I dont understand this game and i am angry!!!

Hello everyone ,
i dont understand this game , i buy tokens , i train my players alot , hiring a scout trainer , putting the bonus during the game and only 0-0 againts the last place (14th)
this things put you off , you just want to quit playing this game :(
i buy every season 1000 tokens and cant even finished first...
and the guy who is in the last place , doesnt watch his games , probably with no moral , and he can finished 0-0???!
i suggest to who it may concern , please fix your engine , guy who doesnt watch his games for at least 5 times he will get penalty (such as at least 2 goals againts him...)
i feel like ive been cheated by top11
my team is better than anybody in my league and it cant win the guy who is in the last place???
either you gonna fix this engine thingo , or more and more people and fans will leave you guys , i am that close to leave this game after 4 consecutive years and paying alot...
please take it to your consideration .
i got some advices for you.
1 guy who not watching the game for at least 5 match will be lost...
2 every manager who support his team friends will get one rest or moral for each game he is supporting.
3 scout will be update every day and the players will be from the age of 18 to 22 , why i need to pay 59 tokens for 24 years old player that even not close to 7 stars...
4 for those who playing illegal , will be get some punishment such as willget red card or penalties againts them...
5 opportunities for manager to pick the hour of his home games on preseason ...(why do i need to spend every season 20 tokens for moving my games to late hour???)
i got loads of suggestions for you
but i dont know if anyone listening out there...
please take it to your consideration , loads of managers will leave if you gonna make the game unfair...
God bless you all and thanks in advance. :(

Hiya mate,

The quality of the team isn't always the deciding factor. We will always get freak results also, though usually not against the bottom teams.


I'd look into the strategy of top eleven a bit, and make sure you a using the last tab in the squad page appropriately.
make sure the players are over 90¨% fitness, your training regime is giving you bonuses.

I also find that buying a couple of players at the beginning ofg the seasonn and using green packs to train your team is far better than buying players. I bought a player at 99% on the first day of the season, and just through playing and training him normally as a team he is 125% now. I dont spend any money really, though I watch all the adverts possible.

Mate, be prepared for funny comments on your pledge!
I'll answer only to entry 1: eliminate people who do not watch the games ? That's called having a life and in my country, this is perfectly authorized ! I'll reply to you: save your money and buy a gift to your girlfriend... if any...

I understand. Here is what I have to say.

1. Stop buying so much tokens. When you invest so much, there is more pressure in you to get the results that you want. While this might appear to be just a virtual game, it might affect your morale in real life.

2. Quality is only one of the factors that affect the outcomes. Tactics is another, and there are suspected hidden effects (percentage efficiency, form, fixed matches and so on). What you may see visually in terms of quality might not be what there is actually. There is a sort of illusion.

3. There are some games that appear that their outcomes have been fixed or pre-determined. For instance, for a specific game, you will lose or get a draw, but you will not win no matter what you do, unless you have extreme superiority in quality (as high as around 180% or above). This may be the case for a knock-out rounds too, where you are likely to be knocked-out no matter what you do as manager.

4. This game contains flaws, and also some of the functioning of this game has no football sense.

5. This game functions a lot like a casino game. Its main aim is to make money out of people due to their weaknesses or imperfections. This include the want to win, addiction and so on.

I have already quitted this game once after having been gutted with all the 'nonsense' that have occurred last year (2015). I came back after the I noticed that there is a new version. Some bad things, some of which are not acceptable are still there though.

Concerning your 0-0 draw, take into consideration that you cannot always win.

"i buy tokens"

OK, your results are extremely satisfying

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i am that close to leave this game after 4 consecutive years and paying alot...

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You 're playing this game for 4 years and you got one troll result, a draw vs the 14th ?
Lucky you :p

Thanks all for your comments and advices...
i really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Joseph P Brenner

1 guy who not watching the game for at least 5 match will be lost...
2 every manager who support his team friends will get one rest or moral for each game he is supporting.
3 scout will be update every day and the players will be from the age of 18 to 22 , why i need to pay 59 tokens for 24 years old player that even not close to 7 stars...
4 for those who playing illegal , will be get some punishment such as willget red card or penalties againts them...
5 opportunities for manager to pick the hour of his home games on preseason ...(why do i need to spend every season 20 tokens for moving my games to late hour???)

