my thoughts on the new desktop version

OK, lets get one thing straight: I hate to admit it but I like this new version for a few reasons.

1) Training. I like it. I really like it. Its like a game within a game and the training actually makes sense now.
2) the look. You cannot say that it does not look better. It actually does not look like a cheapass DOS game anymore.
3) Gifting is much easier now. end of.
4) everything is a bit easier now.
5) it loads much faster when it disconnects and faster overall.

What I dont like about it is the removal of being able to assign skill points, but at the end of the day, this was about being able to tank and assign SP to the categories that I wanted to make a better player. Apparently you can do that with the new training, so this old assigning of skill points argument might be rendered moot. I will take a season to see how this affects my players and results.

Also I can still intentionally lose a game it seems. That is good as I believe I will still be able to tank to save on tokens and packs.

I play with 5 accounts. I had a bitch of a time finding 5 browsers that support Unity so I could have them all open at the same time and not have to deal with passwords and changing accounts etc.

Opera, Firefox, Avant, Vivaldi and Yandex all work. Waterfox does too but you cant have Firefox and Waterfox open at same time.
Apparently MS Edge does support it when you upgrade to Win 10, but I have not yet tried.

I have still not bought or sold any players and cannot comment on the system as it is. I do have to say that I am a bit upset and not being able to see the team of the manager I want to buy a player through negotiations. I used to use that to be able to judge how many tokens to offer and whether or not my offer had a good chance to be accepted. I did not make offers for players where the manager only had one player for a specific position because the odds of getting him were zero to none if you didnt offer 20 tokens. Nordeus needs to add this back to the game.

Overall, I have to grudgingly admit that I like the new version. I went in kicking and screaming and have decided to delay quitting....for at least a season.

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Originally Posted by Sully

Apparently MS Edge does support it when you upgrade to Win 10, but I have not yet tried.

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Unfortunately MS Edge does not. I got a 'Please Update Your Browser' message - as I've just upgraded to W10 Pro (it was free, y'know) I do have the latest version...

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everything is a bit easier now.

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disagree with that. I spend double the time with so much scrolling.

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I play with 5 accounts

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I play with 3 accounts, with opera, chrome, firefox and if I have them all active, my lap top is boiling.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

disagree with that. I spend double the time with so much scrolling.
I play with 3 accounts, with opera, chrome, firefox and if I have them all active, my lap top is boiling.

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get a better laptop. I have i7 64bit with 8GB RAM. 6 browsers open at all times with excel and skype. not as fast as i want but i survive.

still a bit of scrolling but if thats the worst of your issues, then you dont have much to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Sully

get a better laptop. I have i7 64bit with 8GB RAM. 6 browsers open at all times with excel and skype. not as fast as i want but i survive.

still a bit of scrolling but if thats the worst of your issues, then you dont have much to complain about.

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Well, the thing is, a person would not be willing to shell out about ₹40,000-50,000 (£400-500) for what is an online game.

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Originally Posted by Arion

Well, the thing is, a person would not be willing to shell out about ₹40,000-50,000 (£400-500) for what is an online game.

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i won't spend money, i just enjoy the game, if the game goes worse~ i quit~(and maybe very soon because the new training system force to use tons of green packs, if not using, team lost the matches....it cost at least 50 green packs before each matches...this is stupid move!)

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Originally Posted by Arion

Well, the thing is, a person would not be willing to shell out about ₹40,000-50,000 (£400-500) for what is an online game.

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I have a i5, 64 bit, with 4GB RAM and nvidia 1GB graphic card.
Buying something more powerful for a fb game ?
LOL

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I have a i5, 64 bit, with 4GB RAM and nvidia 1GB graphic card.
Buying something more powerful for a fb game ?
LOL

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I am an IT Consultant. I need a fast computer for work. Doesnt hurt to use it for this game.

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

i won't spend money, i just enjoy the game, if the game goes worse~ i quit~(and maybe very soon because the new training system force to use tons of green packs, if not using, team lost the matches....it cost at least 50 green packs before each matches...this is stupid move!)

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I think I have spent 3 greens in the new training in 4 days with 5 accounts. if you time things properly, you dont have to use greens in training. I really only use greens in between games on the same day, and then only if I cant use my other players.

