I also note that the number of goals being scored against defensive teams has increased. Usually, I get scored 18-22 goals a season yet I am already at 28 this season.
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I also note that the number of goals being scored against defensive teams has increased. Usually, I get scored 18-22 goals a season yet I am already at 28 this season.
I had a league match with an active manager who was present during the match. He was about 35% weaker than me. I lost this match 2-1. What was strange is that he used a very offensive formation 4 1(MC) 3 (AMRLC) 2 and had a player sent off at 70" but statistics showed a very equal match. Don't know if it was a trolled match or I had a bad luck or I am a bad manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
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Hi everyone. I have seen a lot complaints concerning abnormal, unexpected and 'troll' results. I wanted to post on this subject since a few days, but did not do so, but I have posted today. Let me be clear though: I don’t intend to hurt anyone, neither the users of this game nor the people working or representing Nordeus.
When doing comparisons, do not consider or refer to percentage quality difference shown in this game. Difference in percentage quality of teams in this game is misleading, and clearly is the higher you move up in the levels. Use difference in terms of quality points.
Those what some are referring to as ‘bot teams’ are not bot teams. They are what seem to be abandoned teams (that too, some may not be fully abandoned teams). Bot teams are those teams usually found in the lower league levels (L1-L3), that can be recognisable by their names. In this game, teams can be classified as bot teams, abandoned teams, semi-active teams, active tams but with manager mostly absent from the bench, active teams with manager present, and special bot teams (only one more likely, which is Mourinho FC). Do you notice the order I have listed them? This is the expected order in terms of difficulty someone should expect when playing against. Bot teams play at low level; any decent team with decent formation will beat them. Mourinho FC is a special case; do not compare it with others. Mourinho FC is the sort of team that plays at the highest level or close to highest, where the bot counters your team settings for every simulated bit of the match. That does not mean it can’t be beaten. To compare, it is like you are a playing a video game in legendary mode, but you can still beat the game in this mode.
In real life, there were matches where a team beat the other by mostly sitting back, defend and scoring at the only opportunity they get (usually this is by counter-attack or something resulted from counter-attack, that is a corner or free-kick, or a goal conceded due to mistakes or by chance). The losing team, especially if was a stronger team would be like dominating the match, having the ball most of the time (possession), having many shots, but will still lose or draw. This situation might be more apparent in knock-out matches. If something as such has occurred as simulation in this game, this is not ‘trolling’ as long as the one team actually intended (has decent orders and formation) to play that way. But also, that does mean every weak team would win or draw against stronger team by playing such a way. Let’s just say it can happen a few times in a season.
There is another situation that occurred and occurs in real life football. This is what some say as having a bad day. It is where the team is clearly stronger but still fails to win for reasons like some of their players not at their best, many opportunities missed, and so on, and even the significant decisions of the referee. This is probably the one that should occur randomly but rarely in this game, but probably that has been occurring way too many times as compared to real life. A bad day can occur 1-4 times in a season for a particular team, but that does not mean that same team should be having like 3 or more bad days every season for several seasons. Maybe some tweaking is needed in that area of the game.
Based on the matches I have attended this season, there are indications that abandoned teams are playing at an unexpectedly higher level. Weak abandoned teams seem to be scoring goals where they should not be. It could be that Nordeus made some changes, but they have not told you or did not even revealed after so many complaints, just like they have not revealed the changes and then the fix for flaws related to changes that they made in the game in the past (when they introduced those bonuses, the assistant manager and sent surveys asking users if they feel if there was any effect when they do this or that in the game, and later fixed flaws with those things that were causing anomalous amount of goals conceded). But, it could also be something that was in the game way back, just it a bit more pronounced these days or maybe by chance many are experiencing it more now. Way back (in 2015), I made complaints about my team not performing as it should and so on – as if the results were not satisfying for what I had in my team and what the opponent had, or as if my team was being blocked from performing as it should. Someone also posted recently that he felt he was struggling in some matches despite that he won all the matches. Maybe Nordeus made some tweaks and those tweaks are affecting some active users more due to the way those users usually play the game. Given the amount of abandoned teams in the majority of the levels, it is ok if those teams have a little boost or internal help, else it would be like 1-3 teams league every season, but it should be fair to all the active teams. It is not appropriate if an abandoned team had some boost (other than that from the factors that are present for all matches) when it faced one of the active teams in a league or other competition and then did not have that same boost when it faced the other active teams in that same competition; the boost should be a common one and ever present or completely absent, but not one in a match and then none in the other match.