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well... for me
#1. why? because he is not watching the game? come on....our life is not in T11, all of us have real life (and live in different time zone, so what happen if all games schedule at 3am? you are going to woke up at 3am to watch the game? or at 10am ...which mostly the time people are working? ) ... this is just a game .why force people to watch the live game?

#2. if this happen, this have to set a limit...otherwise, you can "support" thousand of "your friend" ( in theory...other accounts you own) and this is kind of other type of "cheating"

#3. well.... i think in the real world, the scout won't just give the boss 18-22 years old player also... so one side you want T11 to make the game close to real world...on the other side, you suggest T11 to make something not really happen in the real world...well...sound funny...

#4. what you mean "playing illegal"?? illegal formation?? and even playing illegal formation, why need to have some punishment like red card or penalties (and that is "penalties" with 's') ...just why?? in the real world, in theory you can use whatever formation you like...and will they get red card or penalties just for the illegal formation?? no...i don't think so...(and do you know what time is the red card and the penalty will be given?? that is the "football rule")

#5. this is kinda hard, because some teams also has CL and CUP (and CL and CUP...you don't know how far you will go) so, how can you pick the hours of the home games on preseason? this question is not only about you (the home team)...this also affect the away team...

Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

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Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

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well, but in the real world, you don't put a ST on... will you get red cards or penalty...surely not.... what happen if i like to defense...like...putting 3DC with DL and DR, 3 DMC and 2 MC... without st, amc or amr/l.... so you mean should be getting penalty or red card???

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

well, but in the real world, you don't put a ST on... will you get red cards or penalty...surely not.... what happen if i like to defense...like...putting 3DC with DL and DR, 3 DMC and 2 MC... without st, amc or amr/l.... so you mean should be getting penalty or red card???

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Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

I understand. Here is what I have to say.

2. Quality is only one of the factors that affect the outcomes. Tactics is another, and there are suspected hidden effects (percentage efficiency, form, fixed matches and so on). What you may see visually in terms of quality might not be what there is actually. There is a sort of illusion.

3. There are some games that appear that their outcomes have been fixed or pre-determined. For instance, for a specific game, you will lose or get a draw, but you will not win no matter what you do, unless you have extreme superiority in quality (as high as around 180% or above). This may be the case for a knock-out rounds too, where you are likely to be knocked-out no matter what you do as manager.

5. This game functions a lot like a casino game. Its main aim is to make money out of people due to their weaknesses or imperfections. This include the want to win, addiction and so on.

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Just as a side note about what you said, that's totally wrong. There are NO fixed matches or outcomes in Top Eleven, all matches are simulated by the game engine taking into account hundreds of variables.

Some results may make more sense to you than others, but not understanding why you lost a game you thought you would win -because you had much better players- doesn't mean the game had a fixed outcome for it

We may don't know why something happened in the game, or some events / results can make no sense at all. But just because you don't know why did it go that way doesn't mean it's rigged or some casino-plan to make you spend money.

There are many many many variables that affect every match, every event of the match, specially how your tactics and formation work with your rival's tactics and formations. As you said, it's not all about quality, like in real life football. And just because you don't have the full picture about what was going on, does not imply it's a pre-fixed outcome.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

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That's exactly how it works now. Tere's no 20%/80% possession penalty for strange formations anymore, now every strange formation will be penalized in relation to its weaknessess. For example, if you put no midfielders at all, probably your possession will suffer a lot. If you don't put any defenders, your defense will be penalized (even further than for simply not having any defender). As you said, the penalty imposed IS in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation. And it only happens in extreme strange formations.

Ok. Moi, I need a favour of yours. Can you tell me (honestly) what other significant variables are there to decide the outcome of a match other than quality and tactics (and may be lately the bonuses)? Please tell me how much randomness is also involved in this game. I have suspected a lot of things. If you say there are no pre-determined or fixed results, that is before the match actually played, ok, but I still suspect something fishy going on for the case of a few matches, especially when it comes to knock-out legs. I need some explanations from someone that knows really how things are decided in this game.

In addition to this, can you say something for the following questions?

Is there something that deliberately (or has been programmed to) affects the form of the players during a particular period in the season or simply just for a day or a match?

Is there something like: percentage efficiency of players, that is the actual quality of a particular may not necessarily be as the one display. For example, a 5 star player may be in fact internally be a 4 star player.