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Originally Posted by talisman

Unfortunately MS Edge does not. I got a 'Please Update Your Browser' message - as I've just upgraded to W10 Pro (it was free, y'know) I do have the latest version...

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Seconded, I'm running Edge in Win10 and the game defaults to the old version.
I pointed this out somewhere else and all I was told was "Update Edge"
Now I'm not sure if the Nordeus guys are aware of this, but by and large Win 10 updates everything automatically overnight, which is a pain in the butt when you are downloading a freaking huge file and your PC restarts :(

I have 2 teams, one is playing in FireFox in the new version, one is playing in Edge in the old, I'll be darned if I download another browser just to allow me to play both in the new.

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Originally Posted by Sully

I think I have spent 3 greens in the new training in 4 days with 5 accounts. if you time things properly, you dont have to use greens in training. I really only use greens in between games on the same day, and then only if I cant use my other players.

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well... if you do the very light training... than you don't need green pack.... but even the problem is everytime i did that, i lost the next match....i lost 2 league even my team is the better Q like Q 68 vs Q59 -60.... and both lost 3:1 ..... but when i just a very hard training (use more than 50 green pack) ... i won the match ... in the CUP, i won 6:0 facing LV 10..(i am LV 9) with the same Q, 7 stars as my team~

and also, the 3 hr recover rate for 6% is still too too too low~~ i just did 5 drill in one training ...already take 12%.... and that need 6 hrs.... and if i have 3 matches a day.... how can it works??? (as i said i did the light training...just 2-3 easy drill in one training( and need two section for better preparation)..and i lost all the following games...)

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Originally Posted by Gwyndster

Seconded, I'm running Edge in Win10 and the game defaults to the old version.
I pointed this out somewhere else and all I was told was "Update Edge"
Now I'm not sure if the Nordeus guys are aware of this, but by and large Win 10 updates everything automatically overnight, which is a pain in the butt when you are downloading a freaking huge file and your PC restarts :(

I have 2 teams, one is playing in FireFox in the new version, one is playing in Edge in the old, I'll be darned if I download another browser just to allow me to play both in the new.

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All they have to do is stop providing the flash version and your account playing on the old system will fail to work. you will be forced to use the new version at some point in the near future, so might as well prepare for it. I did it, kicking and screaming, but I did it. so can you.

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

well... if you do the very light training... than you don't need green pack.... but even the problem is everytime i did that, i lost the next match....i lost 2 league even my team is the better Q like Q 68 vs Q59 -60.... and both lost 3:1 ..... but when i just a very hard training (use more than 50 green pack) ... i won the match ... in the CUP, i won 6:0 facing LV 10..(i am LV 9) with the same Q, 7 stars as my team~

and also, the 3 hr recover rate for 6% is still too too too low~~ i just did 5 drill in one training ...already take 12%.... and that need 6 hrs.... and if i have 3 matches a day.... how can it works??? (as i said i did the light training...just 2-3 easy drill in one training( and need two section for better preparation)..and i lost all the following games...)

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HUH??? training has nothing to do with game results in the way you mention.

I do heavy training every day. without using greens. After my last game of the day, I calculate how much condition I will get before the next game and train my players down to that condition. If I have 6 condition bonuses of 6% every 3 hours, that is 36%. I have to make sure my guys are at 63% condition so I dont waste any of the condition bonus and have to waste greens. 36% from my guys sitting at 99% is a lot of heavy training. even after the last game my lowest guys are sitting around 72%, so thats still a good training session.

You really need to learn how to train.

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Originally Posted by Sully

OK, lets get one thing straight: I hate to admit it but I like this new version for a few reasons.

1) Training. I like it. I really like it. Its like a game within a game and the training actually makes sense now.
2) the look. You cannot say that it does not look better. It actually does not look like a cheapass DOS game anymore.
3) Gifting is much easier now. end of.
4) everything is a bit easier now.
5) it loads much faster when it disconnects and faster overall.

What I dont like about it is the removal of being able to assign skill points, but at the end of the day, this was about being able to tank and assign SP to the categories that I wanted to make a better player. Apparently you can do that with the new training, so this old assigning of skill points argument might be rendered moot. I will take a season to see how this affects my players and results.

Also I can still intentionally lose a game it seems. That is good as I believe I will still be able to tank to save on tokens and packs.

