Did your friend not promote? - if he finished below 8th position and Nordeus didn't promote him one level, then he doesn't get the 20% Quality reduction in the new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
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Did your friend not promote? - if he finished below 8th position and Nordeus didn't promote him one level, then he doesn't get the 20% Quality reduction in the new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
what place did he getQuote:
Originally Posted by MidasG
Another troll... Opponent weaker 15%... His form before the match - L L L L D... Our form - W W W W W... He is playing 3 wide in the back line, with no DMC... Our average rating 7.58... In 4 wins this season we had average ratings 7.53 - 7.74 - 7.74 - 7.56, and yet, we didn't win with 7.58... F... Nordeus...
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It seems this thread is dying out. No one has been here except me in the last few days
0-3 was a big oneQuote:
Originally Posted by ibangali
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
No, that means (answering the thread's question - How many troll results you had this season ? )
that maybe managers don't have more than the usual 2-3 trolls per season ?
I had 8 last season. I should have won about 47 out of 50 matches last season but I got 42 wins out of 50. I am not saying that is bad bad but I lost 3 games in the league 20+% weaker team despite having double the shots and possession. I lost the league title last season to average teams. And I was humiliated 3-0 in the Champions League Final Despite being 10% stronger. Yes I know 10% isn’t that much but we had 19 shots to 16. And we lost that match. We were shocking. I don’t know what goes wrong for me in those Finals. As I said I have never won The Champions League. But I got to the Final 3 times and lost them all to 10% weaker teams despite dominating. The first 2 finals, I tried the hard defending tactic and both times it failed so for last season’s CL Final I decided to push my luck and go with normal mentality and about six green arrows to head forward. As I said, that game was lost 3-0 to the 10% weaker team. I thought that it was going to be my day by having my attacking trio in that final scoring a combined 130+ goals between that season to be nullified by a 4 star defence. I have no Idea how that happened. But their stupid goalkeeper had 5 f ing saves. For that CL Final. Also The CL Final before that one their keeper made 10 saves and got man of the match. Nordeus seem to hate it when so get to the final. And the annoying thing is that this season I got paying players In my Champions League so I don’t have a chance of winning it this season. I am a free loader and so is everyone else on my server. So my theory is that they keep making me lose the finals so I buy tokens but I never budge and I don’t buy them. I think it isn’t worth buying stuff for this game because you get punished sometimes by the game engine for buying tokens.
It doesn't mean that we don't have troll results. I had two skeptical draws 1-1 in the league to -30% teams but I don't bother to post here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Yes I think that was a stupid thing for me to post but I still get those weird unexpected drawsQuote:
Originally Posted by Grandef
i saw a premier league match today and newcastle won against tottenham, yesterday man utd lost against palaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
top eleven's becoming premier league now
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The very best of the troll results happened to me this weekend in association games.
For the three consecutive games (1 in sf and 2 final games), I had been leading until 89', 90' and 89' again. Three matches where my opponent scored in the last 2 minutes bringing these games to draws.
Insane! :D
i had a crazy troll result against an equal team yesterday both managers were there and fans were cheering for the opponent because i was the worst team in the league
first of all my opponent got a red card for handball and i missed the penalty but then i got a red card again for spitting and my opponent scored from the free kick
i got a penalty again but this time i scored from the spot
but then my star player got injured
but then i scored from a corner and the opponent scored again
but then they scored again for the hat trick
i lost 3 to 2 even though i had 11 shots on target but the opponent had 7
well the guy who scored a hat trick got a 10 rating
however my striker scored two goals and got a 10 rating also
The game has turned into a farce. The matches are often automated. Your ratings crash even though your opponent isn’t there. It’s all
Done to give the auto predicted scoreline. You cannot influence an auto match. The match report is often wrong, saying your
Opponent was stronger which isn’t true. And so on and so on. It’s all meant to make you buy tokens. I have suddenly lost 11 out of thirteen matches. For no reason. I train, high win bonus and high morale. It make no difference with auto results and you cannot compete and lose.
Your defence ratings are crashed and your strikers ratings stay at six so you cannot score. It is how the results are achieved.
I honestly hadn’t really ever had a troll score of any note until this current season. 4 losses to teams who are anywhere from 25 to 35 percent weaker than me. I’m at 106. I’m beating teams 2-1 who are also 20-30 percent weaker than me. If this game wants you to spend money on your team then why does it do no good when you do? I’ve played numerous friendly matches and worked on tactics and nothing changes. I’ve worked on new training styles. Nothing changes. Tried different formations. Nothing changes. Game is rapidly becoming pointless to play
Fortunately is not a troll result, but this is another demonstration that this game is broken.
This match was against the last in the league, 80% about difference between me and him; it's an abandoned team, look at the rating of the two GK and compared the shoots.
How is it possibile that he had 8 saves and his GK had 6.6 of rating, and my GK had 8 as rating with only one save.
It does not make sense.
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It's the broken stats when the game mechanics create so to force you not getting a super score vs very low q abandoned teams.