Can you tell me why my team is having so many injuries this season? My players have been always in very good condition (dark green, most of time above 95-99%) before each match. What is even more strange is there is how the injuries occur, what kind of injuries are they in terms of time out, and how the engine 'makes' my team receive yellow cards so that I don't get the red pack after each match.

If you can't say some things to the public, I understand. But, you can still use the P.M option.

If you want, I send you details of 2 matches that I recently played, where I suspect something fishy going on. Maybe you or someone else form Nordeus can explain to me why the final outcome was as such.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Ok. Moi
Is there something that deliberately (or has been programmed to) affects the form of the players during a particular period in the season or simply just for a day or a match?

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No

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Is there something like: percentage efficiency of players, that is the actual quality of a particular may not necessarily be as the one display. For example, a 5 star player may be in fact internally be a 4 star player.

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No

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Can you tell me why my team is having so many injuries this season? My players have been always in very good condition (dark green, most of time above 95-99%) before each match. What is even more strange is there is how the injuries occur, what kind of injuries are they in terms of time out, and how the engine 'makes' my team receive yellow cards so that I don't get the red pack after each match.

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I can tell you there's no prefixed plan for yellow cards or injuries. As in real life, you will have more injuries in one season and less on others, and same for yellow cards.

There's always a chance to have an injury, of course injuries are less likely to happen if you have your players in good shape, but like in real life, that's not a guarantee you won't get any injury. It also comes up to your opponents' tactics (on tackling, mainly). We've currently limited injuries to 1 per match (it could be more in the past), also Scouts and recently recovered players won't get injuried over the next matches. There will always be seasons with more injuries and seasons with less.

Our mind tends to remember events that annoy us, so when an injury happens (or some injuries) you will remember it like "OMG last season was terrible with injuries". However, probably some seasons ago you had almost no injuries in the whole month, but that's less likely to be remembered. Is it true that over the last 3-4 months, you had at least one season with almost no injuries -or just a couple- in the whole month?

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If you want, I send you details of 2 matches that I recently played, where I suspect something fishy going on. Maybe you or someone else form Nordeus can explain to me why the final outcome was as such.

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Feel free to send me these matches, however I can't disclose why specific things happen, as it's managers work to figure out how specific tactics, formations and other variables work with their rivals' ones. I may be able to give you some guesses about what looks like as an outsider, but can't go further than that.

Moi, what is happening in terms of injuries for my team is not acceptable. I have put another post in the Excessive Injuries thread in the Bugs section. Have a look. I think that there is something wrong.

I have had way too much injuries this season, many of them were long ones (6-12 days), and the stranger things are how they occur and how the game gives my players yellow cards in matches to prevent me from getting those needed red packs during those bad periods.

Take into consideration that I have already spent money buying enough tokens for this season, some of which I used to buy packs. I cannot afford to buy more tokens for now as the credit card account is 'exhausted' and I have no more money left to add some money in that account. I am still a student (not earning a salary) and the amount of money I can spend is limited. There are no offers working for my region. So, basically, the game is putting me in difficult situations a lot this season.

I was forced to sell one good player because I could not heal him. I cannot keep on doing things like that. Someone has to have a look what is going on.

Those are the matches that I'm speaking of.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...tml#post401397

If you want more details like what were the quality of the teams, what formations that were involved, what were the ratings of the players, and so on, you ask, and I will send those via P.M.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

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well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)
yes, 9 of 10 of the players are all at the left "side", but that won't mean the players are not going to run to the right side of the field... (and MC is MC...no matter i put in left side or right side..they are "MC", this same a DMC DC AMC and ST as well) so, why penalty?? i think the only penalty is like Moi said...no defense at all (like 3st, 3amc, 4 middlefield) should have a penalty since no defense at all ... i mean it is depend on the formation (but this is only happen to extreme strange formations like Moi said) ...so putting the player at the side is not a illegal formation

well... and then stick back to what i replied to topic... he was talking to have RED card and penalties (remember what i said...it is with a "s" ) ...
first of all, red card is only depend on what players do on the field, not depend on the formation... so, this is a wrong thinking...
secondary, he said "penalties"... i believe he is talking "one on one penalty face the GK" because it is with a "s" and he mention "punishment and red card" right before penalties ... ( and well, what formation can have more than 1 penalty in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation...) that was what i was saying "do you know how red card and penalty works in football" to the topic...

