and MCs on the flanks, the possession was 71-29. The players out of position definitely affected it, otherwise he would have put up a fight with a good mix of 4* and 5*, but not to the extent that it's an immediate 80-20.

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

in the illegal formations thread, it says that using a non-GK as goalie means that you will be rewarded with having only 20% possession?

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you can do an experiment that proves that the result is decided in advance. you need to control 2 teams of about same quality. arrange a friendly game between these teams and start 1 team with normal formation and the other with illegal. when the game begins go and switch formations as fast as you can. so the team that begins with normal formation will play for about 80 minutes with illegal and the team who begun with illegal formation will play for 80 minutes with normal. you would expect that the team playing for 80 minutes normal will win but i have done this 4-5 times and always wins the other team. conclusion?

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

you can do an experiment that proves that the result is decided in advance. you need to control 2 teams of about same quality. arrange a friendly game between these teams and start 1 team with normal formation and the other with illegal. when the game begins go and switch formations as fast as you can. so the team that begins with normal formation will play for about 80 minutes with illegal and the team who begun with illegal formation will play for 80 minutes with normal. you would expect that the team playing for 80 minutes normal will win but i have done this 4-5 times and always wins the other team. conclusion?

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I think you could let a slightly stronger team play 80 minutes normal against a weaker team, though. It would prove more if they are unable to win in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by Potemy

I think you could let a slightly stronger team play 80 minutes normal against a weaker team, though. It would prove more if they are unable to win in that scenario.

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how do you count this slight difference, how many points? we don't know how the game engine works. maybe the fact that a stronger team plays against a weaker covers the handicap of the illegal formation. thats why i suggest the teams to be more or less equal

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

how do you count this slight difference, how many points? we don't know how the game engine works. maybe the fact that a stronger team plays against a weaker covers the handicap of the illegal formation. thats why i suggest the teams to be more or less equal

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It doesn't have to be an exact number, just slightly stronger so that they have the advantage to begin with. Home ground advantage will make a difference too.

If the results are indeed decided in advance, then it will make no difference, because we all know teams can be beaten by other teams even a whole star lower on average.

I want to ask the mods to auto close these posts.. It's getting annoying and doesn't contribute to the community. It's just garbish

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

so you are saying that Bradford had an outfield player playing in goal and had 10 players on the field? coz if that is what happened, then you can compare these two situations.

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i am afraid off hand i do not have an example of your exact situation. the point is that what looks 100% certain will not always work out.

I don't see whats wrong :)

i would do that simulation thing someone mentioned... but it seems that not all games , but only some, are decided in advance. This wasn't the case earlier (to this extent) but lately this is happening a lot to many people.

My point with this thread is.... how can a team play with a non-goalie in the goal...and still my superior team gets ZERO shots on goal? I dont care about the outcome of the game...only the goalie and 0 shots thing

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

i would do that simulation thing someone mentioned... but it seems that not all games , but only some, are decided in advance. This wasn't the case earlier (to this extent) but lately this is happening a lot to many people.

My point with this thread is.... how can a team play with a non-goalie in the goal...and still my superior team gets ZERO shots on goal? I dont care about the outcome of the game...only the goalie and 0 shots thing

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top11 just suck :)

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Originally Posted by gkassimis

you can do an experiment that proves that the result is decided in advance. you need to control 2 teams of about same quality. arrange a friendly game between these teams and start 1 team with normal formation and the other with illegal. when the game begins go and switch formations as fast as you can. so the team that begins with normal formation will play for about 80 minutes with illegal and the team who begun with illegal formation will play for 80 minutes with normal. you would expect that the team playing for 80 minutes normal will win but i have done this 4-5 times and always wins the other team. conclusion?

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I played a game where I had an illegal formation without knowing it. I changed it after 10 minutes in the game and I won with 4-0.

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Originally Posted by Leyssens

I want to ask the mods to auto close these posts.. It's getting annoying and doesn't contribute to the community. It's just garbish

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I made a topic a long time ago about this: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...ll-kicked.html

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Originally Posted by Leyssens

I want to ask the mods to auto close these posts.. It's getting annoying and doesn't contribute to the community. It's just garbish

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who is forcing you to read these posts?
Besides...if suddenly many ppl write about the same problems, then isn't that a sign that things have suddenly changed?

Also, my point is not in me losing the game but the fact that my team didnt get a single shot on goal while the other guy had no goalkeeper in goal.

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

who is forcing you to read these posts?
Besides...if suddenly many ppl write about the same problems, then isn't that a sign that things have suddenly changed?

Also, my point is not in me losing the game but the fact that my team didnt get a single shot on goal while the other guy had no goalkeeper in goal.

