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Today i had a strange cup match. First because my opponent shows as one level under me....what is strange. Quality was 90% my team for 70% rival and stats were
Possession. 68-32
Total shoots 24-11
Shoots on board 11-6
Score: 0-4
I dont find the result has any sense.
Big question is what to do in return match....play with best formation or with substitutes? Seems like border s decided i had not to play cups final...
Pictures ?
We need pictures to see, what went wrong and then maybe we can help you out. ( Formations, statistic pictures etc )
It's just one of Nordeus things,TROLLING things[emoji1] [emoji12]
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I am sorry but i dont know how to make screenshots.... i am very limited technologically.
Nothing strange in formations...4-1-3-1-1 in my side and 4-4-2 rival. In league against a similar team and tactics i usually score 3-5 goals
Butni think is not logcal to shoot 24 times...11 on board... and zero goals. And other team goalkeeper is 4 stars guy...not Buffon í ½í¸‰
Well, if things happend as you report them, you've been trolled big time. Did you attend the game ?
From my experience, troll results are very seldom in cup. I still believe you have a chance considering the stats. Try to play 4-5-1V on second leg, full training and victory bonuses for your team. And pray !
Curious 41311. What is your tactic?
How was your players moral ? did you have your trainings bar charged to 10 % ? these two factors really can affect the results
I tend to play withQuote:
Originally Posted by azwanonly
DR DC DC DL
DMC
MR MC ML
AMC
ST
both MC and AMC dont play in central position but slightly to left/right ( oneeach side).
Both DL, DR ( very fast runners and good finishers, one even scoring over 0,5 goals/match) arrow up and same for ML MR.
Attacking style, mostly short passes. Flanks/center/ mixed depending on rival tactic and weak points in deffense.
AMC sometimes with arrow back.
midfielders ( dmc, ml, mr, amc ) have different possibilty of positions so i can turn easily into 4-5-1 v, 4-2-2-2 wide hexagon and other formations easily.
After trying different formations with this one I am getting usually best results as it adapts well my players abilities.
Moral was very good / excellent depending on player.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElPocho
Physical condition over 90% all.
Training bar was 8%.
But i think is not logical being defeated 0-4 by a team 20% under and with a so big shooting difference ( both on target and not). Match coming " today hasnt been our day" is a good comment 😂.
My biggest doubt apart of what happened out of any common sense is what to do in second leg match. In one side i think i can go very offensive with best team and try to win by 5 goals difference (after such a shocking match all ispossible) or play with alternative team and reserve rest of players for league.
https://forum.topeleven.com/formatio...wam-1-a-2.html The post before the very last post shows my experience on this which happened the cup match of yesterday. Actually there is nothing you can do, and the factors are not important at all. By the way 0-4 is a total insult but unfortunately it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjbellaubi
Troll results do happen. Actually it is something that I hate but also something that makes the game fun. When I loose like that I am fuming at start. In the beginning of the game you can see this happening and if you notice it, there is almost nothing you can do. I had games where I gave order to substitute my MC who received a yellow card. In the following 8 minutes no switch and then the animation that my MC was send of with red. It happens and is part of the game. If the game wouldn't frustrate it wouldn't be exciting from time to time. You need lows to respect the highes.
Still, result is very bad for you and I understand that you are fuming :) Imagine a game with the same stats where the advisary had only 2 shots at target. His goalie made 11 saves and he won 1-0. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, Always that reaction at first for me and then I start to laugh. Sh.t happens.
Hey Jjbellaubi,
Please PM me your Top 11 User ID and tell me the exact date of the match. We can more closely examine the match that way. :)
Really, can you examine the details of the matches? That's a really great news I have just learnt :). I asked this once to support and they said system is closed to all members in any way. Anyway, I do not trust the comments of the support in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeves
I can't examine the numerical data of the match and such, but I can open Jjbellaubi's account, find the match and see what the match-report says, check the formations, ratings, club quality, etc. Just like a normal user would.