I saw posts about association matches, where some users noticed that those matches were not like the usual matches, things that I noticed way back and what made me quit my association and contributed to my decision to quit the whole game. From what I noticed during the last weeks in where I played for my association (that was in 2016), I can tell you that it became more or less clear that the matches were fixed; the results were pre-determined. In one match, it was so clear that in some way to say, I was like sitting back eating peanuts on the bench watching the opposing manager making changes, trying hard to win, but there was no way he was going to win there as the result was pre-determined. In some cases, the amount of goals may change, but the final result in terms of losing and winning won’t change. I suspect that during a period, associations could have well been simulated just like friendly matches (and maybe still are), where probably most things seemed to be pre-determined before the start of the match itself.
In the past, me too I felt that the game was like penalising active managers; lots of injuries, strange results, other abnormal things. But why would a company intentionally discourage their loyal users of their game? Maybe many things are just due to unintentional flaws or faults, or maybe some were actually intended; only some people at the company there know what they intended and what not.
Like I said when I was about to quit the game for the second time, the problem in this game is not about winning or losing, but how you win or lose. Nothing is perfect in this world; some things can be accepted but there is a limit. A manager could be working really hard (transfers, training, tactics, attendance and so on), and despite all this and having a team of superior quality than his opponents, he lose important games that cost him 1st place in competitions (usually in the knock-out competitions), while another manager could be doing nothing much and he wins the competition. What is even more unacceptable is when you spend money, especially significant amounts of money for your situation or for an online game like Top Eleven, and despite that and all the hard work that I said earlier, you still lose (not a match, but the trophies themselves) to significantly less hard-working managers. I myself, I lost more in terms of trophies when I was playing very seriously and also putting in significant amounts of money, but I won many trophies when playing on and off and not putting in money. Some undesirable things can happen in a season, but when it becomes too common, for example say every season or every two seasons, then it is wrong.
When someone is winning a lot because of his hard work, his tactics and so on, it is ok. When a weak team beats a stronger team by tactics or a combination of tactics and chance, it is ok. When a strong team had a bad day once in a season or two, it is ok. But when a team has not been winning a decent amount of matches a season due to random effects (what some refer to as roll of dices), this is not ok, but can be accepted if that happens rarely, that is once every 10 seasons. When someone is being knocked-out or lose finals in the Champions League, Cup or Nivea League every season by inferior teams and managers due to the randomness in the game, despite putting lots of effort every season, this is unfair. It is good to have some randomness in this game, but when the effect is too pronounced or some undesirable things are occurring way too frequently, this is not acceptable.
I understand those users that are playing this game very seriously, like spending so much time, making so much effort and in some cases spending decent amounts of money, only to have failures or unfair results due to ‘****ty’ or inappropriate things programmed in the game. I quit this game so many times for several reasons, but there are many common reasons. The way this game works, you can’t really play it with that seriousness. Later, I came back to play for a short time like a season or two, like I did earlier this year (2017) and then now, but not with that same level of seriousness. Now, in some way to say, I take many things like they come. Many of the negatives in this game don’t affect me that much as before because I no longer put in so much effort, time and money in it as I was before. So, maybe some of you that are playing this game very seriously should drop the level of seriousness in it. If the game becomes a pain, then better take a break from it or even quit it.
@Tacticain, I agree with all your points here.
Played against a team 3% stronger than me and won 3-0. Played the same team 2 days later, he had received a red in the first match so I was 3% stronger and I lost 3-2. Same tactics, same players. Game is random. Assistant says: "It just wasn't meant to be". Same old nonsense.
Take away: You victories mean nothing, except that you got lucky at the right time or paid to win (i.e. bought token players that allow you to be significantly stronger than the opposition).