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He had an outfield player out of position in goal, and we all know how great those can be! (John O'Shea) :)

But seriously, though, someone else went in goal, and I already explained to you earlier that he will not be penalised for that. Were both of you watching the match?

it happened brooo..on wednesday a lot of high team got draw or lost to weak/abandoned teams....i will show you later on the pic of all matches (friend's, mine) i got on that day...

right, see if the results are predetermined then surely the way that the match pans out is too??? Like theyd have known the keeper was going to get injured, there fore you should have won

or do you think they make up the score and then play the game out........... your logic is flawed :D

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

I was to face a really lowly team today. I checked out his formation and I used the counterformation-thread on the forums to find a good formation (PS! it is not the one showed in the picture below!). The players I used average 23* in skills. He had only one player that good, and he was on the bench. His team's average was 16,4* in skills.

8 minutes into the game is GOALIE GETS INJURED. The comments say that "he is unable to continue". So now this team has no goalie between the goalposts and the crazy thing is that he doesn't sub this injured goalie until the 38th minute! That is 38 minute with 10 players and no goalie.


So what happens? My players never hit the target. Despite 7 attempts they manage to hit the goal ONE time (and that was before the goalie's injury)! There is NO GOALIE and my players never manage to get a shot on target. Amazing. Simply amazing :( Even a shot from 30 meters out would be a goal but they don't do it.


How i lost to this guy is beyond me. It is clear that the game had decided that his team was to win so when his goalie got injured and he had nobody standing in goal for 30 minutes, my players were not allowed to shoot. As the game wore on, my players were still unable to hit the target despite being far superior. In fact, his team managed to get a lot more shots than me despite me having more possession.

What is the point in playing Top Eleven when it becomes more and more obvious that many games are decided before they are played? Why should I bother wasting money on this game when it is rigged?
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how that is a prove?!!!

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Originally Posted by Potemy

He had an outfield player out of position in goal, and we all know how great those can be! (John O'Shea) :)

But seriously, though, someone else went in goal, and I already explained to you earlier that he will not be penalised for that. Were both of you watching the match?

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my point isnt that he should be penalized (re: possession). This is my point: in real life, if a far superior team faces an inferior one and the inferior one fields an outfield player in goal for 30 minutes - how likely is it that the superior team gets ZERO shots on goal?
It seems to me that the outcome of the game was decided before hand, and no matter what happens in the game the outcome can't be changed. Hence my players keeps missing the goal (two times from the infamous "a timely pass to X... he must score now").

No if my team had mustered some shots on goal but not scored, it would've been a different story.

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Originally Posted by herdo

right, see if the results are predetermined then surely the way that the match pans out is too??? Like theyd have known the keeper was going to get injured, there fore you should have won

or do you think they make up the score and then play the game out........... your logic is flawed :D

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i wish you had actually read what I've been writing :)
I didn't say that the engine knows what's gonna happen in the game...but that no matter what happens in this game, the outcome seems to have been pre-determined. How else does one explain the fact that a team far superior to the opponent cant get a single shot on goal when the far inferior team has an outfield player as goalie?

Hmmm did you have a lot of shots on goal before and after the outfield player went in goal? What happened during the match for those 30 minutes? Did your total shots increase, but shots on target stay constant?

before the injury (in the 8th minute if i remember correctly), i had 1 shot and it hit the goal.
then came the injury and my players didnt hit the goal at all despite trying to as they made about 6 shots. Two of these 6 shots came from counterattacks where the game said "Timely pass to X. Surely he must score now!".

After the goalie had been switched, my players kept missing the goal until 2nd half began and they finally began hitting the target (but in an extremely limited capacity)

This freakin sucks. Just get a draw in CL against a 16.5 average quality, i'm 26.3. No, he doesn't countered me. I watched the game, he doesn't. My friend came supporting me. My morale and condition were 100%. Please Nordeus, wake up and do something against this totally random results or a lot or players will leave. If inactive/small teams rule the games, they just should tell us, we'll stop working so hard to have a nice team....

Oh, and i forgot : One of his DC was injured at the begining of the 1 half and was not replaced.
This kind of sh*t happen too much, and i really ask myself why i try to have a better team. I just really want to stop.

Another game like that, and i'll stop too, like a lot of players did lately.

Look at his team : Seriously?

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Maybe after the outfield player went in goal, the team packed their defence to protect him, thus limiting the space for your players to get into shooting positions.

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Originally Posted by hullabaloo

my point isnt that he should be penalized (re: possession). This is my point: in real life, if a far superior team faces an inferior one and the inferior one fields an outfield player in goal for 30 minutes - how likely is it that the superior team gets ZERO shots on goal?
It seems to me that the outcome of the game was decided before hand, and no matter what happens in the game the outcome can't be changed. Hence my players keeps missing the goal (two times from the infamous "a timely pass to X... he must score now").

No if my team had mustered some shots on goal but not scored, it would've been a different story.





i wish you had actually read what I've been writing :)
I didn't say that the engine knows what's gonna happen in the game...but that no matter what happens in this game, the outcome seems to have been pre-determined. How else does one explain the fact that a team far superior to the opponent cant get a single shot on goal when the far inferior team has an outfield player as goalie?

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I did read what you wrote! You think they decide the score then play the game? Its all predetermined!