I dont understand this game and i am angry!!!

[Tactician]

Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

[Ahlony Wong]

Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

well, but in the real world, you don't put a ST on... will you get red cards or penalty...surely not.... what happen if i like to defense...like...putting 3DC with DL and DR, 3 DMC and 2 MC... without st, amc or amr/l.... so you mean should be getting penalty or red card???

[Tactician]

well, but in the real world, you don't put a ST on... will you get red cards or penalty...surely not.... what happen if i like to defense...like...putting 3DC with DL and DR, 3 DMC and 2 MC... without st, amc or amr/l.... so you mean should be getting penalty or red card???

Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

[Moi]

Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

That's exactly how it works now. Tere's no 20%/80% possession penalty for strange formations anymore, now every strange formation will be penalized in relation to its weaknessess. For example, if you put no midfielders at all, probably your possession will suffer a lot. If you don't put any defenders, your defense will be penalized (even further than for simply not having any defender). As you said, the penalty imposed IS in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation. And it only happens in extreme strange formations.

[Ahlony Wong]

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)
yes, 9 of 10 of the players are all at the left "side", but that won't mean the players are not going to run to the right side of the field... (and MC is MC...no matter i put in left side or right side..they are "MC", this same a DMC DC AMC and ST as well) so, why penalty?? i think the only penalty is like Moi said...no defense at all (like 3st, 3amc, 4 middlefield) should have a penalty since no defense at all ... i mean it is depend on the formation (but this is only happen to extreme strange formations like Moi said) ...so putting the player at the side is not a illegal formation

well... and then stick back to what i replied to topic... he was talking to have RED card and penalties (remember what i said...it is with a "s" ) ...
first of all, red card is only depend on what players do on the field, not depend on the formation... so, this is a wrong thinking...
secondary, he said "penalties"... i believe he is talking "one on one penalty face the GK" because it is with a "s" and he mention "punishment and red card" right before penalties ... ( and well, what formation can have more than 1 penalty in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation...) that was what i was saying "do you know how red card and penalty works in football" to the topic...

[Tactician]

well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)
yes, 9 of 10 of the players are all at the left "side", but that won't mean the players are not going to run to the right side of the field... (and MC is MC...no matter i put in left side or right side..they are "MC", this same a DMC DC AMC and ST as well) so, why penalty?? i think the only penalty is like Moi said...no defense at all (like 3st, 3amc, 4 middlefield) should have a penalty since no defense at all ... i mean it is depend on the formation (but this is only happen to extreme strange formations like Moi said) ...so putting the player at the side is not a illegal formation

well... and then stick back to what i replied to topic... he was talking to have RED card and penalties (remember what i said...it is with a "s" ) ...
first of all, red card is only depend on what players do on the field, not depend on the formation... so, this is a wrong thinking...
secondary, he said "penalties"... i believe he is talking "one on one penalty face the GK" because it is with a "s" and he mention "punishment and red card" right before penalties ... ( and well, what formation can have more than 1 penalty in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation...) that was what i was saying "do you know how red card and penalty works in football" to the topic...

No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

Based on your post, I can say that you have underestimated me. I probably know much more about football and tactics than you. Take into consideration that you might meet anyone, with any kind of experience, knowledge, qualifications and so on on internet. Do not underestimate people. I have watched and played a lot of football, have learnt many things about football tactics and training, and also managed teams (university level) in real life. In terms of video games, I have played both management games and player games before this game.

What is there or what is asked to be done in this game is very very simple as compared to what is there in real life. There can't be much comparison between those two in many terms. Football is much much more complicated and difficult than many people might think of, especially those that only know about football video games or about what they see on the internet or on television. In terms of video games itself, it can be said that this game is very simple. Try to play FM 2015 or 2016, you will see yourself. Some people might think that T11 has much football sense or is what football management is. This is not the case. T11 is very far from a proper football management simulation game, but it provides something extra that makes it fun to play.

P.S: Your reply is kind of inappropriate; either you misunderstood me or you underestimated me or both. I suggest you to read (or re-read) well all my posts here and try to understand what I meant.

[Ahlony Wong]

No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

Based on your post, I can say that you have underestimated me. I probably know much more about football and tactics than you. Take into consideration that you might meet anyone, with any kind of experience, knowledge, qualifications and so on on internet. Do not underestimate people. I have watched and played a lot of football, have learnt many things about football tactics and training, and also managed teams (university level) in real life. In terms of video games, I have played both management games and player games before this game.

What is there or what is asked to be done in this game is very very simple as compared to what is there in real life. There can't be much comparison between those two in many terms. Football is much much more complicated and difficult than many people might think of, especially those that only know about football video games or about what they see on the internet or on television. In terms of video games itself, it can be said that this game is very simple. Try to play FM 2015 or 2016, you will see yourself. Some people might think that T11 has much football sense or is what football management is. This is not the case. T11 is very far from a proper football management simulation game, but it provides something extra that makes it fun to play.

P.S: Your reply is kind of inappropriate; either you misunderstood me or you underestimated me or both. I suggest you to read (or re-read) well all my posts here and try to understand what I meant.

well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

[Joseph P Brenner]

Mr. wong working for top 11 i reckon
they deleting posts i wrote , there is no way you can say your opinions here if they againts top11 allegedly

[Tactician]

well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

I have spoken for the part as quoted below.

well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)

You said I am wrong? Wrong in what?
I never said what you are claiming, that is players don't move on to the pitch or do not move away from the 'assigned' positions. This why I have said you underestimated me. Because, you insinuated that I said such things. This is complete nonsense in terms of football. How can I say that players don't move away from their positions? What are you talking about? What have you understood?

I have spoken for inappropriate formations where an appropriate penalty should apply with respect to what is wrong in there. Moi, understood what I meant. What the 'author' meant is something else, and for sure it is not appropriate. What I have said and the 'author' of this thread said in these terms are very very different.

You have not read my posts well. You misunderstood what I see.