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Anyway, it doesn’t sound like it’s a standard among all leagues, players and servers. No logical explanation when the troll strikes and it seems like it is hitting you guys hard. If I feel something isn’t right or I experience something like you guys are going through now. I think I rather tank.
I think this troll element (new heights this season) along with other elements of the game have taken the fun out of it.
Now no matter what you do, how hard you train, whether you watch or not, moral not important, fitness not important, whether a player is in wrong position not important, quality of team irrelevant, preparation % irrelevant, team set up ....you may as well pick a random 11 players.
We need to feel, sorry know, that as a manager our decisions/gameplay have effected the outcome of game.
Otherwise what the hell are we doing?
I have had lots of association managers and friends give up on this game and stop playing.
Just look how many people are saying the same thing.
That is what this troll engine is doing...making players stop playing!
That means no money. That means in a few years.."oh do you remember that football game, what was it called....? oh yeah top eleven..what ever happened to it?"
So the designers, programmers or whatever they call themselves need to wake up and listen before it's too late. Before this game is consigned to the waste bin.
This result from the other day was more than silly. He was 90% with very average players individually (no high whites at all). I played defensive counter. Apparently their counters were a constant problem for us and they had 6 on target and scored 5 to my 10 on target and 1 goal. Haha...
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Here’s my better players, who are head and shoulders above anyone in the league, yet I’m 6th, with 4 trill results out of 9. Yet to play the league leader who is 119%, with pretty much scout players who have been trained up slightly to have whites at 140%.
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Mate, I went into your association and had a look. Yup, I would be screaming white skills don’t mean sh it as well. You put a lot of effort into the team, it’s very obvious. Sorry man, didn’t know better. It’s fked up
So out of curiousity I went to check anyone above level 45 on my list and how they were doing in their respective leagues. I only have 7 in my list above 45 so it wasn’t difficult. Everyone won at least 1 trophy last season but the focus is on league so 5 out of 7 won their leagues last season. Today their current league positions, 5 in 7 are leading their leagues again, 3 of which are the same who won last season and the other 2 different. The other 2 people Not topping their leagues are not doing badly as well. 1 is 2nd and the other 3rd. I think my server hasn’t been affected.
Ok, last time I am adding on. I went into their teams to scrutinise expecting to see some well trained players. All were scouts, the lowest grey skill I found was 34 and he was the odd old guy in 1 team. Majority had greys in their 80s to 120s. You might be right about the white skills at higher levels
This is what I feared. Seems Nordeus are promoting their expensive scout players for best performance, whilst opening up the competition so players with intrinsically trained players, you’ve had from 18, are no longer as good and anyone can win a league. Last season, I was unaffected until maybe the last week, I had a couple of suspect results, but I’d already wrapped up the league long ago. My worry, is that I lost and only drew to a very average team like we’v talked about in association too, but had no problems in the semi final day.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
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I have a similar team like you, I lose against untrained weaker opposition a lot... I think skills are dead now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker85
If this stays the way, I'm just going to farm resources and be one of the weaker persons, keeping my team around 80%-90%. Why should I waste my token and green packs if I have the same chance of winning like the weak team? It doesn't make any sense.
Your opponents might get trolled 2nd half of season. I hsve a feeling you guys will go on a winning streak and catch up
white skills are dead ! i confirm ! hit the grey skills and watch your player train like an 18 year old on viagra !!! the 20% def and 200% attack is dead !! make your player an average trained player and you'll win more. this is what nordeus want, it's ****, making everyone equal !! soon we'll just roll a dice to decide who winsQuote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Think il just resource save this season and see what my thoughts are towards the end of the season. Real shame if what your saying is right Richie. May have to look for a new game. I said above, I feared it will turn into a Mickey Mouse game of dice rolling and getting new scout players every season. I’d had a system going of buying and training one or 2 18yr olds from 50-70% and blasting them in specific trading all season and repeating. Just about at the end of that process with my first 11 and it’s all been wasted overnight by developers.