Thanks McClean for summing up the game breaking issue Top Eleven currently has. Randomness can add spice, but add too much and anything you accomplish becomes meaningless. When you said "I myself, I lost more in terms of trophies when I was playing very seriously and also putting in significant amounts of money, but I won many trophies when playing on and off and not putting in money.", I think the reason for this is that when you restart, your team is rubbish and the new players you buy are significantly stronger than the competition. In the team I casually manage, I have never encountered a team above 86%, in large part because at the start of the season, this team is usually somewhere in the 50% quality.
Hate it they knocked me out in the Quarter Finals of the Champions league and we were all over that team again. I know they were 4% weaker but it is still a troll. I have out enoug hard work in only to dominate each game and miss every chance in the past few minutes of the game. We were through on goal and can you guess what he did? He passes it back to the player behind him. Disgraceful. I have the league and cup to fight for but I feel I will lose them too! Ps game is a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
The key is to not even bother with your team except once at the start of the season. I have a second team, which is Lvl 8. I have won 4 leagues, 2 cups and 1 champions league. The stats aren't even close to yours, Lucian's or my main team, but the team wins trophies despite not doing anything. Team benefits: 0%.
Player preparation 0$. I don't even train them. Despite all of this, I am still in the champions league with that team.
Game is a disgrace.
Well, the long post about the problems with the game was originally posted by Tactician. But I brought it up to this page just to say about how true it was but the part about my cup finals and CL Finals. I was thankfully never spent money on the game. I wouldn’t recommend doing it. Well really it is up to the player but I don’t do it. This post was just to clear things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
i recently faced same opponent in cup and ch league. me - 112%, him - 113%. i beat him easily in cup 7-0 and 5-2 and lost in ch league 3-2 and 1-1. ultimate proof that this game is totally random, programming results totally random and balancing somehow trophies each team wins. that's pure nonsene and no more reasons to keep playing this game.
Almost the same thing happening. First played a league game against opponent 20 % weaker than me - lost 3:0 away. Then met same opponent in the Cup - changed formation and tactics and won 4:0 and 3:1. Then played in the league again with this opponent and I used same tactics and players just like in the Cup games. He always uses same formation. Guess what? Lost second league game also - 0:2 at home. Trolling at its best.Quote:
Originally Posted by funker
played the bottom team again (i am now top) drew 2-2 ...stupid results....Quote:
Originally Posted by pleasures
The game has fallen into laughable territory. Just got my 4th troll of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by pleasures
115% (me) vs 83% (opponent)
I played 4-5-1 counter like I did in the first game and beat opponent.
Opponent played 4-2-3-1 like they did in the first game.
I lost 2-0.
This game is a scam. I don't like being trolled and I don't like trolling the opposition.
Couldn't Nordeus just build a good game without having to troll in order to make it worthwhile?
Just a post of my second team where I haven't done anything since the start of the season (I bought new players on day 1, mostly 4 star players for 1 token each):
Wins 32
Draws 1
Losses 2
Goals Scored: 121
Goal Taken: 18
I would post a picture but the website won't let me upload for some reason.
This just shows how time spent on this game is completely wasted.
My 2nd team is similar to yours. I play a fixed formation (433w) and tactic (def+counter):Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
Wins: 39
Draws: 1
Losses: 1
Goal scores: 181
Goal Again: 11
Trolls are very rare with this team. My ST scores 60 goals. But it's different story or scenario when you play with mostly inactive teams. I only encountered 3 or 4 actives players this season.
In resume, you can win all the trophies with a minimal effort but It's not fun playing with inactive players.
It isn't fun to be trolled either.... so what is the solution?
I drop quality so playing vs low q inactive teams and few active in Cup and CL.Quote:
but It's not fun playing with inactive players.
Still the game has challenges as you 're actually playing vs Top Eleven A.I. and not vs real players.
In CL semi-finals today, playing vs teams -25% quality, not present managers
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and in the League
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but I won, not a troll result.
If you cannot win a team that still using the primary emblem and jersey, it's a troll :rolleyes:
If it's happening more than 2 games in a season, that's a problem.