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)
yes, 9 of 10 of the players are all at the left "side", but that won't mean the players are not going to run to the right side of the field... (and MC is MC...no matter i put in left side or right side..they are "MC", this same a DMC DC AMC and ST as well) so, why penalty?? i think the only penalty is like Moi said...no defense at all (like 3st, 3amc, 4 middlefield) should have a penalty since no defense at all ... i mean it is depend on the formation (but this is only happen to extreme strange formations like Moi said) ...so putting the player at the side is not a illegal formation

well... and then stick back to what i replied to topic... he was talking to have RED card and penalties (remember what i said...it is with a "s" ) ...
first of all, red card is only depend on what players do on the field, not depend on the formation... so, this is a wrong thinking...
secondary, he said "penalties"... i believe he is talking "one on one penalty face the GK" because it is with a "s" and he mention "punishment and red card" right before penalties ... ( and well, what formation can have more than 1 penalty in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation...) that was what i was saying "do you know how red card and penalty works in football" to the topic...

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No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

Based on your post, I can say that you have underestimated me. I probably know much more about football and tactics than you. Take into consideration that you might meet anyone, with any kind of experience, knowledge, qualifications and so on on internet. Do not underestimate people. I have watched and played a lot of football, have learnt many things about football tactics and training, and also managed teams (university level) in real life. In terms of video games, I have played both management games and player games before this game.

What is there or what is asked to be done in this game is very very simple as compared to what is there in real life. There can't be much comparison between those two in many terms. Football is much much more complicated and difficult than many people might think of, especially those that only know about football video games or about what they see on the internet or on television. In terms of video games itself, it can be said that this game is very simple. Try to play FM 2015 or 2016, you will see yourself. Some people might think that T11 has much football sense or is what football management is. This is not the case. T11 is very far from a proper football management simulation game, but it provides something extra that makes it fun to play.

P.S: Your reply is kind of inappropriate; either you misunderstood me or you underestimated me or both. I suggest you to read (or re-read) well all my posts here and try to understand what I meant.

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No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

Based on your post, I can say that you have underestimated me. I probably know much more about football and tactics than you. Take into consideration that you might meet anyone, with any kind of experience, knowledge, qualifications and so on on internet. Do not underestimate people. I have watched and played a lot of football, have learnt many things about football tactics and training, and also managed teams (university level) in real life. In terms of video games, I have played both management games and player games before this game.

What is there or what is asked to be done in this game is very very simple as compared to what is there in real life. There can't be much comparison between those two in many terms. Football is much much more complicated and difficult than many people might think of, especially those that only know about football video games or about what they see on the internet or on television. In terms of video games itself, it can be said that this game is very simple. Try to play FM 2015 or 2016, you will see yourself. Some people might think that T11 has much football sense or is what football management is. This is not the case. T11 is very far from a proper football management simulation game, but it provides something extra that makes it fun to play.

P.S: Your reply is kind of inappropriate; either you misunderstood me or you underestimated me or both. I suggest you to read (or re-read) well all my posts here and try to understand what I meant.

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well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

Mr. wong working for top 11 i reckon
they deleting posts i wrote , there is no way you can say your opinions here if they againts top11 allegedly

No, it is very unlikely that he works for Nordeus. Your suggestion concerning 'penalties' is not appropriate, but he misunderstood what I said.

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well... i am not trying to argue, but first of all, i hope you 「take back 」what you said " Do not underestimate people" so, you can "underestimate" me? (you have done all things in real life or watch whatever people do, means you are better than me???) better watch what you said ok?

also, i didn't "underestimate" anyone, this is "base on " what you think, and you create this "underestimate" theory. not what i mean.

btw, i know what you talking about "GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST," which is also "side", but "yes players are not fixed about their positions" all were what you said (and yes, i said too) so, you mean DL, DML ML AML only running at the side and only stick to the side, not going to move?? so you need "appropriate penalty" ?? (and if you want to make a point here, go back and re-read what i am talking about this, ok?)

and i am replying to the topic at the first place (don't you see what i am saying in the last post?? if you really don't see that, you are the one should be go back and "re-read" what i am talking about, ok?? )

"Do not underestimate people" that is what you said, so you have whatever in you real life is not meaning you understand better than me, ok?

end with discussing with you, my first respond is replying to the topic, and again if you don't understand what i am talking about, you should go back and re-read it and don't underestimate and misunderstand me~ have a good day.