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i'm afraid to say that by looking at results this season (last season i won the quadruple and the season before the triple, and for the past 2 years atleast a double) that we are being beaten by average trained players this season with absent managers. i was knocked out of the 1st round of the cup this season for the first time ever by a 77% and i was 120% at the time with massive 300% attack skills, he beat me 4-1 and only played with 10 men lol to make things worse and the weaker my opponent is, the less goals i score despite the possession % saying 80-20 in my favour. since the beginning of this season i stare in disbelief at the bull**** animation on my screen and notice that AML and AMR goals have dissappeared. starting to give our DC's man on the match despite my striker scoring a hatrick. even freekick goals are dissappearing with my AMC of 343% shooting skills (last season how many times a striker one on one runs straight at the goakeeper).Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker85
i've play now for 9 years and i'm packing it in end of season. i'm leaving as captain of a platinum association and all the managers are leaving too.we all worked so hard together and built brilliant teams (no tankers) just proper honest efforts in white skills over the years with aml amrs and nordeus have now stabbed all us hard workers in the back ! NORDEUS IS A MONEY MACHINE and it can stick all its cash where the sun doesn't shine !!!
all my managers are being insulted and offended and we have had enough of troll results. There is only Sausy in the front line who faces our abuse, the real culprit hide and never answer our questions or listen to us !! .........................
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Guys, you're right. I just witnessed it first hand. No way in the world would this guy on the right have lost to an balanced team with no support. Both managers attended.
This is a level below me so they are a star higher in reality.
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Team on right is better overall by 10 percent. Read that skills limit are 180 now. The quality difference i am seeing has already capped at 180 yes?
Because if not the left hand team could be stronger considering right hand team has alot of players above 180 for whites.
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Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
Where you read this? This would mean that low grey skills kill a player... And everyone should be trained balanced.
Edit: The more I think about this, the more it actually makes sense with the things I witnessed in the last weeks... I will try that. I'm really at a point where I don't care. Next season I will only train the grey skills of my players and see what happens. :)
Edit2: So guys I just draw against a 20% weaker, what I'm gonna do now is train greys of my players for a bit, I'm gonna post before after pics when I'm done and will see how it affects my games.
Mate, I assume you were asking about the 180 skill cap. I bumped the thread where I read itQuote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Oh dear. My observations have all been confirmed by you. My AML Dogbe has been top scorer and best rated for the last 8 seasons, never got less than a 9. 8 was rare and this season he’s scoring 6’s. Scores when we score. Same observations with MoM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie72
Suppose Nordeus wanted to do something when like me and you and many others probably found, the ‘free 7-9* players’ they were giving as prizes in national team events and challengers were pretty useless not even making our first teams due to being 22 and over 100% grey skills. Been thinking overnight and at least with tanking now not possible if your to compete in associations, it still can be played with some level of method as long as you front load all your training on fresh 18yr olds as the development pyramid based on age will still be same. Not sure what il do though. Like you say, it’s too frustrating and feels like a huge kick in the teeth when your watching someone with a poor team who probably hasn’t logged in for a week, destroy you 5-1. Probably give me the much needed shove I needed to stop having this game open when I should be giving more attention to family.
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Thank you, like I edited above, I'm gonna test it. Almost all of my players have 180%+ whites and low greys, I'm now gonna train greys all day and see how it affects my season. I'm just sick of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsiderSG
Id be interested to see how that works. Il keep a look out for your results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
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I’m still not sure how the changes explain my CL form being reasonable with 5 wins and a loss. I beat the team 2nd in my league twice with no problems, yet he held me 2-2 in league and has beat teams easily where my side have struggled in the league only.
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I'm really excited... And I will not even need many rests. With 50 I brought my AMR up almost 20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker85
i don't think you'll see any changes... and that's because you're entire season was programmed from day 1 by the server... sometimes the server lets you win easily matches and make you win trophies and sometimes (like this season) makes your team useless and you lose with pathetic teams... training, morale, bonuses, quality (especially quality) doesn't matter!!! the only thing that matters is the server. if it's on your side or against you. that's how pathetic this game has become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
i made the quadruple last season (server was on my side) and this season i have a better team but i'm struggling with pathetic 4* teams... so that's the only explanation: you can make your team the best you can (7, 8 stars), if the server wants you to lose, YOU LOSE. they don't give a sh*t about normal and loyal managers. good job nordeus, worst managing in history.
How old is he as my AMR and AML are my favourite and oldest of my ‘developed squad’ at 27 yrs old. Do you think it would still work quick at this age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
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So I just did this for an example. Only about 120 rests, so the cost wasn't even this high. Let's see.
With 27 year old I would not do it, max 25. You will need too many rests...