I play with 5 accounts. I had a bitch of a time finding 5 browsers that support Unity so I could have them all open at the same time and not have to deal with passwords and changing accounts etc.

Opera, Firefox, Avant, Vivaldi and Yandex all work. Waterfox does too but you cant have Firefox and Waterfox open at same time.
Apparently MS Edge does support it when you upgrade to Win 10, but I have not yet tried.

I have still not bought or sold any players and cannot comment on the system as it is. I do have to say that I am a bit upset and not being able to see the team of the manager I want to buy a player through negotiations. I used to use that to be able to judge how many tokens to offer and whether or not my offer had a good chance to be accepted. I did not make offers for players where the manager only had one player for a specific position because the odds of getting him were zero to none if you didnt offer 20 tokens. Nordeus needs to add this back to the game.

Overall, I have to grudgingly admit that I like the new version. I went in kicking and screaming and have decided to delay quitting....for at least a season.

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I have quite different opinions to the new game.

I like old simple training. I like spending less time on training. Manual control sp is special feature and it encourage me understanding more about qualities of my players. New training may not be bad but it's not my taste.

I am neutral to style of the new look, but don't like its design. Generally, too much scrolling is required. The new manual always show less information than the previous version e.g. live match ratings of 2 teams cannot be shown in one screen. More clicks are required. There are also more levels of menus. I often need more clicks to move deep to find data I want. The value of condition, quality are not directly shown in many menus, but with color bars. I need to move to another menus to view and directly view individual player profile to get these information. Displaying qualities in percentages may not be bad but I don't like this as old user who is familiar with quality values.

With my old, 2G RAM PC with slow connection, the game is simply too slow and need all computer resources to run it.

In my PC, the game can run in Chrome, but not in Firefox. I cannot install any more browser. So now I solely manage 1 team with old version, and I use old version and new version (generally for some training only) for another team.

I don't use much new system to buy & sell players. But lack of filtering make me hard to find players I need. Moreover, in new system, I am still not sure when my players will add a new star. And some of my players were suddenly added a new star and lost their marketability.

There are other areas I don't like. I cannot list them all. But at this moment, I just feel prohibit me to train a players with in auction or with a pending nego offer is not reasonable, though I know why they set this limit.

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Originally Posted by Sully

HUH??? training has nothing to do with game results in the way you mention.

I do heavy training every day. without using greens. After my last game of the day, I calculate how much condition I will get before the next game and train my players down to that condition. If I have 6 condition bonuses of 6% every 3 hours, that is 36%. I have to make sure my guys are at 63% condition so I dont waste any of the condition bonus and have to waste greens. 36% from my guys sitting at 99% is a lot of heavy training. even after the last game my lowest guys are sitting around 72%, so thats still a good training session.

You really need to learn how to train.

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That, is precisely the system I use, and I like the new training system because I can pretty much guarantee to train someone down to the point where they will be fully fit next match. Previously, it was rather hit and miss and if you were down to 60% with your game in 24 hours you either had to drop to 57% or less, or waste that last 1% - yes I am that tight in training.
The downsides are:
Doing so means you sometimes miss out on the bonuses, but I'm not going to boost lots of players just to get the bonus.
I sometimes have to train defenders in more "attack" skills than I normally would, and attackers in more "defence" skills, only time will tell if this is an improvement.
I'm keeping an eye on the team to see how it works out.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

disagree with that. I spend double the time with so much scrolling.

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Thats so true .... I hate scrolling on desktop ...

which brings me to my next points:

1) the transfer list filter is gone. I did use that alot as it saves time searching for players. They need to add that.
2) comparison button only compares the guy you see with your best guy at that position??? I was looking at a DR/DMR and wanted to compare him to my DR/DMR but it kept bring up my DC/DR who is my best defender. That needs to be addressed because otherwise it is a waste.
3) I STILL hate this % crap. Still trying to work on that spreadsheet.

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Originally Posted by Markus Tröszter

Thats so true .... I hate scrolling on desktop ...

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O boo hoo hoo. really? scrolling is your biggest beef?

If you don't have a mouse with a scroll wheel or are still using a laptop touchpad.....

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Originally Posted by Markus Tröszter

Thats so true .... I hate scrolling on desktop ...

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i think the scrolling is the last issue of this update, there are so many problems with it, it's total crap