Simple
Personally, I am just sick an tired of having to worry about being defeated by every opponent. Strong teams might defeat me because they are equal to my level and luck might not be on my side. Weak teams might beat me because the engine decides to make me lose. Mind you, when I say worry, I don't mean, they might use better tactics or be a little lucky in the game. I mean worry that my team will just underperform because the game decided it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Just finished a CL semi against a team 10% weaker than me. Although I wouldn't call it a full troll, I dominated, shot 3 times more on goal and yet, he managed to score 2 goals on my field despite only having 3 shots. Both shots came out of nowhere.... which is surprising since I was pressing. I guess the game just decided that it didn't matter if I was pressing or not. The game wanted the opponent to score so who cares about how the match was playing out.
I am playing second today who is 10% weaker. I can’t watch the game because I will be at school. So basically he doesn’t attend any matches. And I attend 90-95% of my matches. Does that reduce the chance of a troll result? Because if we win, we pretty much win the league. If we lose we fall to second.
This is the most crucial game of the season.
Also he hasn’t substituted a red carded player. So if he forgets to sub him do I get an automatic 0-3 win? Or does the game engine automatically substitute a player with the same position as the red carded one? I have my starting 11 all ready and motivated, I read his formation and adjusted my tactics to counter it.
(All time Top Eleven Record)
Played 743 Won 619 Drew 55 Lost 69.
PPG 2.58.
Goals Scored: 2458
Goals Conceded: 404
Trophies: 13
League Winners: 8x Runner Up 8x
Champions League Winners: 0x Runner Up: 3x
Super League Winner: 2x
Cup Winner: 3x Runner Up: 2x
Super Cup Winner: 0x
I's really hard decision if you play hard legues you get amazing competition but you also get tankers, on lower leagues less competition hard choice...
yes, there are two things above all this endless conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUNO FC
What kind of game you believe is TE ? Most of the people who are moaning, it seems that they believe they 're playing something else than it is.
It's a managerial game inspired from football. It's not a football simulation game ffs
The other thing is what kind of game you like to play ? Playing hard-core, spending many hours or money ? Going for trophies ? Playing for the challenge ? for fun ? it's just a daily habbit you 're keep doing (my case :p ) ?
Then act according to this.
Shhhhhh, that's too much sense!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
We won.
too much for many peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by gogs67
lol
You are right. It is hilarious that so many people were misled and are frustrated about it. To think that people thought it was a game where skills mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Imagine all those people who have spent months/years playing a game and are proud of their trophies despite a neglected team winning 80% of the trophies. The fools those people must be to have wasted their time in that way. :-)
Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Thank yo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucian1986
We have our cup final on later. He is 3.5% weaker than me but he has 2 red cards for the game which means he will have to play one player out of position. I hope we win. As soon as the game is over, I will update my trophy status. So far it is 13 and it could be 14 today. Also I have said this before but. If I win the cup final today. It will be back to back successes.
As for the League We are 5 points clear now.
We won 1-2 against the 2nd place. We were 0-2 up and they scored in the 75th minute to make it interesting but we hung on for the win.
This Table Now
1st: Me Played 22 Won 20 Drew 1 Lost 1. Scored: 90 Conceded: 7. Points: 61
2nd: ¿Udinese FC? Played 22 Won 18 Drew 2 Lost 2. Goals Scored: 102 Conceded: 13. Points: 56
3rd: WTX Wright Played 22 Won 17 Drew 4 Lost 1. Scored: 82 Conceded: 10. Points 55
Yeah we still have to Play WTX Wright but we are 15% stronger than them. They are the only team in the league to beat me.
Played 744 Won 620 Drew 55 Lost 69.
PPG 2.58.
Goals Scored: 2460
Goals Conceded: 405
Trophies: 13
League Winners: 8x Runner Up 8x
Champions League Winners: 0x Runner Up: 3x
Super League Winner: 2x
Cup Winner: 3x Runner Up: 2x
Super Cup Winner: 0x
so no troll for you.
Same with me, won the two cups with my active teams this season.