The support agent who told you that didn't lie to you Antonio, they can't examine the match simulation in too great dept just like I can't as well.
Jeeves: Any possibility that we also can get more insight in the game based on a match report? This would give us more insight in how to properly use counter formations, see what went wrong, which players underperformed or stuff like that. Most people that play these games are statistics freaks and want to find out how the programming works (as with all other games). I am really missing the feel of control or the way to interpreted the numbers.
I'll bring it up with the devs Killroy, thank you. I understand the whole "statistics freaks" part dearly. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Killroy
I wouldn't mind you and others sharing what specific types of info and detail you would like to see in the match report though. That would be really helpful for me when I present this feedback.
The idea here is for you guys to tell me. I know I can also specify things I'd like to see but you are the Managers and I'm the Nordeus rep. ;)
The thing is that there are so many things unclear to us. The statistics freaks want to calculate, analyse and evaluate. That is what we love. For example:
1) Does right or left foot matter?
2) Does hight for a goalie matter?
3) How much does a special ability influence a player? It would help enormously that something says with corner kick your player has 50% higher chance to get a succesfull corner kick.
4) Do players have hidden statistics? Some score enormously better then others. Why? Can we deduct this from anything?
5) How much does a higher percentage for certain skills? For example does passing help with corner kick? Does shooting help with free kicks? If so, how much?
What I would also like to see is for example. If you click on a player during a match you get a more specified list of statistics. Stuff like:
Percentage of passing completed
Percentage of passing to the right
Percentage of passing to the left
Percentage of shooting
Percentage shooting with left
Percentage shooting with right
Km's run per game
Stamina at the end of the game
Number of tackles performed well
Number of fouls committed (these last 2 can show you wether a player is too agressive or not)
Maybe even put up a number of possibilities per player if wanted. I can imagine that you want to set your 2 outside defenders on agressive tackling against good wingers to keep them short.
Possibilities are limitless.
Sorry Jeeves but i dont feel comfortable with anyone entering with my account even if a Nordeus worker í ½í¸‚ If someone does i prefer not to know it! Call me paranoid. In the end the match is played and the result wont change and indont want it to be changed, i guess the other manager might be in euphoria.... best for him. I guess Nordeus workers might have your own teams to test game and weird results also arrive to you sooner or later so you should investigate there... But thanks for the feedback.
A suggestion for next updates is that mat h stats are very poor. Would help a lot to have more info on how your players act during match. For example percentage of passes done by player, shoots by player, etc.... the current stats, giving him 6-7-8-9 doesnt give me much info. If a player scores a goal it gets a higher ratio even if maybe his deffensve match has been bad. I cant get much info on real behavious of players. That way i could know where are the stronger points of each player. For example i will never understand why a player with a definition and shooting ability of 60% can have more efficiency than another who is 100% in same abilities and both playing im similar positions and rotating them to find better place.
In fact i am not really pissed off but surprised and deceived. I am a big football fan and weird results in real matches happen, and if i had lost 0-1 or 1-2 i woudl. Say... okay... but 0-4 was too much. As an engineer i like things to have a logical basis í ½í¸‚As someone said this can make game very fun but also disappoints you a bit when you try to train your team and keep it in good shape.
I didnt know there were troll results. Now i know it. I always thought this game was based on how you put your team on field, condition, quality, etc... and a small percentage of aleatority. Now i see this aleatority can be high!
Talking about statistics, (when) can we see the re-implementation of the Club History (as on the old version) in TE2017 (18,19,etc)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeves
I already posted it in othersection, but I wanted to share it here also.
Today's game:
Oppo: 95%
Tactics 4-4-1-1
Not watching
Me: 122%
Tactics: 4-1-2-1-2 ND
Attacking, mixed passes, through the middle, no counter, low press, zonal, no offside.
Me watching +2 supporters
I joined the game at 20' and already was leading 2:0....and then the game just went crazy.
The oppo scored 3 goals. The rates of my defenders went down to 5.x. I couldn't do anything, changing tactics, orders, changing players (the subs performed same sh#**) did nothing.