The problem is that you can win 5-0 against similar team, and have more difficulties with very lower and abandoned teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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The game is just that: random. If you played against a 50% quality team and you were 115%, you would still probably lose 1 game for 10 you win. In essence, since team levels can be widely disparate, the game cheats by making it so that every opponent can beat your team, regardless of relative quality. This is supposed to make the game more interesting but ultimately, it just makes it tedious. The hallmark of a poor game is when the developers disenfranchise players in order to give the illusion of a challenge. Doing so is insulting to players who are dedicated and the reason people complain so much about trolls.
Unfortunately, Top Eleven doesn't care as long as players purchase products from them. The deceit is that troll result push players to believe that, if only they were slightly stronger, they would have won. Dedication isn't enough, so players have to buy green packs or tokens to get better players if they want to increase their odds of winning.
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No. Last season for example, and not for the first time, I rebuilt my whole team on the first day to about 100%, and all the other teams were abandoned between 35% and 60%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
I won 26 out of 26 and only conceded 1 goal the whole time, never came close to losing a game.
The chances of losing to a team 60% weaker are probably more than 1 in 50 rather than 1 in 10.
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I agree. I also play in a weak League and never lost but some times they can get a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogs67
Not more than once in a season (if you 're watching the games and you are a descent coach).
Yes, I also play with weakest league with my 2nd acc, with a bunch of 20-40% (I'm 80%), last season I had a draw in the league and win all matches in CL even vs stronger opppos. But it seems to be more complicated with my first acc > 120%. I had 4 draws this season with oppos from 80-90% and a lost to a 90% in cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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i remembered that i lost 2-3 to a 50% weaker team even though i had 7 and the opp had three! oh my god!
omg
the thread is under a troll attack.
Be serious guys
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Are those troll results ? Are you serious ?Quote:
Troll 3: 1-1 vs equal team. But we dominated the match.
Troll 4: 1-0 loss in the Cup Quarter Finals.
Troll: 5 2-1 win vs abandoned team. But we dominated that game.
This is a troll result but I don't count it as it's an asso game and as I said in the beginning, asso games/events usually have broken engine and fixed results :o
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Ok maybe they are not. But still, I feel that I have my fair share of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
So you pretty much gamed the system to play abandoned teams that were always 50% of your quality.... Also, you won 26 of the league games, but didn't mention the other competitions. I have won all my league games before as well (without gaming the system like that), only to lose ridiculously in another competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogs67
Incidentally, I just got my troll in the champions league. I am 110% and played against a 97% team. He did not show up to his home game but I was present and have 15% possession advantage. Result: 4-1 defeat, with 3 goals scored against me in less than 20 min. This defense that had let in only 14 goals in 26 games just let in one after the other. This is the first time I have lost to another team by more than 1 goals.
In the 24 losses I have suffered, I would say this one, like 21 others, were from weaker teams and they all felt like I was being cheated. In this situation, it isn't so much the loss that makes me feel cheated, but the goal count.
Quite discouraging. I am about ready to give up on this game. The cheating/broken engine destroys any enjoyment I get .
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i was runner up in CL and semi final of CupQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
And I was only using my last seasons example to show how incorrect your statement " If you played against a 50% quality team and you were 115%, you would still probably lose 1 game for 10 you win" actually was.
It showed, using real-time stats, that you 'probably wouldn't" lose one game in ten against such weak opposition, the odds would be far higher than that.
The two golden rules for this game are 'don't spend any money on it' and 'don't expect to win everything'
Keep to these and the game stays fun
I have to agree with you here but I wouldn’t say it would be 1 in 50 maybe 1 in 40.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogs67
It only happened once in 28 games for me. So that is occurrence of about 3.3 In 100
beat the undefeated top side in the league 7-0....lost the next game 2-1 to the bottom side....this game is fcuked
To take one data point and claim it disproves the conclusion is somewhat ambitious. For the same reason that someone playing 30 games and lost 6 times to 50% weaker teams would prove that the ratio was 20% (I have played some 27 times against a team that is one level below me and it around 60% in order to train my team and have tied 3 times and lost 3, so 6/27 troll results). Regardless of whether it is 1 in 10 or a little more is not very relevant. The point is that the troll results happen too often.Quote:
Originally Posted by gogs67
Saying that one shouldn't expect to win everything is somewhat patronizing because it assumes some people actually believe they will win everything. People invest time and energy in order to achieve results. When the results are stolen from them, then why bother (I have a second team that I rarely watch the games and reaches 85% by the end of the season, yet they have always won the league and reach the quarter finals or semi finals in every competition.)
The issue is about losing games that, other from the broken engine, should have been a victory. Indeed, I just played against a team at 70% quality against my 111% team and suffered again. I beat them 3-2 but our stats were almost the same, except for the possession, where I had 65%.
Problem is that we aren't always playing against teams that are 50% weaker. If you play against 75% and you are 100%, you stats jump. At this point, the lack of consistency is frustrating. You can be favorites for a match (+20%) yet still lose by a large margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
A game where you go into the match saying: "well, does the engine favor me today or will I just lose because it said so" is pretty much a game of randomness. This disenfranchises the player
To answer your earlier question, yes, I won level 2 Champions League. I lost my first cup on lvl one because I was already knocked out when I took control of the team. In fact, the team lost 7 games before I took control of the team. However, to argue my point, since the game is quite random, the trophies have just as much to do with luck as management. I know how you feel. I lost one final 2-1 against a team that was 89 (I was 121%).