Yeah correct.
We won the cup final back to back. We were playing against a slightly weaker team. Both managers attended. We took the lead from the corner on the 41st minute. Then they equalised in the 48th from a corner as well. In the 80th minute my top scorer and most reliable player won it. Hard luck to the other manager. That was his first Cup Final and this was our sixth final. And we have now won it 4 times.
(Top Eleven All time Record)
Played 745 Won 621 Drew 55 Lost 69.
PPG 2.58.
Goals Scored: 2462
Goals Conceded: 406
Trophies: 14
League Winners: 8x Runner Up 8x
Champions League Winners: 0x Runner Up: 3x
Super League Winner: 2x
Cup Winner: 4x Runner Up: 2x
Super Cup Winner: 0x
We won 3-0 today. Their keeper was favoured making eight saves. Our best player got injured in the 16th minute sis pretty dull game. I am disappointed overall because our top scorer who got injured is now only 2 goals ahead of 2nd place and only 4 ahead of third. Our goal difference is rising slowly. We still have a lower goal difference. Than second and only 8 higher than third’s while 2 games ago it was 16 higher. So damn it.
Not a troll but I see myself losing top scorer, my player will not get a 30% finishing attribute and I will have to sadly sell him next season.
Well this is great, I found out that the team I was playing against in the CL Quarter Final that trolled me twice is now in the final. He is playing a weaker team because both of the tournament favourites got knocked out in the semis. It is so annoying to know that had I only scored 1 goal. And didn’t concede one in the Quarterfinals I would win a Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
We are gonna lose vs third place. Their keeper made 4 saves. And the 2 idiots below me won 8-0 and 5-0. And I am agin stuck in 3-0. Now I only have a +3 better goal difference on 3 rd and I am nine behind 2nd.
We drew 1-1 vs 15% weaker team. We could not beat them once. They were the only team to beat me. 98% teams should not be drawing-dropping points to 82% teams. But to be fair the team was being managed. Still I am not happy with a draw because even though they are managed. We should still beat them. Still a bit underwhelming
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Won the CL 2-1 against a team 22% weaker even though I got a red and a penalty whistled against me in the first min of the game.
Congrats on winning the league.
Here is proof for my league and cup doubles. Oh yeah, I sent you last season’s cup win to show I won 2 in a row. I also may have only 38 wins out of 46. But I have won extra because when a team does not have substantial players on the pitch. They give you a 3-0 win but in the club history it comes up as a draw. This is my club history with my new club. I played 748 games because I played this game on 3 different accounts. Over my entire career. One of them lasted 446 games. Well done on winning the CL. I would hate to get a red card in a final. Last season’s CL Final loss is put up there because it was lost to a 10% weaker team despite our team dominating the game. Byun Sik Shin is my top scorer I have ever had. I was planning to sell him but he had 3 positions so I switched him to AMR and scored 96 goals and multiple assists in 87 games in the Amr position. He started off in the AMC position.
Played 748 Won 624 Drew 55 Lost 69.
PPG 2.58.
Goals Scored: 2469
Goals Conceded: 407
Trophies: 14
League Winners: 8x Runner Up 8x
Champions League Winners: 0x Runner Up: 3x
Super League Winner: 2x
Cup Winner: 4x Runner Up: 2x
Super Cup Winner: 0x
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This is the league this season.
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Played 748 Won 624 Drew 55 Lost 69.
PPG 2.58.
Goals Scored: 2469
Goals Conceded: 407
Trophies: 14
League Winners: 8x Runner Up 8x
Champions League Winners: 0x Runner Up: 3x
Super League Winner: 2x
Cup Winner: 4x Runner Up: 2x
Super Cup Winner: 0x
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ok congrats
but from next season open a thread in the Team showcase for your team
because you went out of topic.
Alright, Fair EnoughQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
NIK had two "fixed" results this season (weaker teams, -25%, not present managers) and another draw because of a 3-0 auto game
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my other (currently active) team had a perfect season.
I don't pay too much attention to this as my main team NIK but it's in low LV9.
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2 easy League games left and the 2 Super cup finals.