I didn't feel I had any control over the match at all.
The oppo got 14 [!] corners [emoji46]
The first game with the same tactics I won 5:0!![emoji52]
And those lovely ass man reports:
How the hell I underestimated the opponent.
All bonuses at 10, condition +90%, morale high/superb, win bonus lvl 3 out of 4...[emoji55]
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I'm really sick and tired of those troll results...[emoji40]
Edit: funny enough my two main title rivals also lost their points this round.
Coincidence or just "let's make the league more exciting" policy??
The game has gone crazy... I've been getting completely bizarre results all week.
All my defenders are 140+% defensive average and seem to randomly leak a couple goals, while my attackers with 150+% attacking average can't hit the target.
@czero nothing against your match but troll, loses and unexpected result make the game more exciting. winning all the way to the top make it too easy. sometime this kind of result make us managers wonder and like your AM say underestimate a bit "like a kick in the ass'. i assume your oppo wingers having a good rating. cheers.
Yes there should be some unpredictability in the results, but they must be realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by HairDryer
This afternoon, my op held 33% possession and was 13% weaker than me yet found 20 shots. How is that even possible? My bonuses were all maxed and I had max supporters.
His passes completed were also below 80%, so how with such a low passing efficiency, and low possession, where are all these shots coming from?
best if you can sent a screenshot for better view of the match. i understand alot of managers are getting a troll result lately. something is definately wrong somewhere but bonuses and supporters is not all the factor. i dont know how you oppo will feel abt the game? i bet he will think that he is doing the right thing with his formation and tactic or maybe think after all bonuses dont really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BridgeGoth
@HairDryer.
Well, you are right my friend as far as wingers' rates are concerned. One of his wingers (MR) became MOM with 8,7, but my both STs and AMC were not worse.
It's my defensive line who is responsible for the defeat (3 of them were rated 4,8-5,3 :O).
After conceding the first goal I changed mentality to normal and set man-to man defence, but no effect at all, still oppo managed to score further goals
Just wonder what would be the result if I didn't attend the game since none of my actions had any impact on the match and the players.
I know he countered me, but the question is HOW he did that?
He didn't attend the game, hence he couldn't influence the course of the game, he had ~30% less overall quality, I had balanced formation with DMC and 4 defenders all above 120% always performing at least 7, against his wingers having 87% and 88% Q. He is 10th in the league I'm aiming for the title...
Disappointed as this defeat significantly complicates my title run.
Just to add, those vague AM reports give you no clue what went wrong...
I set the best players for the game with condition, bonuses, I attended the game, so I might have done everything wrong but underestimated the oppo.
Every season you get at least one or two troll results like this. I don't mind it if I am facing the number 1 of the league or against an advisary that has 10-20% more quality but against a bottom feeder is just RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE!!!!
-) I want to know, what we can read out of the statistic... are the some connections to the tactics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeves
for example: If opponent made a lot of tackles: played he high press? if he made a lot of fouls, did he play hard tackling?
What's the reason, to have a lot of shot, but low shot on target? Longballs more shots at all and shorts passes low shots, but higher shots on target?
-) Why is the RNG such strong - take a look at this and this
I really don't like this. How should you learn something, if you beat your managed, evenly opponent that high and inactive teams are such strong? That isn't a troll result or something else... this is just a big fail.
The highest victories of the last few weeks are all against acitve manager.:rolleyes:
-) Do arrows inflect the game? In which way?
-) Does a specific drill inflect next game? f.e. if you use wingplay, do the player better in playing on the wings?
Most other things said killroy.
AI have been adjusted too strong already. I find trolls result far far more likely to happen when one manager aren't watching. Which isnt fair from my opinion, cos live manager doesnt know the mechanics behind the game.
I have seen ai managed team in second half suddenly go all out attack or even change their passing range from short to long to chase the game.
It didnt happen seasons before, when the other manager arent watching and you can be assured of a win when 2-0 up at half time and dont have to tweak the tactic.