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well...i think you have a wrong idea ...this is football... well... what you mean all players are on the side?? you mean if i put all player in the right side and my players are only stick on right side and leave the left side open??? NO, this is football, even you DC will run to the opposite box to pass or shot...they are and they always will, even that is not their primary role. and let say i put AML, ML, AML and DL, next to it I put AMC, MC, DMC, DC and than i put 1 ST in the left front and another DC in the right (or whatever position to put on the right)

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You said I am wrong? Wrong in what?
I never said what you are claiming, that is players don't move on to the pitch or do not move away from the 'assigned' positions. This why I have said you underestimated me. Because, you insinuated that I said such things. This is complete nonsense in terms of football. How can I say that players don't move away from their positions? What are you talking about? What have you understood?

I have spoken for inappropriate formations where an appropriate penalty should apply with respect to what is wrong in there. Moi, understood what I meant. What the 'author' meant is something else, and for sure it is not appropriate. What I have said and the 'author' of this thread said in these terms are very very different.

You have not read my posts well. You misunderstood what I see.

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Ahlony Wong, this 'illegal formation' thing is something that I have never agreed with in this game. Like you said, you should be free to use whatever formation you want, that is there should be no penalty in these terms. However, if ever the formation is inappropriate to be used against a particular opponent, then of course it should be classified as inferior. In fact, in some cases, illegal formations have been observed to be superior. But, some people have mentioned the possible purpose of having the 'illegal formation' system. This might prevent unexpected outcomes (referred here by many users as 'troll' results). But, still 'troll results' have been occurring. So, this game might be fooling you.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

Apparently, in the past, there was the illegal formation system in this game. The penalties imposed were apparently a reduction in possession. Some of it still appear to be there.

The question is why should there be a penalty (whatever sort of penalty) just because you use of a formation that has at the back say only 2DC, followed by DMR and DML, or like you say a formation that has no ST. In fact, this make no sense, since playing with an extra midfielder instead of a ST might give you more ball possession, and also playing with DMR and DML might give you more ball possession. Penalties should be there only when the formation or orders you have selected are not appropriate for facing your next opponent. That is, reasons should be tactical or in terms of football, not just because a user did not make use of an ST or did not make use of at least 3 defenders..

Of course if a team plays a formation where all the players (except the GK) are on the side, then there should be a penalty, but in that case, the formation should classified as tactically inappropriate, and the penalty imposed should be in relation to what is tactically wrong in that formation.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

No, it is you who misunderstood me. I know what you mean, and yes players are not fixed about their positions. What I meant is if you face an opponent using a formation like GK-DL-DR-DML-DMR-ML-MR-AML-AMR-ST, then an appropriate penalty should apply in respect to what is wrong in there. If you think it that it is not possible to face such formations, just ask other 'old' users here and they will tell you up to what kind of strange formations they have faced.

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I have highlighted the parts. Yet, you say that I'm wrong. Based on your reply, you either misunderstood me or you did not read the posts well. What the author of this thread suggested in terms of penalties and what I have said are totally different.

Take into consideration that this is a simulation game. There has to be things for the system to distinguish between what is good and what is wrong, and to apply appropriate penalties so that the final outcomes (match results) are logic. Whatever is happening on the pitch is based on whatever the game has decided there will be as final outcome. All variables are considered and a final overall decision is taken, and a simulated segment is sent for you see.

I stop here for this because it seems that you don't want to see what has been really said, and what you did wrong in your replies to me.

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Originally Posted by Tactician

I have spoken for the part as quoted below.


You said I am wrong? Wrong in what?
I never said what you are claiming, that is players don't move on to the pitch or do not move away from the 'assigned' positions.

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if you don't understand this part, why don't you go back and re-read the post?? you keep saying people misunderstood you and "asked" people to go back to re-read the post, but why don't you go back to see what my post is talking to which post?

and than you were funny bringing the "underestimate" thing here. and again, this is what you think, not I mean. you keep think that way, no one can stop you.
but you said

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.... I probably know much more about football and tactics than you.....Do not underestimate people ...

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even in this post has a logical problem, you ask people do not underestimate people, but right before that, you think you probably know more than me base on you own real life or whatever internet video things (that is underestimate), doesn't it sounds funny already??

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I have spoken for inappropriate formations where an appropriate penalty should apply with respect to what is wrong in there. Moi, understood what I meant. What the 'author' meant is something else, and for sure it is not appropriate. What I have said and the 'author' of this thread said in these terms are very very different.

You have not read my posts well. You misunderstood what I see.