That was fast. Just like Ritchie said, training greys is like an 18 old on viagra hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Cool. What kind of training sessions did you use? Just opposite of white skill training?Quote:
Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
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Modern day networking at its finest. Well done guys. Hopefully a solution to a dreadful season and many hours of frustration saved!
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Stop The Attacker and Press The Play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker85
Really not so sure, but like I said, I just don't really care anymore. If it stays the way it is, with so much randomness, I will just stop playing this game... If not we maybe discovered an useful information for playing TE 2019.Quote:
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Thank you TE !
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No troll results so far
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I would have more expectations from games like this, at least a domination score, but I have stopped considering those games as trolls
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At least you won in your case, in my case ME ruined my season and that is not an overstatement.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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you were trolled :) your gk got momQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I cannot find any reason that my GK won motm in that game vs a 2* team :p
omg nik please... be serious for one second. everybody knows you're manipulating the draws and all your opponents are 2 and 3 stars... 134 goals scored and 6 against? you must think you're the best manager and everyone in here complaining are just crying pussies who don't understand this game. just play normally for a season and then come back and tell us how many trolls you've had.
it's almost impossible to win trophies, especially quadruples, when all opponents are same quality as you or in 10-20% range. it's tested, double-triple-any number you want tested. that's the way this pathetic game is programmed... i don't even have to mention the associations...those are not 100% but 1000% programmed. nothing is fair in this game anymore... normal managers, those who don't spend real money, those who don't have many resources, those who can't boost their teams to 7 or 8 stars, those kind of managers have no chance to win trophies...even if they train daily and their team condition is perfect. 0 trophies, because server is programmed this way. and how is this fair? why shouldn't i win all trophies if i'm the best on managing my team and find the best tactics? just because nordeus don't want that...they are not winning anything by letting normal managers win... they love buyers. and that sums it all.
so please, don't manipulate the draws this season and let us know at the end of next season how many trophies you won. can't wait
It's his choice to manipulate. I personally, don't have much time for top11 so manipulation is a great solution. Im having fun combined with winning titles.
@ funker
I 'm not hiding this. I kept that relative thread-tutorial alive all those years.
But this is not the subject of this thread.
There is no troll result if you 're playing vs a +-20-5 % q team.
You are an old player, if you believe the story "I was present with supporters-friends, oppo manager wasn't, I had full condition, morale and training (or team) bonus, ..."
ok
Bought a new scout goalkeeper with both high whites and greys and put about 50 greens into improving 3 of my defenders attacking stats (sounds funny doesn’t it) and managed to improve my 3 defenders by about 5% each overall. Put some defensive stats into my 18yr old striker I got this season and had been doing my usual white skill development. Managed to get him from 116%, to 121% training his grey defensive skills, with about 12 rests and overall team rating went from 100, to 105%. Beat league leader 3-2 (in inflated 119% player with scout type players, nothing special individually) away and it looks like a solution to stop the trolling. It’s not trolling. It’s Nordeus nerfing people with players on 1% grey effect. Good to see my mutant like AML get MoM again too. His greys are all 1% however and I don’t think il be able to balance them at his age.
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Even with low intensity drills, the ‘grey skill training’ has been getting gains of between 3-8 skill points per session.
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nikolgiorgos;
You are an old player, if you believe the story "I was present with supporters-friends, oppo manager wasn't, I had full condition, morale and training (or team) bonus, ..."
where did i said that??? i said if all team are same quality or in 10-20% difference, you won't win trophies. and i don't call this matches trolls, i called them programmed this way by the server... without anything to do by the manager... simple as that.
i don't buy this "present at match" and bonus sh*t anymore...last season i entered 10 matches max and i won all 4 trophies...so i know what am i talking about.
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where did i said that??
You are an old manager so you should know.
I have easy League opponents (most of them) but better teams in CL and Cup.
Today I played vs duncan FC for the CL. He had 85%, me 111%.
About the same my Cup oppo.
I 'm trying to save condition (and greens) so avoid to use high pressing or man to man but vs those teams -25, -30% I had to switch to those orders so to win
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yeah, me too... my CL opponent was 85% and i barely won 2-0... tough times these days...
Worked out nice for me!
I'm first and guy on left is two points behind me in the league, 113% team. Guy on right is bottom with 4 points, 68% team
And this happens today, troll central!! :D
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is this some kind of joke ? already trolled a dozen times so far this season but this one is the end for me ! i am 100% sure of quitting now.
131% vs 75% and he's bottom of our league.
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