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i think you really the one don't read the post well... don't you see that (below)~

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

....i think the only penalty is like Moi said....

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really, don't you see that??? ok, whatever you like to say, or funny underestimate or misunderstood whatever, go ahead. I am done with this post~ i am not going to reply anymore with you in this post~ that's kind of waste time with the "underestimate" well known soccer things' one~

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Originally Posted by Tactician

No, it is very unlikely that he works for Nordeus. Your suggestion concerning 'penalties' is not appropriate, but he misunderstood what I said.

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Top eleven put rules for this game , people who playing againts the rules , should be punished somehow , ...logical , that's it.
simple as that.

By the way, Ahlony Wong, no offence meant to you, and I have nothing against you. The matter simply went so far due to misunderstandings. I hope that you will have a look again to what I requested to you.
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Originally Posted by Joseph P Brenner

Top eleven put rules for this game , people who playing againts the rules , should be punished somehow , ...logical , that's it.
simple as that.

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But it's not against the rules that Nordeus have laid down. Nordeus allows managers to set up teams and then not attend. Nordeus allows managers to set up team formations how they wish (as managers in real life teams are allowed to do). Nordeus sets the times of the matches and then allows the home manager to change the match time if he wishes/has to.

Why should managers get punished for not attending matches if work or other RL events (like sleep) prevent them from doing so? If they don't attend, they don't get a possession bonus, or the opportunity to change the team if the match is going away from them, and that in itself should be sufficient punishment most of the time.

Why should managers be punished (further) for playing 'illegal formations' when the match engine does that perfectly well itself? You don't see the referee at Chelsea v Arsenal stop the match because Arsene Wenger had lined up all his players on the right wing and say 'you can't do that, two penalties to Chelsea'...

Why should we go through the task of setting up our match times when we have the facility for changing (home) match times if we want to? The EPL managers don't get a sheet saying here's your fixtures for the season, when do you want to play them?

Most of what you are saying in your initial diatribe is just a rant against perceived injustice. I have two teams, one in it's 34th season, the other in its 11th season. They've played upwards of 1400 matches in that time, and the situation you describe (0-0 against bottom place) (or worse, a defeat) has happened about a dozen times in all those matches.

For the rest of it, try the 'Suggestions' forum.

It's called football, and it happens in RL as well. You just have to ride with the knock, post in the Vent thread*, and get on with the next match.

Or as the anonymous learned philosopher once said, "**** happens."


* http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...hread-3-a.html

Top Eleven Formation - Illegal formations.

While there are many possible formations in Top 11, not all of them are valid. This is what it’s commonly refereed as “illegal formations”. The exact rules and consequences aren't publicly known, but it’s generally accepted that if your formation is illegal, you’ll be penalised with a heavy loss of ball possession. And while it’s possible to win with one of said formations, it’s not a common occurrence.

In order for a formation to be legal it must have:

-At least 3 defenders.
-At least 1 striker.
-At least a player in each flank.
-A goalkeeper.

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Top Eleven Formation - Illegal formations.

While there are many possible formations in Top 11, not all of them are valid. This is what it’s commonly refereed as “illegal formations”. The exact rules and consequences aren't publicly known, but it’s generally accepted that if your formation is illegal, you’ll be penalised with a heavy loss of ball possession. And while it’s possible to win with one of said formations, it’s not a common occurrence.

In order for a formation to be legal it must have:

-At least 3 defenders.
-At least 1 striker.
-At least a player in each flank.
-A goalkeeper.

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All of those scenarios had previously attracted an automatic 20% possession for the infracting team, but all that went out at least 9 months ago (someone with a better memory than me will know exactly when). Now, you can do what you like, except play a goalkeeper in an on-field position, ie not in goal (which is the only situation you didn't mention) - that is the only circumstance under which a 20% possession penalty is applied nowadays. There are lesser penalties for setting a player out of position, with two grades of possession deduction, detectable in the formation screen - either a red or yellow triangle, the former attracting the higher penalty.

So you can set a formation like GK/DL-DR/DML-DMR/ML-MR/AML-AMR/ST-ST without penalty, as long as the players concerned are eligible to play in the positions set for them. All the opponent player then needs to do is set 3DC-DMC-3MC-AMC-2ST (itself a previously 'illegal' formation) and play through the middle...

...and before you ask, yes I did set the narrow formation and won 5-0 with a team -2.1Q.